Isn't the PS4 gpu directly comparable to a r7 265 though?
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Watch_Dogs PC Performance Thread
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Isn't the PS4 gpu directly comparable to a r7 265 though?
This game is a stuttering pile of mess - both in 4K and 4K Surround.
With everything maxed out, including HBAO+ High, I get around 25 FPS in 4K Surround.
With the same settings in 4K, I get around 40 FPS w/ a LOT of stuttering.
It is almost unplayable.
This is w/ a 3970X @ 4.8Ghz and 4x GTX-Titan Black SCs @ 1215Mhz.
Nice specs. What about 1080p?
Have you updated to the latest nVidia drivers which have the Watch_Dogs SLI profiles? Try High textures.
Kind of, but people are saying the stuttering is because all the games memory is in the GDDR5 on the consoles, whereas on PC its not unified, its on DDR3 and GDDR5.
Betta Lines
Member
Only if you took it out of a PS4, and put it in a PC, where it would not be able to benefit from the unified memory, and would be more limited by all that lovely PC stuff relating to the OS, drivers, and infinite combinations of hardware that the consoles don't have to deal with.
But to answer your original question, it appears to be 'no'. There are people complaining of stutters on high-end PCs at lower settings than the PS4 version, so while in theory a mid-range GPU might be able to run Watch Dogs on high at 1080p, most users appear to be getting performance problems. The PS4 version is stable and a decent effort considering the problems that are occurring on PC.
The English Conquistador
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Ah and that glorious review from Angry Joe..let's rewatch that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_QK-lcW8a8
Dries
Member
Had this too. For me it only starts when uplay is in offline mode. Tried that yet?
cripterion
Member
It's one of his best reviews, I rewatched it not long ago, his roasting of the game was just epic.
The English Conquistador
Member
Yeah dude! I just tried that! Absolutely baffled at the moment.
This was posted on the Steam thread. I had to pause it so I don't break my ribs.
WDs: So swag, So kool, So hax
First thing to do is to completely restart your system if you haven't already. I know a lot of people know this already but it works wonders in terms of how often it fixes random start up bugs.
Don't mean to troll, but I say GTA IV ENB is WAY better than this game.
With everything on Ultra etc., this POS still gets around 40 FPS AND stuttering out the wazoo w/ 4x GTX-Titan Black SC.
I can play GTA IV on 4K Surround (6480x3840) w/ ENB (max settings) and get around 30 FPS.
GTA IV ENB @ 4K Surround:
With everything on Ultra etc., this POS still gets around 40 FPS AND stuttering out the wazoo w/ 4x GTX-Titan Black SC.
I can play GTA IV on 4K Surround (6480x3840) w/ ENB (max settings) and get around 30 FPS.
GTA IV ENB @ 4K Surround:
Don't mean to troll, but I say GTA IV ENB is WAY better than this game.
With everything on Ultra etc., this POS still gets around 40 FPS AND stuttering out the wazoo w/ 4x GTX-Titan Black SC.
I can play GTA IV on 4K Surround (6480x3840) w/ ENB (max settings) and get around 30 FPS.
GTA IV ENB @ 4K Surround:
Perhaps but there are other things that graphics.
GTA IV doesn't let you slow down time while driving, flip open a baracade behind you, open a garage door in front of you, and speed out the other end unnoticed. It also has absolutely shit gunplay and on foot mechanics.
GTA IV does have funnier satire though.
My honest opinion, i rather play GTA V on my launch 360 with is super loud DVD drive, fans and at a juddery 30fps than play Watch_Dogs. Its just way more fun, i can spend ages just driving around doing silly things marvelling at all the little details that Rockstar put in.
I won't disagree that the writing is better in GTA. But I think it's worth giving Watch Dogs at least a handful of hours before passing judgement. Once I did about a half a dozen campaign missions and started opening up the skill trees it became a lot more fun.
I also like that they actually REWARD you for things like evading the cops. You get huge EXP bonuses towards skill upgrades. In GTA evading the cops while you were trying to do something else was always just a hassle. I usually ended up just killing myself on purpose or restarting the mission because it was no fun.
I'm sure that would be to do with stuttering right? I'm doing that in Watch Dogs and I'm impressed with the little details.
Yeah I don't think it is up to GTA quality but that's also a bit unfair since this is literally their first stab at that type of a game. But that doesn't change the fact that they got a lot of the little details right and in my opinion the basic driving/gunplay is balanced to be a lot more fun than in GTA. It's just rough around the edges sometimes (especially some of the stupid artibrary stealth missions like the prison infiltration mission), but GTA was guilty of that as well.
