Madserb2023
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it's not complicated. You don't need an Xbox to play any of the games. If I could play Nintendo games legally on a PC at higher res and framerate I would not even consider getting a Switch 2.
I so hope that we can someday say there is no reason to buy a PS because everything is day and date on PC. And then get Nixes crushing those ports and all the fps will be mine in ultrawide glory.there is absolutely no reason to get an Xbox these days if you have a gaming PC. It was widely said 3-4 years ago and nothing MS has done since has proven otherwise.
And, you know, I hope Sony is watching this unfold closely.
But they made sure to put the asterisk that it isn't console warring. So it's different right?Oh look, another concerned gamer with only good Intentions opening a thread.
Dark silicon. Any day now.Still waiting for the right tools i guess.
I’m over 40 and the OG XBOX era depended mostly of the efforts from SEGA and a few gems (Otogi, Blinx, Phantom Dust, or some weird dark japanese games such as SMT Nine, Magatama or NUDE) besides Halo, Fable and PGR. Back then XBOX lacked of most of the third party support, and they had some bland entries such as Brute Force, Fusion Frenzy, etc..and while MS did what they needed to do they were third. Nostalgia plays a big role when thinking about OG XBOX, and hey I still keep mine but let’s be honest it was MS first attempt competing against Sony (at their momentum) and Nintendo
Obviously the 360 era was their best, but the lack of expertise in gaming burst that bobble and they lost the momentum.
Nowadays MS has a lot of game studios, they have great hardware, good services, though again the lack of expertise in console gaming its hitting them. They should just hire people with this expertise in order to be successful, but I will be surprised if they do instead of internal promotions.
Whether many people like it or not, MS has managed to improve XBO trainwreck but they have a lot of work to do
I couldn't say that they will fix the myriad of problems at ABK, but it's certainly in their best interests to. At this point, CoD is a shadow of its former self. It is possible that PlayStation can develop its own "Cod killer" over the next decade. While I don't for a moment believe that Sony's first party will ever be able to develop a game that will rival the peak of CoD, it doesn't really have to. While PlayStation certainly makes a pretty penny off the back of CoD, at the end of the day, they're only reaping 30% of its revenue on their own platform. If PlayStation could get something going from its first party studios where they get to keep 100% of the money, and it can perform at the level of say The Last Of Us or even Marvel's Spider-Man. then they will be in a good position on that front. This will take a long time to fine tune though. Probably talking several incarnations of a combined SP/MP title, or perhaps they'll try to work some of their live service magic into it. GaaS.When did that ever happen? Microsoft couldn't fix Bethesda's games, their own games, why would they be able to do it with ABK?
If we look at their track record, computer says no. *cough*
It also seems worth noting that after 22 years in the console gaming space, Microsoft still seems to have little to no grasp of what console gamers really want, and after two decades of spinning their wheels they've now simply decided to just buy their way to victory by acquiring gigantic swaths of the market explicitly to cock block their content from their competitors. In most industries, when that happens, anti-trust laws come into play to prevent exactly that. But for some reason all the courts and regulating bodies around the world have decided there's nothing anti-competitive nor anti-consumer for a platform holder to do this. And I don't think it would magically become perfectly okay if it were Sony or Nintendo doing this either. But this is the world we live in now.MS entered the console games market to prevent Sony from dominating in the living room. Well, it turns out that future scenario never happened, because mobile phones and tablets became much more important. Then MS thought that streaming devices were going to become all-important entertainment centers and they used Xbox to corner that market. Well, that didn't happen either. This generation MS got it into their mind that game streaming subscription services are the next big thing and Gamepass should be for gaming what Netflix is for movies and tv shows. So far that didn't pan out either.
MS is a games company only because of FOMO. They entered a market that's completely irrelevant to them considering MS' core business is selling solutions for enterprises (i.e. Office 365, Azure and Windows) and yet the company has now spent 75+ billion dollars so they can better compete with Sony in the consumer video games market.
