We all die.
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noclevername620
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I mean, shit happens. The most thought I have put into my own death is some legal paperwork ensuring that my sister and her husband will be named the legal guardians of my daughter in the event that her mother and I happen to both pass away before she is of legal age. Other than that, I try not to think about it, and just try to be a good person and make myself and others happy and give my kid the best life I possibly can.
Part of me can't wait to find out what really happens, although I'm sure by the time I figure it out, I wont have the brain activity to realize it. I just hope I'm remembered fondly.
Part of me can't wait to find out what really happens, although I'm sure by the time I figure it out, I wont have the brain activity to realize it. I just hope I'm remembered fondly.
fortified_concept
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My brain is a result of a weird combination between reading philosophy when I was younger, my experiences with LSD and mushrooms which often revolved around subjects of philosophy and my seething hate for humanity as a whole so I can say with absolute certainty that I'm not afraid to die. Plus I had a very good life and I'm not interested in family or kids so I don't give a fuck anymore.
yankeeforever2
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I just need 3 more dragon balls for my immorality wish, or I might wish for some money not sure yet.
POWERSPHERE
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Knowing everyone dies is one of the only things that makes me happy sometimes.
Monocle
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Logically, your first three questions are either stupid or spectacularly incoherent. I can't tell if you're being facetious. I'll reply as though you aren't.Yann said:
1) Longevity and impermeability cannot function as measures of value independent of the context of the material world. Long life is prized because we know life endsthe assumption being that the more time we have to experience the world, the better. I should add that being grateful for existence, or experiencing a sense of awe about the remarkable universe in which we live, as revealed by science, is self-evidently different than bending knee to imaginary authority figures due to insecurity, ignorance or delusion.
2) The evidence for reality is all around us. The evidence for gods is nil. And in any case, when something is destroyed that doesn't mean it never existed.
3) Some views have the virtue of being true or useful within the various mental frameworks that our species has constructed in order to function as individuals and as a society. It's foolish to seek absolutes, but equally so to subject every element of reality to relativistic deconstruction. As we go about our daily lives, all of us operate with a set of practical assumptions. For example, when you get out of bed in the morning, you make a series of rapid-fire inferences as you go. It doesn't occur to you that you might fall through the floor, and therefore that you might be better off staying on the island of solid matter you know to be your bed, because experience tells you the floor is solid. You don't shield your eyes as you open them because experience tells you the walls aren't going to turn into planes of white-hot plasma. This is the nature of the mundane. To deny it is to be a hypocrite, if not worse.
4) Physically, you are the sum of your genes. Psychologically, you are, at least in part, the product of your environment. If that were all you are, of course, you'd probably lack the intellectual autonomy to ask these questions. I strongly encourage you to read as many books about science (by real scientists) as you can.
John Dunbar
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switch-it said:
yes. it doesn't exist.
Monocle said:
Man I hate people like you, thinking you're special or something. I know a guy who's life was in the trash, did drugs, drank alcohol all the time and had no real future. He was an Atheist and then some friends of his convinced him to go to a mass at a Catholic church. He's a Catholic now, has a family, a great job and is one of the happiest people I know. I'm sure there are examples from every religion where this happens. You think religion is some sort of poison when in fact it gave this man a reason to live. You're a joke buddy and it's not because you're an Atheist, it's because you think your way is the only answer. Some people need religion to give them guidance in life, just because your experience with a religion was bad doesn't mean anything. There are people with your thinking everywhere, you're a dime a dozen. I just feel sorry for the bunch of ya.
innervision961
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I'm sitting in the hospital right now, my dad who had a triple bypass under two years ago is in there getting a cath run... He is having tremendous chest pain and was rushed here in an ambulance from work... It's so surreal to have read this and the other thread about the after life and then find yourself in a situation like this. I don't know any of u nor do you know me, but this place is a slice of sanity/normalcy for me right now. Whatever happens to us when we die, we better believe that what we have is a gift
Government-man
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switch-it said:
I hope these are all joke posts. Sarcasm on the Internet am fail
wolfmat
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I've been on the brink of death a few times (always involved dumb accidents - I once fell out of a tree and nearly smashed my head open on the sidewalk, for example). I never found it particularly scary at the time though.
Afterwards, I sure was happy to be able to think about it, but when it happened, I was kind of cool with it.