I still prefer the world of Sleeping Dogs more than the others but i kind of wish I could have these toys in that game world.
Dries
Member
I know! I haven't been able to start the game while connected to uplay at all!
Fried Food
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This morning the game started stuttering after half hour of play ..
The English Conquistador
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Watch_Dogs is a game of extremes. At some moments it just looks great and at other moments the graphics aren't impressive at all. At some moments you're doing cool stuff and everything goes smooth but at other moments it's bugs all over the place. Flying cars, flying people, guns that can't be holstered. It's like the scale of the project was too big for Ubi to handle. I feel like they will deliver a much better experience if a new game in this franchise only comes to current gen and PC. They should be able to optimize things better and master the new hardware better too.
Anyways, I'm running this on an MSI GE40 gaming laptop. The specs are okay but far from impressive for demanding games: i7 4702MQ, GTX760M and 8GBs of memory. But I do like how the game runs on it, locked to 30 FPS that is. Some settings on medium, textures on high and shader on low. AA on FXAA and then it can look like this:
I'm really impressed by how it looks. I guess it's somewhere just below PS4 quality but I'll take it
Anyways, I'm running this on an MSI GE40 gaming laptop. The specs are okay but far from impressive for demanding games: i7 4702MQ, GTX760M and 8GBs of memory. But I do like how the game runs on it, locked to 30 FPS that is. Some settings on medium, textures on high and shader on low. AA on FXAA and then it can look like this:
I'm really impressed by how it looks. I guess it's somewhere just below PS4 quality but I'll take it
I turned it on Offline mode for the entire day on Thursday and played online but yesterday I was able to play online just fine.
I'm getting ready to boot it up again and if I can't play online I'm going to be fucking pissed because I assume that means I lose all my online bonuses due to that stupid decision to wipe it everytime you go in Offline mode.
Now that is inexcusable garbage: i get penalized and lose progress in the game because Ubisoft's online infrastructure is too shitty to allow me to play.
The only setting causing people problems above PS4 setting is the texture quality, and that seems to be messing up everyone's configuration regardless of amount of VRAM or hardware capability. The issue is on Ubisoft's end there, otherwise an R7 265 has demonstrated no difficulty with 1920x1080 and 30 FPS on this game with comparable-to-PS4 settings. You're under the assumption console GPUs are much more efficiently run than PC GPUs. It's not true. A case can be made for CPUs and draw calls, maybe the unified memory structure (more a cost-saving measure, really), but modern graphics APIs, as I've described before, are very efficient and no, the PS4's GPU is not demonstrating any such efficiency advantage. If anything, it's the other way around (perhaps due to unforeseen limitations within the hardware and how it's been modified, problematic development tools, the PS4's own drivers, or maybe just straight-up limitations from the PS4's Jaguar CPU). No R7 265 owner would have to resign themselves to 1600x900, nor the lack of anisotropic filtering. Nor do consoles have to deal with the lighting, AA, shadowing, and level of detail effects PC gamers demand of their games.
We've seen nothing to promote this myth of console GPUs outperforming their PC equivalents, the only issue with Watch Dogs appears to be a texture-streaming problem with the engine itself that is only a problem largely for Ubisoft and their refusal to acknowledge the manner in which contemporary PC hardware functions. Like AC IV's bizarre lack of multithreading support, the issue is not with the hardware, it's with the company trying to displace blame just because they would have to put in some effort into a version that is not running on the same, exact hardware configuration as the consoles. The stutters are caused by the texture-streaming solution, nothing else. R7 265 general performance holds up very well in comparison to the PS4 performance, in plenty of cases it is arguably even favorable. Ubisoft is not the metric by which one should be judging anything, they have an unashamed history of terrible PC versions no other company does and the problems are always, always tied back to programming issues (that are relieved by patches) rather than hardware inadequacy.
GHG
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Don't mean to troll, but I say GTA IV ENB is WAY better than this game.
With everything on Ultra etc., this POS still gets around 40 FPS AND stuttering out the wazoo w/ 4x GTX-Titan Black SC.
I can play GTA IV on 4K Surround (6480x3840) w/ ENB (max settings) and get around 30 FPS.
GTA IV ENB @ 4K Surround:
Don't mean to troll but then thats exactly what you end up doing... And then you go and post the shittest washed out bloomtastic GTA IV ENB shot. Tasteless.
Honestly, this thread is meant to be about Watch Dogs and finding ways to solve the stuttering so that people can actually enjoy the game on their PC's. If people want to talk about how great and amazing (or boring and soulless) GTA IV is then there are plenty of other threads that you can do that in (e.g. the GTA IV threads...) .