Where are the Call of Duty exclusives right now ?Ms bought bethesda and activsion so by default they should dominate right, with all those so called exclusives?
Sony and Nintendo are so entrenched in the mindset of people no amount of exclusives will get ms back on track which is why they are desperately trying to be the defacto source for cloud gaming. No cod on playstation, their users will just play some other fps and someone will take advantage of that.
Right now only colossal fuck ups by Sony will give ms a chance to come back.
ms fucked up the xbox one launch with their always online and gamesharing strategy which caused ppl to jumpship and never come back.
If ms launched xbox one with their current gamepass/for the gamers identity things wouldve been more even last gen even with the shitty exclusives.
I dont think Sony or Microsoft has good exclusives. MS is focused too much on services and Sony is focused on movie games that are overrated garbage. Both need to improve.
TBF, current gen hasn't released many good MP games. Name one that is arguably better with as complete a MP package. Most MP games people are playing were released last gen. I suppose you could argue Halo isn't a current-gen game since it's cross-gen, but it was released in the current gen.
Is he trying to sell me gamepass? Looks like a happy shill.
Nice post man, kudos.
I have to insist though, those were some truly nice exclusives, it's not about nostalgia, I mean, heck, finished Panzer dragoon Orta 3 times 2 years ago via xbox BC, same with Ninja Gaiden , Otogi etc...
Good games are good games and stand out the test of time
Regarding the XSX/XSS generation, sure mate, there's nice things/features like GP, BC and Quick resume but - and this is the thing - you can have all the nice features in the world but when your software is lacking...dunno, the XSX is the only console i've ever sold, after 2.5 years, i just couldn't anymore with the nth metroidvania/indie game, i just had my fill...
Halo Infinite was...what it was, personally, i found it forgettable, finished it once on Heroic, played about 20 hours of MP and that was it.Flight sim i played for about 8-10 hours until i got bored, it's just a niche title catered towards a very specific demographic.Don't play Forza games (racing games in general).
The Medium and Scorn i enjoyed but they're not exactly games that you buy a console for.
Fun fact : the games i enjoyed more were from the "shitty" XONE era (Quantum break/Ryse son of Rome/Gears 4 + 5/Sunset overdrive/halo 5)
...personal opinion and all that obviously,
Cheerio
Exclusives do matter, and that's why Nintendo has 20 first-party games which are 10 million+ sellers on Switch and the Switch itself has outsold both PS4 + XBone combined the previous gen and is easily going to outsell the PS5 + XSeX combined this gen.
The reality is Nintendo is the ruler of gaming because they have all the exclusives that matter. Sony and Microsoft are out there fighting for the scraps.
not quite , a movie is coming soon.....................Serious question is gears of war dead?
not quite , a movie is coming soon.....................
This argument used to hold weight for me, but it doesn't anymore. Although I recognize that objectively, Sony has the upper hand in terms of exclusives, I have been disappointed by their handling of them (Horizon, Uncharted, TLoU, God of War, Ratchet & Clank, and Spider-Man). There are two ways to look at this question -- "objectively" (e.g., sales, metacritic scores, awards) and subjectively (personal preference). Subjectively, I would put MS and Sony on the same level at this point -- neither of them have an exclusive line-up that appeals to me.
Serious question is gears of war dead?
Feels like they will start to heat it up next year. I assume we'll see something from The Coalition in June 24, and yeah, that movie is in the works. I think it's good that the franchise has been away for a while. It's good to miss things. Hopefully we get a collection too, as PC could really use a way to play all the games.Serious question is gears of war dead?
If this actually existed, it would be the best bad movie ever made.not quite , a movie is coming soon.....................
Nintendo always had those exclusives games, yet N64, GameCube and WiiU sold like shit.
Nintendo finds massive success when they release console targeted at casual/mainstream market. That's exactly what they did with Wii and Switch (and tried with WiiU).
