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Government-man said:
So he actually remembers a dark silent void... doesn't sound like nothing to me. On top of that, he is actually remembers that he thought it was cool?

he doesnt say he remembers it but thats how he would describe it. to me it sounded a lot like being put to sleep for surgery... it's like lost time, you dont hear, see or think anything.
 
I mean, shit happens. The most thought I have put into my own death is some legal paperwork ensuring that my sister and her husband will be named the legal guardians of my daughter in the event that her mother and I happen to both pass away before she is of legal age. Other than that, I try not to think about it, and just try to be a good person and make myself and others happy and give my kid the best life I possibly can.

Part of me can't wait to find out what really happens, although I'm sure by the time I figure it out, I wont have the brain activity to realize it. I just hope I'm remembered fondly.
 
My brain is a result of a weird combination between reading philosophy when I was younger, my experiences with LSD and mushrooms which often revolved around subjects of philosophy and my seething hate for humanity as a whole so I can say with absolute certainty that I'm not afraid to die. Plus I had a very good life and I'm not interested in family or kids so I don't give a fuck anymore.
 
I thought this thread would depress me but instead i feeled peace. Thank you. :D

On a related note of the topic, do anyone of you know if there is some scientific knowledge about the soul of man?
 
Yann said:
Why not worship gods but then turn around and worship the concept/idea of life?

In what way is life more important/concrete/solid/real than "gods" if life always end?

What about the difference between actions/ideologies/opinions/virtues etc..., if all leads to death?

Since you don't choose to be born, nor the environment your born into and neither to way you learn language, what are you really? and how much of it do you control?

:lol
Logically, your first three questions are either stupid or spectacularly incoherent. I can't tell if you're being facetious. I'll reply as though you aren't.

1) Longevity and impermeability cannot function as measures of value independent of the context of the material world. Long life is prized because we know life ends—the assumption being that the more time we have to experience the world, the better. I should add that being grateful for existence, or experiencing a sense of awe about the remarkable universe in which we live, as revealed by science, is self-evidently different than bending knee to imaginary authority figures due to insecurity, ignorance or delusion.

2) The evidence for reality is all around us. The evidence for gods is nil. And in any case, when something is destroyed that doesn't mean it never existed.

3) Some views have the virtue of being true or useful within the various mental frameworks that our species has constructed in order to function as individuals and as a society. It's foolish to seek absolutes, but equally so to subject every element of reality to relativistic deconstruction. As we go about our daily lives, all of us operate with a set of practical assumptions. For example, when you get out of bed in the morning, you make a series of rapid-fire inferences as you go. It doesn't occur to you that you might fall through the floor, and therefore that you might be better off staying on the island of solid matter you know to be your bed, because experience tells you the floor is solid. You don't shield your eyes as you open them because experience tells you the walls aren't going to turn into planes of white-hot plasma. This is the nature of the mundane. To deny it is to be a hypocrite, if not worse.

4) Physically, you are the sum of your genes. Psychologically, you are, at least in part, the product of your environment. If that were all you are, of course, you'd probably lack the intellectual autonomy to ask these questions. I strongly encourage you to read as many books about science (by real scientists) as you can.
 
Government-man said:
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Yo that film is super-awesome.
 
Monocle said:
When I deeply ponder death, it almost gives me vertigo. The thought of ceasing to exist is shattering, horrifying. I'm hoping technology will save my ass, but I'm not betting on it.

I've often thought about mortality since I shook off the religion of my childhood in my teens. It's a key part of my motivation to live my life to the fullest. The truth is, although I was a fairly happy child with a decent life, I rarely appreciated my existence until I became an atheist, because I labored under the fatuous assumptions that a) God would protect me from harm, and b) dying was no big deal because I had an immortal soul that would forever preserve my identity. I'm grateful every day—quite literally every day—that I managed to discard that dangerous, poisonous naivety, because my life has been immeasurably better ever since.


Man I hate people like you, thinking you're special or something. I know a guy who's life was in the trash, did drugs, drank alcohol all the time and had no real future. He was an Atheist and then some friends of his convinced him to go to a mass at a Catholic church. He's a Catholic now, has a family, a great job and is one of the happiest people I know. I'm sure there are examples from every religion where this happens. You think religion is some sort of poison when in fact it gave this man a reason to live. You're a joke buddy and it's not because you're an Atheist, it's because you think your way is the only answer. Some people need religion to give them guidance in life, just because your experience with a religion was bad doesn't mean anything. There are people with your thinking everywhere, you're a dime a dozen. I just feel sorry for the bunch of ya.
 
