We all die.
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speculawyer
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Remember what it was like before you were born? It will be just like that.
Chopper Dave
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speculawyer said:
Cramped and sticky?
Atramental
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But you don't have any recollection of being in your mother's womb... or do you?Chopper Dave said:
Poohblaster
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Not to wax all serious or anything but life in itself is quite remarkable.
Everything we know about in the Universe is progressing from an organized state to a less organized state, stars, planets, even your light bulb is burning away energy and becoming more chaotic. Then a billion years ago perhaps by random chance the earliest forms of life temporarily reversed this process of entropy and went in the opposite direction. Life has become increasingly more complex and more organized and that seems to fly in the face of other natural phenomena around us.
Everything we know about in the Universe is progressing from an organized state to a less organized state, stars, planets, even your light bulb is burning away energy and becoming more chaotic. Then a billion years ago perhaps by random chance the earliest forms of life temporarily reversed this process of entropy and went in the opposite direction. Life has become increasingly more complex and more organized and that seems to fly in the face of other natural phenomena around us.
Tim the Wiz
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Thanks for stating the obvious.
Sounds like bullshit to me.
Future said:
Sounds like bullshit to me.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
first post wins again! such a great scene.SonicMegaDrive said:"When?"
paranoidfortean
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I often wonder about people having their brains/bodies frozen. The whole concept made me realize I think(or am programmed to think) that there is a soul. Or the whole brain transferred into a hard drive idea.
Yeah, its gonna happen someday. I just don't think about it. Like what others have said so far, I just hope its not slow and painful. I have always thought that if I live to a ripe old age, then I'm sure that by the time death takes me, I will be ready for the long peaceful slumber.
hulkamania-owns-you
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I wish that once we hit adulthood, we were issued a single death pill that was painless and worked in a few seconds.
That would help set my mind at ease. Imagine if you were going to drown or die in a fire and could not escape a painfull death or even if you were being ass raped raw. Would be nice to have control on those last seconds.
That would help set my mind at ease. Imagine if you were going to drown or die in a fire and could not escape a painfull death or even if you were being ass raped raw. Would be nice to have control on those last seconds.
hukasmokincaterpillar
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Henri Fabre was a dick, non?
Poohblaster said:
Yeah that turns my head inside out.
Schrodinger pithy- "Life feeds on negative entropy."
Maybe Asimov had it right. Not a noun but a verb, pulling toward Universal-consciousness and ending entropy for the trillionth fucking time. Primates aren't the most likely vessel but stranger things almost have to happen.
Siebzehn50
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You're born
You live
You die
You live
You die
Fallout-NL
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Think about it pretty often and I'd rather live forever if given the option.
I tend to trust in Kurzweil.
I tend to trust in Kurzweil.
i think quite often about this topic. life is capricious. one moment you post something on gaf - a few seconds later you are already dead because of some crazy reaction inside your body. and what happens next? no one knows. and i don't even want to know :S
we're living our lifes, fucking around, playing videogames and in the end no one will care. unless you did something memorable. and i hope i can achieve something like this (of course in a good way
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we're living our lifes, fucking around, playing videogames and in the end no one will care. unless you did something memorable. and i hope i can achieve something like this (of course in a good way
)"No one recovers from the disease of being born, a deadly wound if there ever was one."
"Better to be an animal than a man, an insect than an animal, a plant than an insect, and so on. Salvation? Whatever diminishes the kingdom of consciousness and compromises its supremacy."
It's all a matter of consciusness: death is a liberation, but there is no cure for being born.
even our dear keats tell us:
Save me from curious Conscience, that still lords / Its strength for darkness, burrowing like a mole
"Better to be an animal than a man, an insect than an animal, a plant than an insect, and so on. Salvation? Whatever diminishes the kingdom of consciousness and compromises its supremacy."
It's all a matter of consciusness: death is a liberation, but there is no cure for being born.
even our dear keats tell us:
Save me from curious Conscience, that still lords / Its strength for darkness, burrowing like a mole
Tayo said:
I like you. I think about life as an animal/insect/plant often and the burden we put on ourselves as humans a lot.
Sorry if this was mentioned earlier in the thread, but now that we are much more connected with people across the globe, and are known as anonymous tags, it's odd to think of dying and knowing that the people you've met on the interwebs would have no clue.