The problem with reflecting inward to make a point about consoles/games is that these products have a specified metric for success. A metric which Microsoft, particularly during the 360 era, lauded and promoted. Once Microsoft began to fail and collapse in those metrics, they went through backflips in their quarterly reporting to try and redefine those metrics. The problem with that tactic is that the metrics were too well engrained.
Claiming that "subjectively" MS and Sony are on the same level is a falsehood when compared to the actual market. One is so behind their own low ball projections that internally, they've given themselves until 2027 to right the ship or get out of hardware entirely.
TBF, current gen hasn't released many good MP games. Name one that is arguably better with as complete a MP package. Most MP games people are playing were released last gen. I suppose you could argue Halo isn't a current-gen game since it's cross-gen, but it was released in the current gen.
The problem with reflecting inward to make a point about consoles/games is that these products have a specified metric for success. A metric which Microsoft, particularly during the 360 era, lauded and promoted. Once Microsoft began to fail and collapse in those metrics, they went through backflips in their quarterly reporting to try and redefine those metrics. The problem with that tactic is that the metrics were too well engrained.
Claiming that "subjectively" MS and Sony are on the same level is a falsehood when compared to the actual market. One is so behind their own low ball projections that internally, they've given themselves until 2027 to right the ship or get out of hardware entirely.
One is so behind their own low ball projections that internally, they've given themselves until 2027 to right the ship or get out of hardware entirely.
You 'wish'? You are a raging ps fanboy... You are fooling noone.I only wish Xbox had “boring” exclusives like those titles mentioned
Yet this old man continues playing CoD (no offense)
These games are not new really, which is the sad part. I mean just take the list that you wrote here:You’re right that the most played multiplayer games released before the current console gen.
Still, Halo Infinite’s online fell off a cliff. Even on the Xbox where it should do best it’s out of the top ten.
So personally I’d say
Lost Ark
Counter Strike 2
Splatoon 2 and 3
Diablo 4
Hunt Showdown
Sea of Thieves are all bigger
Halo’s not even in the top 100 on Steam.
It is perfectly OK for people to put Sony and MS on the same level subjectively. That is the entire point of subjective opinions - it is their personal opinion and not an objective fact. I would mimic their claim as I find both Sony and MS to be behind in the first party/exclusive front as neither have impressed me for years, outside of the rare gem like Pentiment or Astrobot.
I'm at 150 hrs in Exoprimal this year.People that are still playing these games have done so for a long time. I'm sure they would jump at a new novel mp experience if they could. We need some new blood!
The problem here is that we're not dealing with subjectivity. These are publicly traded companies with defined objectives and quarterly reports which demonstrate, publicly, their pre-defined strategy and objectives. To equivocate the two is misleading. And goes against the fact. What makes matters worse is that for almost a year, Microsoft has been on a global tour where they themselves, demonstrate that when it comes to comparisons, the two gaming divisions are not the same...
I'm talking about submitted documents to courts and regulators which explicitly state how bad the XB division is failing. Brad Smith himself at one point used the word "collapse" when talking about their shrinking market share and presence in territories beyond the USA Saying "I think" they're on the same level is an outright falsehood.
Just like me saying "I think" 1+1=3 - Despite knowing that it doesn't.
On steamdb it shows less than 400 ppl total playing, and it's charting further down. This isn't a success, but I'm glad you're enjoying it.I'm at 150 hrs in Exoprimal this year.
That's usually how I find the good stuff.This isn't a success
Of course, novelty demo I was bored in minutes.
I'm talking about submitted documents to courts and regulators which explicitly state how bad the XB division is failing. Brad Smith himself at one point used the word "collapse" when talking about their shrinking market share and presence in territories beyond the USA Saying "I think" they're on the same level is an outright falsehood.
Why are the Sony warriors so concerned about Microsoft? And also I can play most of the games you mentioned on PC
Pretty much. Xbox just isn't a popular or well sorted brand, much like Microsoft's own consumer based products. Its just their PC stuff is mandatory for business, work and education.It’s just uncool. It went from weird upstart, hardcore, Sega-influenced, pc-bridging, cutting edge, community-driven…
…to just lame corporate vibes.
