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What should Square Enix do to make Final Fantasy relevant again?
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Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Reminds me of Emerald Weapon:A Gundam Kashyatria inspired outfit?
Music is FF's least problem. And Sakaguchis two "big" recent games were Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey - not really convincing material at all.
maverick40
Junior Member
It needs a new game designers, art directors, gameplay directors fucking everything to be relavant again.
what do you guys meant by relevant?
I got this from GAF, and hey, sex sells
if what you meant by relevant is not the 'sales', then 'better story and story writing' since I got a headache trying to understand what FFXIII is trying to tell
You can't try to be sexy when you still have "Fuck Off" written on your forehead, lol...
They definitely need to lose the corridor maps. A radical new art, design and music direction would be really refreshing too. I don't outright hate all Nomura's designs, but I'm oversaturated on them currently. Have someone else have a stab at them. Regarding music, give some young, new composers the job. Chrono Trigger was Mitsuda's first big project, look how that turned out.
I'd absolutely love it if they'd dare too completely disregard everything they did visually/storywise before with every new title. If XV is once again a title with almost photo-realistic graphics, high-fantasy urban setting with modern elements and (semi) realistic character models and a rather serious story, have XVI be old-school medieval or Renaissance, with more countryside locations, cartoony/sd-esque characters and a bit more light-hearted. If XV is focussing on a single hero and his small team of sidekicks, have XVI have a large cast again with a lot of freedom to build your team. Go from Action RPG to classic turn-based, from a focus on cinematic storytelling to a more loose, open world. Hell, blow my mind with a complete city in the vein of Assassin's Creed before you let me loose on the rest of the world. Variety is the spice of life and lately, it's rather absent in Final Fantasy.
I'd absolutely love it if they'd dare too completely disregard everything they did visually/storywise before with every new title. If XV is once again a title with almost photo-realistic graphics, high-fantasy urban setting with modern elements and (semi) realistic character models and a rather serious story, have XVI be old-school medieval or Renaissance, with more countryside locations, cartoony/sd-esque characters and a bit more light-hearted. If XV is focussing on a single hero and his small team of sidekicks, have XVI have a large cast again with a lot of freedom to build your team. Go from Action RPG to classic turn-based, from a focus on cinematic storytelling to a more loose, open world. Hell, blow my mind with a complete city in the vein of Assassin's Creed before you let me loose on the rest of the world. Variety is the spice of life and lately, it's rather absent in Final Fantasy.
influentzar
Member
the only bad thing about Versus is that the game itself is 'future-compatible', and all that waiting for several years turns people off. And then FFXIII comes and 'BAM'! the whole 'FF nowadays sucks' problem
Or maybe your expecting too little.
I have faith in everything I've read and in the talented team making FF XV.
This is not the team that made XIII, have a little positivity.
what do you guys meant by relevant?
I got this from GAF, and hey, sex sells
if what you meant by relevant is not the 'sales', then 'better story and story writing' since I got a headache trying to understand what FFXIII is trying to tell
DracoBlade
Member
Tabata isn't a combat system designer.
I know I just meant his direction towards more..."player engaging" (treading lightly here not to say acton-y) combat
Triggerhappytel
Member
Sales do not correlate to quality though. From a quick check in Metacritic, Final Fantasy XIII and XIV appear to be the most poorly rated mainline instalments since FFV, and Square Enix are desperate to push Lightning and the XIII universe, despite not many people really seeming to care about them.
NinjaCarrot
Member
What the actual fuck
CosmicGroinPull
Member
I'm optimistic about XV. Will wait and see what happens first. It looks like the first proper leap for Final Fantasy since PS1 days, as long as it remains 'open world' (FFs since X have seemed gimped in this aspect).
As for Toriyama, if XV does well I think he'll gradually fade into the background. Or get relegated to making 'pervy' Final Fantasy spin-offs (hopefully).
As for Toriyama, if XV does well I think he'll gradually fade into the background. Or get relegated to making 'pervy' Final Fantasy spin-offs (hopefully).
influentzar
Member
they are just too lazy to do any expression, which I will say 'they also do fanservice half-assed, why are you hoping the story would be awesome?'.
I mean emulate FFX in the feel of that game. FFX had great characters, great music and a good story. I can't even remember the names of the characters in FF12 except for Balthair or what the story was about. And personally I'd rather not see them go with a offline MMO gameplay because i feel its the wrong direction.