Somewhat depressing if you spend a lot of time on the internet. :lol
J Tourettes
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Napoleonthechimp
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"Even death is not to be feared by one who has lived wisely." - Buddha
Maybe I'll leave a special request to have the NEOGAF logo emblazoned on my casket, that would be a first.
Anyways, if or when I do die, I hope it's to a large animal that's above me on the food chain, like a Mountain Lion or a Black Bear. I don't want to die of old age or from cigarettes, I want to die of being food to a sweet animal.
Anyways, if or when I do die, I hope it's to a large animal that's above me on the food chain, like a Mountain Lion or a Black Bear. I don't want to die of old age or from cigarettes, I want to die of being food to a sweet animal.
Napoleonthechimp
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But then that animal is going to be killed which would confirm human beings as being on top of the food chain.Snuggler said:
Government-man
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This thread is deep... but not deep enough. A lot of replies here seems to give a very simple answer which because of it simplicity many seem to take as truth. "It will be just like before you were born" is a very popular statement, as if it is the solution. A very overrated viewpoint. It blows my mind that other peoples minds have been blown away by that, as if the thought never came to them before. I don't know about you but I cant remember what happened before my birth. In fact I can't even remember what happened to me the first two-three years of my life :lol. But that doesn't mean I didn't exist then. People here seem to believe that when you sleep there is nothing; this is not the case - you always have dreams of some sorts, even if they, in deep sleep, are of a very abstract kind and never remembered. That doesn't mean I didn't experience it.
The cynical view of humans as machines is a depressing effect of the secular society. I for one would never want to "upload" my brain into a computer, for several reasons. I personally believe that a machine never will be able to emulate human consciousness, but perhaps your memories could sometimes be stored in some sort of digital way.
No one can tell you what happens when you die. Many people seem to come with the easy answer that there simply is nothing. But what does that mean? Take a second and take a few steps back and think about what you know about the world we live in. As I discussed in the thread about the radiation oncologist, human consciousness is hopelessly limited in terms of being aware of what surrounds us. Why does the universe exist? Why are you alive to think about your own existence? Some seems to think that when you embrace the empirically proven things about reality you no longer need to think further. But there is something more to this world, and there is a possibility that you are only a bi-effect of it, or maybe you aren't. But in either case there must be some sort of "higher" meaning to the universe existing. It is possible that our consciousness only is a chemical construct of our brain. But even so, perhaps there is something more that to that chemical construct - you just aren't aware of it yet.
The cynical view of humans as machines is a depressing effect of the secular society. I for one would never want to "upload" my brain into a computer, for several reasons. I personally believe that a machine never will be able to emulate human consciousness, but perhaps your memories could sometimes be stored in some sort of digital way.
No one can tell you what happens when you die. Many people seem to come with the easy answer that there simply is nothing. But what does that mean? Take a second and take a few steps back and think about what you know about the world we live in. As I discussed in the thread about the radiation oncologist, human consciousness is hopelessly limited in terms of being aware of what surrounds us. Why does the universe exist? Why are you alive to think about your own existence? Some seems to think that when you embrace the empirically proven things about reality you no longer need to think further. But there is something more to this world, and there is a possibility that you are only a bi-effect of it, or maybe you aren't. But in either case there must be some sort of "higher" meaning to the universe existing. It is possible that our consciousness only is a chemical construct of our brain. But even so, perhaps there is something more that to that chemical construct - you just aren't aware of it yet.
There are questions that I find related to death that I thought a lot about when I was in uni and find it scarier to think of. What was I doing before my current existance? Who was I before my present existance? Is my current existance a reward or penalty for what I did in my previous being. Why am I in this body when I feel like I am somehow linked to everyone and everything around me.
Although I was in uni then, I'm pretty sure I was not on drugs when these thoughts came about :lol
Although I was in uni then, I'm pretty sure I was not on drugs when these thoughts came about :lol
Monocle
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When I deeply ponder death, it almost gives me vertigo. The thought of ceasing to exist is shattering, horrifying. I'm hoping technology will save my ass, but I'm not betting on it.