ryan-ts said:
Man I hate people like you, thinking you're special or something. I know a guy who's life was in the trash, did drugs, drank alcohol all the time and had no real future. He was an Atheist and then some friends of his convinced him to go to a mass at a Catholic church. He's a Catholic now, has a family, a great job and is one of the happiest people I know. I'm sure there are examples from every religion where this happens. You think religion is some sort of poison when in fact it gave this man a reason to live. You're a joke buddy and it's not because you're an Atheist, it's because you think your way is the only answer. Some people need religion to give them guidance in life, just because your experience with a religion was bad doesn't mean anything. There are people with your thinking everywhere, you're a dime a dozen. I just feel sorry for the bunch of ya.
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Master Z said:
How did they determine this? Link please? (I could google but I'd like to read what you read...and I'm lazy)

Doesn't matter apparently

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I'm sitting in the hospital right now, my dad who had a triple bypass under two years ago is in there getting a cath run... He is having tremendous chest pain and was rushed here in an ambulance from work... It's so surreal to have read this and the other thread about the after life and then find yourself in a situation like this. I don't know any of u nor do you know me, but this place is a slice of sanity/normalcy for me right now. Whatever happens to us when we die, we better believe that what we have is a gift
 
I've been on the brink of death a few times (always involved dumb accidents - I once fell out of a tree and nearly smashed my head open on the sidewalk, for example). I never found it particularly scary at the time though.
Afterwards, I sure was happy to be able to think about it, but when it happened, I was kind of cool with it.

Might be a different story if sickness is involved, can't tell though.

Whether or not there's a life after death is sort of irrelevant to me, but if I ponder about it, I think it's highly unlikely.
 
Government-man said:
I hope these are all joke posts. Sarcasm on the Internet am fail
Actually I'm genuinely interested in what science has to say about it, if that's a joke to you then by all means, laugh it up.
 
ryan-ts said:
Man I hate people like you, thinking you're special or something. I know a guy who's life was in the trash, did drugs, drank alcohol all the time and had no real future. He was an Atheist and then some friends of his convinced him to go to a mass at a Catholic church. He's a Catholic now, has a family, a great job and is one of the happiest people I know. I'm sure there are examples from every religion where this happens. You think religion is some sort of poison when in fact it gave this man a reason to live. You're a joke buddy and it's not because you're an Atheist, it's because you think your way is the only answer. Some people need religion to give them guidance in life, just because your experience with a religion was bad doesn't mean anything. There are people with your thinking everywhere, you're a dime a dozen. I just feel sorry for the bunch of ya.
The funny thing about all of this is that you don't know me at all. Your post is absolutely freighted with assumptions of which I have no particular motivation to disabuse you. I will say, though, that if you think that religion is on the whole a positive thing for the world, you ought to investigate its history. Hell, take a look at what it's been up to recently.

I'll also say that I wonder if your friend's betterment ought indeed to be credited to the virtues of religion, or if Catholicism merely happened to be the first philosophy he encountered in his time of need. There exist other life-affirming philosophies that don't come with nearly so much baggage, and other communities that aren't starry-eyed with visions of divine enticements that carry the not-so-minor condition of eternal praise offered up to a malevolent supernatural dictator. (By the way, I could contradict your admittedly stirring story with a mountain of anecdotal evidence if I had a lot of time to waste. If you wanted to prove a point, you chose the wrong approach.)

Finally, I would encourage you to reread my post. You'll find I was critical of my old beliefs, not the religion that inculcated them, and certainly not religion as a whole. I meant to avoid inciting this type of confrontation. If your regard for atheists is as poor as your posts suggests, I would remind you that even staunch atheists may be mild people with very good reasons for disbelief that you may never have considered. The militant atheist stereotype might appear accurate because of this century's steady increase in outspoken detractors of religion, but you should know better than to judge an entire group based on your limited exposure to them through the media and your personal experience online and off. That sample size is bloody inadequate to inform an accurate conclusion about millions of people. And before you accuse me of doing the same thing, I'll point out that I attack arguments and beliefs, not personal character.
 
Jea Song said:
It's something we all know is coming. We don't know when, we don't know where. We try not to think about it. We ignore many warnings that could lead us to death. But have you ever really thought about it? I mean when your dead...what really happens? I don't wish to throw religion into this, because I think religion was created to help us not think about death as the end. But we all die. Every single one of us. Everyone you know. Your friends, your parents, your love ones. Every single person alive on this planet today, will all be dead in 150 years.

I know most don't think about it. I know most don't want to think about it. And I can see their point. Why think about something like that? Live life to the fullest, because for all we know its the only one you got.

Then of course you have those that don't care. You have those that will respond to this

" i'm invincible"

I understand. It's your way to cope with not thinking about death. You bring in humor to ease the real serious question that is death.

Ever think about your death?
150 years? Nothing like erring on the side of caution eh? I'm pretty sure you could have said 100-105 years everyone alive today will be dead.
 