Might be a different story if sickness is involved, can't tell though.
Whether or not there's a life after death is sort of irrelevant to me, but if I ponder about it, I think it's highly unlikely.
Afterwards, I sure was happy to be able to think about it, but when it happened, I was kind of cool with it.
Might be a different story if sickness is involved, can't tell though.
Whether or not there's a life after death is sort of irrelevant to me, but if I ponder about it, I think it's highly unlikely.
Dead Man Typing
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Meh, death's not so bad.
Monocle
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The funny thing about all of this is that you don't know me at all. Your post is absolutely freighted with assumptions of which I have no particular motivation to disabuse you. I will say, though, that if you think that religion is on the whole a positive thing for the world, you ought to investigate its history. Hell, take a look at what it's been up to recently.ryan-ts said:
I'll also say that I wonder if your friend's betterment ought indeed to be credited to the virtues of religion, or if Catholicism merely happened to be the first philosophy he encountered in his time of need. There exist other life-affirming philosophies that don't come with nearly so much baggage, and other communities that aren't starry-eyed with visions of divine enticements that carry the not-so-minor condition of eternal praise offered up to a malevolent supernatural dictator. (By the way, I could contradict your admittedly stirring story with a mountain of anecdotal evidence if I had a lot of time to waste. If you wanted to prove a point, you chose the wrong approach.)
Finally, I would encourage you to reread my post. You'll find I was critical of my old beliefs, not the religion that inculcated them, and certainly not religion as a whole. I meant to avoid inciting this type of confrontation. If your regard for atheists is as poor as your posts suggests, I would remind you that even staunch atheists may be mild people with very good reasons for disbelief that you may never have considered. The militant atheist stereotype might appear accurate because of this century's steady increase in outspoken detractors of religion, but you should know better than to judge an entire group based on your limited exposure to them through the media and your personal experience online and off. That sample size is bloody inadequate to inform an accurate conclusion about millions of people. And before you accuse me of doing the same thing, I'll point out that I attack arguments and beliefs, not personal character.
Barberetti
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"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." - Mark Twain.
Always liked that quote. I went through a period of thinking about it quite a lot a few years back. Probably lasted about a year. Yeah, it's a bit of a fucker knowing that when you're gone, you're gone for ever. I'm just hoping that when my time comes, it'll be painless.
I'm going to be cremated after I die. When my ashes are scattered to the winds, I want one of my friends to quote Bill S. Preston Esquire, and say "All we are is dust in the wind dude". I'll be content with that :lol
Always liked that quote. I went through a period of thinking about it quite a lot a few years back. Probably lasted about a year. Yeah, it's a bit of a fucker knowing that when you're gone, you're gone for ever. I'm just hoping that when my time comes, it'll be painless.
I'm going to be cremated after I die. When my ashes are scattered to the winds, I want one of my friends to quote Bill S. Preston Esquire, and say "All we are is dust in the wind dude". I'll be content with that :lol
Government-man
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switch-it said:
Well if the soul had been scientifically proven then I'd suspect you'd know about it. As far as I know there is no scientific evidence and even if there is a soul I suspect there never will be any proof. Granted not a lot of 'serious' research has been done on the subject (how would you even go about proving such a thing).
No one can tell you that there isn't one either. But as no proof of it exists yet I guess you could, from a empirical viewpoint, say that it does not exist, much as you can say that god does not exist. You are as of now required to take a leap of faith in that matter. Just read my last post.
But please, if there is some research I haven't heard about (most unlikely) then by all means link me some. If you can find that then I'll wet my pants.
I just thought the questions sounded naive and the response probably semi-serious and thats what I found funny.
Monocle
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Neuroscience has already punched plenty of holes in the concept of the soul. Why would certain regions of the brain consistently activate during the performance of certain functions if the soul and not the brain were the vessel for one's mind? Further, consider why lobotomies have the effect they do.
The soul is an unfalsifiable notion. Its main appeal is its tie to the possibility of life after death. These facts ought to make people immediately suspicious.
The soul is an unfalsifiable notion. Its main appeal is its tie to the possibility of life after death. These facts ought to make people immediately suspicious.