On the subject of watch dogs... I did some further testing and it seems that locking the framerate in Afterburner and even just using the OSD in afterburner introduces more stuttering than when I use Nvidia Inspector to lock the framerate. Strangely enough, locking the game to 40fps in Inspector has also given me a smoother experience over locking it to 30fps.
Also I changed the DeferredFxQuality="console" setting in the ini to "pc" and it seems to have increased the amount of rubbish/debris that there is floating around but not much else.
Wag
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Did I also mention how bad driving is with the XBOX controller? It's all over the place. Plus the fact there's no way to adjust the sensitivity of the controller in the settings makes it worse.
It's really hard for me to believe the PC version had serious QA before it went gold. If it did it appears they really just didn't care.
It's really hard for me to believe the PC version had serious QA before it went gold. If it did it appears they really just didn't care.
Robert7lee
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With those settings my frame rate will drop to the 40s or below whilst driving.
Difference is I have titan default, i7 4770k @4.2 ghz standard cooler, 32gb ram, sata hard drive
Try disabling the Uplay in-game display via the Uplay settings and then try again.
maneil99
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Don't mean to troll, but I say GTA IV ENB is WAY better than this game.
With everything on Ultra etc., this POS still gets around 40 FPS AND stuttering out the wazoo w/ 4x GTX-Titan Black SC.
I can play GTA IV on 4K Surround (6480x3840) w/ ENB (max settings) and get around 30 FPS.
GTA IV ENB @ 4K Surround:
That looks absolutely awful....
Denton
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This post makes no sense to me. I have been playing for some 15 hours already, all with x360pad on PC, and had zero issues. Driving is perfectly fine for me. The only problem I have driving-wise, is that I wish the incar cockpit view gave greater freedom in looking around. That is literally the only issue for me.
Yeah, I usually drive with the view where you can't see the inside of the car. But I sometimes feel limited in my sight. When the police are pushing me off the road I don't even see them, I just feel it it happening
I do find it a lot less stressfull driving like that. If I don't see them coming I drive better. It's all in my head, I know.
Dries
Member
But how will the managers at Ubisoft get their vacation on the Bahama's then?
panthapanda
Member
Anyone ran into a hug where you can't access the cameras for hacking? Mine will just go into the camera and back right out. Can't progress through the game because of it lol.
Dries
Member
Well, I also just now found something else. Whenever I have DxTory on and attempt to start the game it also won't start. I have to first start the game and then ctrl-tab back and start dxtory.
Had this issue as well, do you have a controler plugged in?
Shadowplay gives me a rough performance hit which is too bad. Besides Textures, what is best to turn down for boosting FPS first?
I could also use some tips on the settings to use in the webm Batch file from any pros
http://a.pomf.se/tgbmpn.webm
http://a.pomf.se/dgjwqj.webm
I could also use some tips on the settings to use in the webm Batch file from any pros
http://a.pomf.se/tgbmpn.webm
http://a.pomf.se/dgjwqj.webm
Dries
Member
What the flying fuck.. At once, dxtory doesn't detect watch dogs anymore when it's running. This afternoon it worked perfectly and now this. I can't believe this shit.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Does Gsync help with the stutter?
Acupunctur3
Member
Only if you are running an AMD card.
maneil99
Member
Gsync is Nvidia only
oneils
Member
Found this video on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLi6YKXsduA
shows the difference in performance between high and medium settings. The 460 used here has 1gb vram though (instead of 768).
Seems like a decent experience.
Why no sound on your webms?
I encourage everyone to play the sound for mine. Adds to the video like quality of webms.
Denton
Member
My man. I spent 12 hours playing this today. I am constantly amazed how real the world feels. The lightning - it is more real feeling than anything I have seen in games so far, even during daylight, especially in downtown. In those 12 hours, I did 2 (two!) story missions. There is so much great content. I love even the fucking collectibles, which I HATED in AC4. This game is in fact so much better than ANY AC game it is not even funny.
Check this one of mine:
http://www.gamersyde.com/thqstream_watch_dogs_pc_gameplay_ultra_spec-GnQlbDKKL310Qxyj_en.html
It does somewhat. With G-Sync on I don't get stutters. I get drops in FPS and then surges. It's more like hitches then stutters since it doesn't repeat frames or have stalls while it waits for the next refresh cycle.
The Janitor
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I didn't know Gsync was released
ah I figured for size purposes...
If I may, what do you use to record the videos and what settings do you use for the webms?
ShadowPlay can't record Borderless Windowed at all, and it like Fullscreen is really not ideal :[
M_A_C
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lol dude on the top left.