Manics said:
150 years? Nothing like erring on the side of caution eh? I'm pretty sure you could have said 100-105 years everyone alive today will be dead.

Uhm, no. 150 years seems like a good guess.
 
Manics said:
150 years? Nothing like erring on the side of caution eh? I'm pretty sure you could have said 100-105 years everyone alive today will be dead.
He was probably taking into account unforeseeable medical advances. Who knows what the coming decades will bring? It seemed like a reasonable estimate to me.
 
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." - Mark Twain.

Always liked that quote. I went through a period of thinking about it quite a lot a few years back. Probably lasted about a year. Yeah, it's a bit of a fucker knowing that when you're gone, you're gone for ever. I'm just hoping that when my time comes, it'll be painless.

I'm going to be cremated after I die. When my ashes are scattered to the winds, I want one of my friends to quote Bill S. Preston Esquire, and say "All we are is dust in the wind dude". I'll be content with that :lol
 
switch-it said:
Mine isn't. Why?

Actually I'm genuinely interested in what science has to say about it, if that's a joke to you then by all means, laugh it up.

Well if the soul had been scientifically proven then I'd suspect you'd know about it. As far as I know there is no scientific evidence and even if there is a soul I suspect there never will be any proof. Granted not a lot of 'serious' research has been done on the subject (how would you even go about proving such a thing).

No one can tell you that there isn't one either. But as no proof of it exists yet I guess you could, from a empirical viewpoint, say that it does not exist, much as you can say that god does not exist. You are as of now required to take a leap of faith in that matter. Just read my last post.

But please, if there is some research I haven't heard about (most unlikely) then by all means link me some. If you can find that then I'll wet my pants.

I just thought the questions sounded naive and the response probably semi-serious and thats what I found funny.
 
Could there ever be a method to keep the brain alive and functioning forever? If so, that's the only way I could see immortality happen.
 
Neuroscience has already punched plenty of holes in the concept of the soul. Why would certain regions of the brain consistently activate during the performance of certain functions if the soul and not the brain were the vessel for one's mind? Further, consider why lobotomies have the effect they do.

The soul is an unfalsifiable notion. Its main appeal is its tie to the possibility of life after death. These facts ought to make people immediately suspicious.
 
Monocle said:
He was probably taking into account unforeseeable medical advances. Who knows what the coming decades will bring? It seemed like a reasonable estimate to me.
Yeah ok. Medical advances when? He said everyone alive on the planet today. The current life expectancy is around 80 years old. Unless there's a super breakthrough in the next 20 years, everyone alive TODAY will be food for worms in 100 years or less.
 
Manics said:
Yeah ok. Medical advances when? He said everyone alive on the planet today. The current life expectancy is around 80 years old. Unless there's a super breakthrough in the next 20 years, everyone alive TODAY will be food for worms in 100 years or less.
Please don't make me ask you to look up the word "unforeseeable."
 
Manics said:
Yeah ok. Medical advances when? He said everyone alive on the planet today. The current life expectancy is around 80 years old. Unless there's a super breakthrough in the next 20 years, everyone alive TODAY will be food for worms in 100 years or less.
Many scientists say due to medical advancements we're seeing and will be seeing, the first person to live to 150-200 (whichever it is) is already alive.
 
Stabbie said:
Could there ever be a method to keep the brain alive and functioning forever? If so, that's the only way I could see immortality happen.

I'd rather not be a brain in a jar. UNLESS WE ALREADY ARE
 
Monocle said:
Please don't make me ask you to look up the word "unforeseeable."
You won't come to terms with your impending death huh? Makes you feel good thinking you have another 100 years left from now because some magician will find an "unforseeable" medical advance? How old are you 25? 30? You have about 70-80 years left.
 
Manics said:
You won't come to terms with your impending death huh? Makes you feel good thinking you have another 100 years left from now because some magician will find an "unforseeable" medical advance? How old are you 25? 30? You have about 70-80 years left.
Thank you for your scientific input.
 
Manics said:
Yeah ok. Medical advances when? He said everyone alive on the planet today. The current life expectancy is around 80 years old. Unless there's a super breakthrough in the next 20 years, everyone alive TODAY will be food for worms in 100 years or less.

The oldest people alive today are near 120 years old. Why would everyone suddenly not get older than 100 years?
 
Manics said:
You won't come to terms with your impending death huh? Makes you feel good thinking you have another 100 years left from now because some magician will find an "unforseeable" medical advance? How old are you 25? 30? You have about 70-80 years left.
How did you jump from the subject of the future of medicine to my personal feelings about my inevitable death? Do I even have to ask if you read my first post in this topic? (I mention it because it's not all that far back.) Christ in a jalopy.
 
Stabbie said:
The oldest people alive today are near 120 years old. Why would everyone suddenly not get older than 100 years?
Yeah a handful of people with good genes are over 100, has nothing to do with any medical advances. The AVERAGE life expectancy for most people is still under 100.
 