Jill Sandwich
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Stabbie said:
I'd rather not be a brain in a jar. UNLESS WE ALREADY ARE
Well you see, I've never bothered to look into such matters so I don't know what studies have been done. I suppose it would be big news if they were able to scientifically prove your soul exists, or maybe not...as you said not a lot of serious research has been done so maybe even if someone did have a plausible theory it has been largely ignored, I don't know hence my request for information.Government-man said:
Like I said I have no knowledge on this matter. I'm just interested in reading what he had read.
Naive? Perhaps, but I feel like there's a lot of knowledge that just isn't taken seriously enough to be widely reported on...maybe there's a scientist with some "crazy" theories and "evidence" out there that just isn't talked about in the mainstream media...I don't know man but I wouldn't mind reading up on it since this thread has piqued my interest...
Government-man
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Master Z said:
I actually really agree with you. If you read some of the discussion in this thread you'll see what I'm talking about. To sum it up; All information and research conducted on this subject is by default immediately discarded as crazy talk shit (which is understandable since most of it probably is) and therefore it is often very hard to take this subject seriously.
wolfmat
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I don't doubt that at some point, science will have advanced to a point that a brain's state can be duplicated, which would result in exactly the same thoughts, the same memories and so forth.
What I find asking myself consequently is what happens with my identity if I gradually replace parts of my brain with a replica, maybe even a digital one. Might one actually be able to transfer identity to a computer that produces neurological states as a brain would?
At that point, we'd be able to not die, even while our body would perish!
What I find asking myself consequently is what happens with my identity if I gradually replace parts of my brain with a replica, maybe even a digital one. Might one actually be able to transfer identity to a computer that produces neurological states as a brain would?
At that point, we'd be able to not die, even while our body would perish!
Fear of death is nothing more than a biological survival instinct. Like pain, it has no significance other than propagating some unknown (but highly theorized) function. If we are wired with the main goal of reproduction in mind, then fear of death is a way for you to avoid dying before you have passed on your seed. The parallel to pain I made above is probably the easiest way to understand this. Pain is not something to be scared of. It is only your body's way of telling you that it is in danger. Sort of like the "check engine" light in your car. Likewise, your fear of death is nothing more than a way to increase your chances of reproducing before dying. If no one was scared of death, there is absolutely no way the human race would survive. If you detach yourself from your biological drive to survive, intellectually, death is not a very scary thing.
ok, here´s something i always wondered:
If you put someone to sleep, supposedly by using some kind of narcotic substance, and then cut of his head by using some kind of guillotine, or something as fast. What happens?
Yeah, Mr. Obvious, that person dies, no shit, Sherlock. But what is death to this person? When I sleep, I don´t take any notice of it. I go to bed, and when I wake up it´s as if no time has passed.You go to sleep, you wake up. The time in-between is non-existent for us. So, when someone is killed during sleep, and in a really fast way, how does that person "welcome" death? Is there some kind of pain reaction that we cannot observe, but the, suddenly cut-off, head goes through? If not, that, imo, brings the whole afterlife-discussion to new life.
Because, if you can die without noticing it AT ALL, then it´s questionable if there really is no afterlife. And yes, I realize how there is a lack of logic, like "there´s no afterlife, that person still dies, just not feeling it", but I´d still feel curious about it. Makes me think if there is some kind of afterlife, because there really isn´t any realization of dying. (and no matter what everyone tells you, I don´t believe that a bullet to the head is painless. It´s "a "faster" death, but not painless.
If you put someone to sleep, supposedly by using some kind of narcotic substance, and then cut of his head by using some kind of guillotine, or something as fast. What happens?
Yeah, Mr. Obvious, that person dies, no shit, Sherlock. But what is death to this person? When I sleep, I don´t take any notice of it. I go to bed, and when I wake up it´s as if no time has passed.You go to sleep, you wake up. The time in-between is non-existent for us. So, when someone is killed during sleep, and in a really fast way, how does that person "welcome" death? Is there some kind of pain reaction that we cannot observe, but the, suddenly cut-off, head goes through? If not, that, imo, brings the whole afterlife-discussion to new life.
Because, if you can die without noticing it AT ALL, then it´s questionable if there really is no afterlife. And yes, I realize how there is a lack of logic, like "there´s no afterlife, that person still dies, just not feeling it", but I´d still feel curious about it. Makes me think if there is some kind of afterlife, because there really isn´t any realization of dying. (and no matter what everyone tells you, I don´t believe that a bullet to the head is painless. It´s "a "faster" death, but not painless.
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