But from FF12 they need to take the open word, the towns etc because that was amazing instead of the more closed areas of FFX.
Wow tis is so not true. FF7 was a ground breaking achievement when it came and stood above most games of its time. The moment you walk out of Midgar and realize the game has just begun is an amazing moment. It also has some of the best songs in the series and a testament to how great that game is that I can go pick it up today and still enjoy the game. The same can't be said for FF13.
ZiZ
Member
Sazh was great, Fang was good, hell I could even tolerate Vanille, but Lightning, Hope and Snow were terrible, I hated every second they were on screen and every word that came out of their mouth, they ruined it for the other characters.
you could have the best chef in the world but the meal will be terrible, if the waiter shits all over your food.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Square should release a FFVII port on PS4 and add DLC for it.
$5 per X playable character in HD
$15 for disc 2
$30 for disc 3
$25 for unlocking Omnislash at the end
$50 to peek inside the dressing room when Aeris is changing clothes in the Wall Market
$100 to reveal what really happened between Tifa and Cloud near the end dungeon, outside of Highwind.
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Deleted member 20920
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She's LIGHTNING, Rose of Toriyama, more than human, perhaps a goddess. Doomed to be dressed by unseen gods for eternity. Bhunivelze always wanted to be the god of fashion but after he failed he decided world domination and killing of his mother was the better plan
No doubt, but do you blame anyone for doing that ?
What was the last good game that came out of SE's internal studio's ?
I think there is good reason to be negative.
Yeah there's a reason to be negative I get that. But my personal opinion is that the reason is now invalid because = no more Toriyama.
The ambitious feels I get from XV and Nomura is the same feeling I got when I first saw FFVII. Not surprising since some of the team worked on FVII. I have a good feeling.
(Also I would probably buy a game for Yoko Shimomura's soundtrack alone haha)
You're right, I am trying hard to think of the last good Square game and I am drawing a blank. Neir maybe but I think that was no internal square studio. Probably one of the probably one of the portable games if they were internal, FF Agito?
DracoBlade
Member
This^. I have a good feeling about this one. Nomura, Tabata, Shimomura....best assembly of talent at SE for the past 8 years.
I'm not sure how that really has anything to do with Tabata considering how XV was Versus and was under the direction of Nomura and the combat designers responsible for KH and KH2, which were... action RPGs. Tabata is a good director though, and if he somehow brings on Nakazawa to XV for the battle direction rather than leaving the KH guys in charge, we'll probably have a much more fun game. Not sure if that's going to happen though. Someone should ask.
influentzar
Member
Where's the famed Luminous Engine comes in? That should lessen their loads on graphics a bit, and have a leeway for fleshing out the story and characters.
(I believe XV doesn't use that since it's literally Versus renamed)
(I believe XV doesn't use that since it's literally Versus renamed)
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Why would I give them money for a sequel to a game which is literally one of the worst video games I have ever experienced? I know I'm not the only one who wishes we had seen something else from Final Fantasy instead of XIII-2 and XIII-3.
As for XIV, the original release was a massive disaster for a reason: the game sucked. I only played the beta and I'm not claiming to have played XIV extensively, that doesn't mean I can't form an opinion on it. There's a reason so many reaction pics exist of "Online" showing up under FF XIV.
I've hated every bit of SE's Final Fantasy output this generation, and it breaks my heart because I used to adore the IP, and Final Fantasy VIII is still to this day my favorite game of all time, but I can only waste so much of my time and money trying to give them chance after chance to rectify their shit. When it's apparent that Toriyama is just making games to jack-off to, then I don't need to touch that product to know I'll personally hate it. It's like saying "YOU DIDN'T LIKE TWILIGHT SO YOU THINK NEW MOON IS JUST AS AWFUL? YOU HAVEN'T READ IT!" Fuck that noise.
Law Abiding Stranger
Banned
What resonates the most with me about FFXV is the art direction and not overdesigned characters.
I quite like the "t-shirt+pants" approach.
Most of FF13 cast looked like they fell into washing-machine.
I quite like the "t-shirt+pants" approach.
Most of FF13 cast looked like they fell into washing-machine.