Manics said:
Yeah a handful of people with good genes are over 100, has nothing to do with any medical advances. The AVERAGE life expectancy for most people is still under 100.

Yeah, you really have no clue what we're talking about.
 
Really? Can you please provide me the data for the average life expectancy for men and women in north america. Hint : it's slightly higher for women.

Edit: that means you stabble since you know what you're talking about.
 
Government-man said:
Well if the soul had been scientifically proven then I'd suspect you'd know about it. As far as I know there is no scientific evidence and even if there is a soul I suspect there never will be any proof. Granted not a lot of 'serious' research has been done on the subject (how would you even go about proving such a thing).
Well you see, I've never bothered to look into such matters so I don't know what studies have been done. I suppose it would be big news if they were able to scientifically prove your soul exists, or maybe not...as you said not a lot of serious research has been done so maybe even if someone did have a plausible theory it has been largely ignored, I don't know hence my request for information.


But please, if there is some research I haven't heard about (most unlikely) then by all means link me some. If you can find that then I'll wet my pants.
Like I said I have no knowledge on this matter. I'm just interested in reading what he had read.

I just thought the questions sounded naive and the response probably semi-serious and thats what I found funny.
Naive? Perhaps, but I feel like there's a lot of knowledge that just isn't taken seriously enough to be widely reported on...maybe there's a scientist with some "crazy" theories and "evidence" out there that just isn't talked about in the mainstream media...I don't know man but I wouldn't mind reading up on it since this thread has piqued my interest...
 
Master Z said:
as you said not a lot of serious research has been done so maybe even if someone did have a plausible theory it has been largely ignored, I don't know hence my request for information.




Naive? Perhaps, but I feel like there's a lot of knowledge that just isn't taken seriously enough to be widely reported on...maybe there's a scientist with some "crazy" theories and "evidence" out there that just isn't talked about in the mainstream media...I don't know man but I wouldn't mind reading up on it since this thread has piqued my interest...

I actually really agree with you. If you read some of the discussion in this thread you'll see what I'm talking about. To sum it up; All information and research conducted on this subject is by default immediately discarded as crazy talk shit (which is understandable since most of it probably is) and therefore it is often very hard to take this subject seriously.
 
I don't doubt that at some point, science will have advanced to a point that a brain's state can be duplicated, which would result in exactly the same thoughts, the same memories and so forth.

What I find asking myself consequently is what happens with my identity if I gradually replace parts of my brain with a replica, maybe even a digital one. Might one actually be able to transfer identity to a computer that produces neurological states as a brain would?

At that point, we'd be able to not die, even while our body would perish!
 
For me the question if there is a live after was answered with a simple logical conclusion...

After our death were going to be like we were before we were born and that's nothing.
 
Sometimes I wake up in the morning after an extremely deep sleep and it feels like I wouldn't have even noticed if I never woke up... if you get what I mean.

I think that's what death is like.

I don't believe in anything like an afterlife.
 
Fear of death is nothing more than a biological survival instinct. Like pain, it has no significance other than propagating some unknown (but highly theorized) function. If we are wired with the main goal of reproduction in mind, then fear of death is a way for you to avoid dying before you have passed on your seed. The parallel to pain I made above is probably the easiest way to understand this. Pain is not something to be scared of. It is only your body's way of telling you that it is in danger. Sort of like the "check engine" light in your car. Likewise, your fear of death is nothing more than a way to increase your chances of reproducing before dying. If no one was scared of death, there is absolutely no way the human race would survive. If you detach yourself from your biological drive to survive, intellectually, death is not a very scary thing.
 
ok, here´s something i always wondered:

If you put someone to sleep, supposedly by using some kind of narcotic substance, and then cut of his head by using some kind of guillotine, or something as fast. What happens?

Yeah, Mr. Obvious, that person dies, no shit, Sherlock. But what is death to this person? When I sleep, I don´t take any notice of it. I go to bed, and when I wake up it´s as if no time has passed.You go to sleep, you wake up. The time in-between is non-existent for us. So, when someone is killed during sleep, and in a really fast way, how does that person "welcome" death? Is there some kind of pain reaction that we cannot observe, but the, suddenly cut-off, head goes through? If not, that, imo, brings the whole afterlife-discussion to new life.
Because, if you can die without noticing it AT ALL, then it´s questionable if there really is no afterlife. And yes, I realize how there is a lack of logic, like "there´s no afterlife, that person still dies, just not feeling it", but I´d still feel curious about it. Makes me think if there is some kind of afterlife, because there really isn´t any realization of dying. (and no matter what everyone tells you, I don´t believe that a bullet to the head is painless. It´s "a "faster" death, but not painless.
 
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