I see post like this and am reminded people like you can voteGames Matter.
Luckily Xbox has the biggest first party line up in history.
For me XSX shines with its last generation enhancements, carried on over from the X1X, with the addition in some cases of having Auto HDR too. Having an advantage over some of those same titles on the PS. Which are relying on the PS4 Pro lesser enhancements. But beyond that, I dont think I've anything more recent installed anymore. The haptics and adaptive triggers have me buying everything on the PS5 instead. The promised performance advantage of the XSX just hasnt materialised.Nice post man, kudos.
I have to insist though, those were some truly nice exclusives, it's not about nostalgia, I mean, heck, finished Panzer dragoon Orta 3 times 2 years ago via xbox BC, same with Ninja Gaiden , Otogi etc...
Good games are good games and stand out the test of time
Regarding the XSX/XSS generation, sure mate, there's nice things/features like GP, BC and Quick resume but - and this is the thing - you can have all the nice features in the world but when your software is lacking...dunno, the XSX is the only console i've ever sold, after 2.5 years, i just couldn't anymore with the nth metroidvania/indie game, i just had my fill...
Halo Infinite was...what it was, personally, i found it forgettable, finished it once on Heroic, played about 20 hours of MP and that was it.Flight sim i played for about 8-10 hours until i got bored, it's just a niche title catered towards a very specific demographic.Don't play Forza games (racing games in general).
The Medium and Scorn i enjoyed but they're not exactly games that you buy a console for.
Fun fact : the games i enjoyed more were from the "shitty" XONE era (Quantum break/Ryse son of Rome/Gears 4 + 5/Sunset overdrive/halo 5)
...personal opinion and all that obviously,
Cheerio
That isn’t quite true. The failures of those platforms primarily can be broken down into its proprietary storage and lack of proper third party support.
N64 struggled due to its Cartridges. Many devs moved to disc-based consoles and platforms due to the increased storage capacity.
Gamecube struggled due to its proprietary discs as well and its lack of features compared to PS2/Xbox which could both play DVDs and CDs, both of which were very popular at the time and were growing in popularity.
Wii U sold like shit due to its awful name, mediocre first party titles, and complete lack of quality third party releases. On top of that, many were confused on what the Wii U even *was*, many thinking it was an add-on to the Wii.
The problem with reflecting inward to make a point about consoles/games is that these products have a specified metric for success. A metric which Microsoft, particularly during the 360 era, lauded and promoted. Once Microsoft began to fail and collapse in those metrics, they went through backflips in their quarterly reporting to try and redefine those metrics. The problem with that tactic is that the metrics were too well engrained.
Claiming that "subjectively" MS and Sony are on the same level is a falsehood when compared to the actual market. One is so behind their own low ball projections that internally, they've given themselves until 2027 to right the ship or get out of hardware entirely.
I was able to play Gears 5 on my 2019 laptop at 1080P 60FPS no problem. That was a major push for Series X back in 2020.there is absolutely no reason to get an Xbox these days if you have a gaming PC. It was widely said 3-4 years ago and nothing MS has done since has proven otherwise.
And, you know, I hope Sony is watching this unfold closely.
Needs one more addition:not quite , a movie is coming soon.....................
You're not grasping the distinction between objective and subjective. Objective refers to stuff like numbers of games, metacritic averages, sales numbers, and awards. Subjective refers to personal opinion, personal preference and taste.
You are trying to tell me that my personal preference/opinion/taste is wrong, based on objective criteria. It doesn't work that way.
I have no interest in directing your subjective opinion. If it came across that way, that's my bad. My point is that we have metrics that define success and at every turn, both publicly to regulators and judicially, Microsoft have detailed how much of a catastrophe their gaming division is. I'm not sure how, given all we know about the true state of their business, anyone can claim they're on the same level of their competition.