The engine isn't done. They've said they're literally developing XV and Luminous at the same time, and hoping to take advantage of the engine more as it develops. Sounds like FFXIII and Crystal Tools all over again honestly. Hopefully this time it ends up actually working.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Didn't Wada say that (with Crystal/White engine), a remake of FFVII would take 10 years to make? Let's hope that it's achievable in less than that with Luminous Engine!
AgentLampshade
Member
Release XV.
Impeccable
Member
It's not irrelevant though.
influentzar
Member
This confirms my suspicion of 'real-time tech demo' being rendered and not really real-time at all or actually runs at alien-level PC.The engine isn't done. They've said they're literally developing XV and Luminous at the same time, and hoping to take advantage of the engine more as it develops. Sounds like FFXIII and Crystal Tools all over again honestly. Hopefully this time it ends up actually working.
Although the chances are slim, I hope it'll be better than Fox Engine, so any new FF can be better.
XV is one of the crystal trilogy, once called Versus
influentzar
Member
[It's a double post, thanks for reading]
Sorry, I have to take exception with this. ALL FF games for their time were about graphics and cutscenes. Statements like this show me you were not around when FF I-VI came out.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Can't delete a post. If it was a double post, you could simply edit it and say that it was a double post.
DracoBlade
Member
I'm not sure how that really has anything to do with Tabata considering how XV was Versus and was under the direction of Nomura and the combat designers responsible for KH and KH2, which were... action RPGs. Tabata is a good director though, and if he somehow brings on Nakazawa to XV for the battle direction rather than leaving the KH guys in charge, we'll probably have a much more fun game. Not sure if that's going to happen though. Someone should ask.
True, well said. I just think there's a specific reason Tabata was recruited as co-director and It's highly plausible because he merged great direction, a blend of action and the traditional in Crisis Core and even Type-0. The stories of which both imo surpass FFXIII in coherency and actual genuine interest/dynamic characters with actual characterization. It's almost as if Sqeenix is promoting him, pretty big leap from PSP to Co-directing the next core FF. He's earned the spot.
That game already exists, and it's one of the best games ever made- FFT.
So put the FF12 team in charge again, but less MMO. That could work.
Based on what the interviews have said, it seems more like he's getting demoted honestly. His reward for being able to be efficient in directing significant games and managing relatively large teams is that he now gets to do the management job for Nomura.
Seems like the Murata situation over at Kojima Productions, where his reward for making ZoE2 a great game is to be stuck as Kojima's co-director for MGS4 and Peace Walker instead of getting to lead his own games anymore. I bet he's stuck on MGS5 now too.
Law Abiding Stranger
Banned
Do you think it's possible to give Tabata a chance and let him direct next mainline FF?
The next mainline FF will probably go into production before XV is released.
Nah nah nah.
I mean yeah FFT is a master piece but that wouldn't sell. It has to have the dark occidental HF mood without the complicated politico/familial story, but a simpler and well told story as in the VI.
influentzar
Member
who makes FFT Advance? Is it another team?
what do you guys meant by relevant?
I got this from GAF, and hey, sex sells
I'm almost certain this win pose is straight out of another game, perhaps it's X-2 just like parts of the outfit. At best, the complaint here was that Lightning shouldn't be doing sexy stuff because it breaks her 'asshole' persona. People with an agenda were quite happy to spin this, I could be wrong about the origin of course.
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Final Fantasy is not irrelevant, it's less relevant due to various factors such as demographic changes, market changes, technology changes, non-Japanese developers,etc. They are not the only ones feeling the sting.
Besides their own internal problems, I would say the now delusional vocal fanbase they built during their 'glory days' is as much of a problem in itself, they can't win at this point. It isn't 1997 anymore, things have changed. I do think Final Fantasy could be - relatively speaking - big again, by not being Final Fantasy, like a safe 'AAA' action title sprinkled with a Final Fantasy flavour. The dreamers and the media will eat it up.
Sadly that went out the window when Matsuno left and Ito was given a new job position doing pencil sharpening for Toriyama.
Law Abiding Stranger
Banned
It's just that SE's talent is very thin at the moment and I am not so sure I would like to see Toriyama direct another FF unless he gets over his obsession.
Nomura will surely move full time onto KH3 once FFXV is done.
influentzar
Member
It's indeed from Lightning Return, called Misty Wizard outfit. But hey, I can be wrong.