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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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Memory altered to believe he talked with his wife.
But Dolores had that convo with old Anthony Hopkins.
Saucycarpdog
Member
So wait, if Bernard was Arnold and was trying to have Delores destroy the park, then doesn't that mean Delores journey with William to find the center of the maze is a plot to destroy the park?
IGN asked him this question but he wouldn't bite
Maybe she thinks Arnold is alive or maybe it was all fake or in the past, who knows. Im sure we will find out
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
I'm also lamenting Clementine's decommissioning, the same way Peter Albernathy was decommissioned too. If the Arnold = Bernard theory pans out, I'm doubly curious what Bernard told Peter before he was stowed away. It was powerful enough to have him tear up, post-lobotomy!
Stratosphere
Member
I guess, but that seems a bit lazy/clumsy.
Teresa to Bernard in bed (paraphrasing), "is this you practicing?" Referring to hosts self-correcting through speech.
Veritigo_X
Member
It was fake. She was probably another host or CG.
Yes
, 30 years in the past
HighResTomato
Member
If Ford knows everything, surely he must know about Maeve.
Frank the Great
Banned
Agreed. The Bernard=host theory and, if true, the Bernard=Arnold robot theory, are both pretty damn good twists.
Dual timelines is a bit more cheap but not totally out there. William=MiB would be incredibly cheap IMO.
Saucycarpdog
Member
That would make sense, so we know that
William stops her in the end?
After all, in the 5th episode the man in black does say "I saved this park" when he met with Ford.
It could literally be a pre recorded video. Bernard is a host, he probably has that same conversation over and over and never realizes it. Just part of his loop.
Maeve's arc is the one wich is still blurry to me. The butcher guys said that someone with a way higher clearence level altered her stats. Who could that be?
At first I thought it was Arnold, and that would mean he is still alive somehow. But now Im wondering if she beeing turned to a superior host has something to do with Ford's plans...
This episode pretty much confirmed that one too. His dialogue with Dolores matches the MiB's philosophy.
That's a programmed interaction to make others buy that he's human. His ex-wife in the video is probably a host too.
welp, i'm convinced.
Yes
It appears to be leading to the event they refer to in the past which ed Harris (William) is referenced to have helped with
Seems like every crazy theory is confirmed at this point to me
And now ed Harris wants to finish what he started with Delores the first time he visited the park (getting through the maze and freeing all the robots)
More_Badass
Member
Watch the Ford/Bernard scene in The Stray again. Ford's mannerisms and comments mean so much more now
"You mustn't make Arnold's mistake"
"Why would I?"
"You mustn't make Arnold's mistake"
"Why would I?"
I would guess the season finale will be all about that and the ed Harris present timeline story and Anthony Hopkins new narrative will be next season
wesleyshark
Banned
"What door?" made my skin crawl! The real world stuff is so much more compelling to me than the park stuff.
At first I thought they might want to make multiple copies of the park, or create new parks with other themes. Maybe they do. The more sinister possibilities would be military use or making replacements for real people that Delos can control: politicians, etc.
At first I thought they might want to make multiple copies of the park, or create new parks with other themes. Maybe they do. The more sinister possibilities would be military use or making replacements for real people that Delos can control: politicians, etc.
More_Badass
Member
Yup, in the episode that Bernard "learns" about Arnold and Ford tells him how Arnold used to treat the hosts differently, Ford also has that scene where he admonishes the worker for covering up the host right in front of Bernard too
Now it makes sense why he'd do that in front of Bernard. To keep enforcing that "hosts aren't real" programming in Bernard, because of how Arnold would have Dolores clothed and how he treated her
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Not a particularly surprising twist considering they spelled it out weeks ago.
Good episode regardless
Good episode regardless
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
great episode. i'm still wondering about what Ford's expression meant when he was watching Clementine's "grudge" scene. it was a look of emptiness, but also somewhat shocked, or deep in thought. it wasn't the look of someone who was in total control, or that he knew what was going on everywhere at all times.
maybe that was the moment he realized there had to be another blood sacrifice.
maybe that was the moment he realized there had to be another blood sacrifice.
Super hyped.
While I never discounted the Bernard=Host theory and there was some evidence I did not want to believe thinking it much hokier than multiple timeframes. And I think 9 times out of ten it would have been hokey.
However between the door, reveal, printing host , Teresa's death and a Hopkins performance that was one of if not the creepiest thing he has ever done they elevated what should have been a cheap twist that was hokey and eye rolling into a masterful piece of modern television.
Well done, and whether MIB is William or not that last ten minutes guaranteed I will buy anything and I am in for the rest of the ride, bring on episode 8!
While I never discounted the Bernard=Host theory and there was some evidence I did not want to believe thinking it much hokier than multiple timeframes. And I think 9 times out of ten it would have been hokey.
However between the door, reveal, printing host , Teresa's death and a Hopkins performance that was one of if not the creepiest thing he has ever done they elevated what should have been a cheap twist that was hokey and eye rolling into a masterful piece of modern television.
Well done, and whether MIB is William or not that last ten minutes guaranteed I will buy anything and I am in for the rest of the ride, bring on episode 8!
Frank the Great
Banned
Does no one at the company recognize Arnold? Isn't there a photo of him on the internet somewhere? Did he have a Facebook?
It just seems weird to me that a robot can masquerade as a dead guy who conveniently cannot be identified.
It just seems weird to me that a robot can masquerade as a dead guy who conveniently cannot be identified.
metalslimer
Member
So wait what's the evidence Bernard is Arnold?
Bernard telling Delores about the maze and the maze being a clear creation of Arnold's that no one really seems to know about
Also doesn't seem anyone but Arnold would want her to go there
Also Anthony Hopkins seems to be the sentimental type that would make his new partner look like his old one with the minor change of having complete and total control over him
1. 30 years after he died
2. Episode 3 ford tells Bernard the company literally destroyed all evidence of Arnold lol.
The photo of young Ford and Arnold was actually a photo of Ford and one of Arnold's creations that Ford was keeping off-book. You can see that there is a folded back portion of the photo indicating that the real photo is underneath, this was probably done so that Bernard wouldn't be looking at a picture of himself with younger Ford.
People think that Bernard was created so that Ford would still have his friend working with him. No one seems to know who Arnold was or what he looked like, so this would have been possible to re-introduce Bernard to the work environment and not have anyone know.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Ford: "I asked her nicely. I fucking asked her nicely. Now they gonna force me to kill that bitch."
More_Badass
Member
1) The picture that Ford showed Bernard. The "Arnold" in that picture turned out to be a host (Ford lying) and the seeming offset picture is now revealed to be Bernard not being able to see the other person in the picture.
2) "You mustn't make Arnold's mistake"
"Why would I?"
3) Arnold would treat the hosts differently, hence the scenes where Bernard is talking to a clothed Dolores. Ford makes a point of enforcing to Bernard that the hosts aren't real and don't need to be covered up, as in keeping him from moving toward Arnold's mindset
4) Arnold's life was marred by personal tragedy, aka "Bernard''s son dying
5) Bernard tells Dolores about the maze, something that only Arnold and a select few others would know
6) A potential name anagram. Bernard Lowe = Arnold Weber?