I've often thought about mortality since I shook off the religion of my childhood in my teens. It's a key part of my motivation to live my life to the fullest. The truth is, although I was a fairly happy child with a decent life, I rarely appreciated my existence until I became an atheist, because I labored under the fatuous assumptions that a) God would protect me from harm, and b) dying was no big deal because I had an immortal soul that would forever preserve my identity. I'm grateful every dayquite literally every daythat I managed to discard that dangerous, poisonous naivety, because my life has been immeasurably better ever since.
I have very little respect for people who don't appreciate their lives. If you have a debilitating physical or psychological condition, or you're a POW, or you're a child in a third-world country who is trapped in appalling circumstances beyond your control, then very well. But if you have the good fortune to enjoy a range of personal freedoms, and have the ability to get an education or to educate yourself, more than likely you have no excuse whatsoever for being ungrateful for the immense privilege of life.
On a related note, science is a potent tonic for the jaded mind. I recommend Unweaving the Rainbow in most threads about death, and now I'm doing it again. Read it and discover or replenish your wonder for life.
I've often thought about mortality since I shook off the religion of my childhood in my teens. It's a key part of my motivation to live my life to the fullest. The truth is, although I was a fairly happy child with a decent life, I rarely appreciated my existence until I became an atheist, because I labored under the fatuous assumptions that a) God would protect me from harm, and b) dying was no big deal because I had an immortal soul that would forever preserve my identity. I'm grateful every dayquite literally every daythat I managed to discard that dangerous, poisonous naivety, because my life has been immeasurably better ever since.
I have very little respect for people who don't appreciate their lives. If you have a debilitating physical or psychological condition, or you're a POW, or you're a child in a third-world country who is trapped in appalling circumstances beyond your control, then very well. But if you have the good fortune to enjoy a range of personal freedoms, and have the ability to get an education or to educate yourself, more than likely you have no excuse whatsoever for being ungrateful for the immense privilege of life.
On a related note, science is a potent tonic for the jaded mind. I recommend Unweaving the Rainbow in most threads about death, and now I'm doing it again. Read it and discover or replenish your wonder for life.
Android18a
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Can we get some spoiler tags here? I don't want to know the ending.
See? Have a little heart for those of us who want it to be a surprise.
Everyone dies
See? Have a little heart for those of us who want it to be a surprise.
Government-man
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Fonds said:Do we all die?
hukasmokincaterpillar
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Government-man said:
Never is an awfully big time scape. I think your skepticism is unfounded. Neural network prototypes are already pretty sophisticated. Why can't the brain and its relationship to consciousness be emulated? Its an electro-colloidal computer, 'organically' processing information. Science will eventually gain the means to read every signal and map every neuron. A procedural consciousness won't be far behind IMO.
Most of the human genome is composed of viruses. Once it reaches a technological singularity all bets are off.
Scythian Empire
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Thanks for ruining my day OP.
chicko1983
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Jea Song said:
Mate, I got plenty of regrets but I try to live with no regrets. At least I try I suppose.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Fonds said:Do we all die?
who's that first guy?
Meh, i think about it occasionally but it doesn't really bother me. It ends and that's it, there's nothing.
Thinking and worrying about this shit achieves absolutely nothing, only acceptance of its inevitable coming makes you feel any better.
Thinking and worrying about this shit achieves absolutely nothing, only acceptance of its inevitable coming makes you feel any better.
Why not worship gods but then turn around and worship the concept/idea of life?
In what way is life more important/concrete/solid/real than "gods" if life always end?
What about the difference between actions/ideologies/opinions/virtues etc..., if all leads to death?
Since you don't choose to be born, nor the environment your born into and neither to way you learn language, what are you really? and how much of it do you control?
:lol
In what way is life more important/concrete/solid/real than "gods" if life always end?
What about the difference between actions/ideologies/opinions/virtues etc..., if all leads to death?
Since you don't choose to be born, nor the environment your born into and neither to way you learn language, what are you really? and how much of it do you control?
:lol
shaft said:
keanu reeves.
anyway a month or so ago on the gamespy debriefings podcast one of their guests told a story about being clinically dead for 5 minutes. he says there's nothing there when you die. it's a dark, silent void of nothingness and you're cool with it.
personally i dont fear death and i dont care if i die tonight. the only thing i fear about dying is how painful it will be.... im hoping for an instant painless death.
Government-man
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big_z said:
So he actually remembers a dark silent void... doesn't sound like nothing to me. On top of that, he is actually remembers that he thought it was cool?
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