wild wild rice
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That's a tiiiiiny image so I can't really read anything, but I do love Pikmin 3.
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What we know so far about the Nintendo NX with sources
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MAtgS
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KH3 too please? & for that matter 2.8 so I don't have to buy a PS4?
KH3 isn't coming out for a decade.
FFVII, the game that left Nintendo for Sony. Now returns to Nintendo. Come on, this stuff writes itself.
Yes and no. I think it was more a software issue than hardware, in my opinion. The Gamepad is neat; it's big and isn't a looker, but functionally it has potential. Had they had Super Mario Maker and Minecraft Wii U Edition with well-integrated Gamepad functionality at launch things would've been different.
You would still have other problems, including price and brand confusion, but in terms of making people understand why you'd want one in the first place the Wii U would've had something. You could look at Mario Maker and how it used that screen, and you'd get it, thinking "I can't do that on my Wii". What they had instead was NSMBU which at a glance looked identical to the Wii-game and Nintendo Land which was a bit of a non-entity without the immediate appeal and simplicity of Wii Sports.
There was so much more they could've done at launch. Conceptually on a hardware level it was there, they just didn't have the software. But as mentioned, there were of course more issues than that, I only touched on one.
ShockingAlberto
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Ahaha
wild wild rice
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Welp...it was fun while it lasted.
Oh shit.
Now Trev's source must come here and duke it out with Alberto for his honor.
Loser is banished from juicy rumor spreading for all time.
GhostTrick
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You know, the funny thing is on the hardware matter, people keep relying on the fact that SE announced that FFXIV and DQXI will/may have a NX version.
But the thing is both of these games exist for a lower class hardware. PS3 for FFXIV and 3DS for DQXI.
I think people will be pretty disappointed if NX is in fact twice... Slower... Than Xbox One. Basically I expect PS4 to be 3 times faster than NX, I believe NX home console will be in the 500 to 650 gflops range.
Trevelyan9999
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I didn't post this here though and wasn't planning to.
Are there good reasons against the conjecture that the NX home console might just have a pimped-up version (higher clock-speeds, maybe more GPU cores and memory bandwidth to support higher resolutions) of the hand-held chipset?
If it's on the internet it's gonna end up here. Thirsty Nintendo fans
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I mentioned in the original post it was a shaky rumor anyways.
I don't get the "handheld has to be dirt cheap" line of thinking. The 3DS XL comfortably outsold the cheaper standard 3DS in every territory. The 3DS itself only started to see a significant boost in its baseline sales months after the price drop when MK7, SM3DL and MH3U released. People just aren't that price sensitive with consoles. If the games are there and the price isn't exorbitant, then they'll buy it. The key is just making sure the games are there. Everything else is a distant second.
Trevelyan9999
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wild wild rice
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Alberto was laughing because NX is actually more powerful than the PS5.
Obliterator
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I expect it to be worse than PS4 hardware as well but specs that low would be absolutely pathetic. It would be borderline questionable on why even replace the Wii U at that level.
The NX handheld, obviously.
GhostTrick
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Because that would be 3 to 4 times faster than Wii U ?
Remember that it needs to be cheap and that their upcoming super gimmick is going to raise the price.
shrubsy_tree
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Obliterator
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Because that would be 3 to 4 times faster than Wii U ?
I mean I suppose but that is barely viable hardware, especially by the end of 2016. Idk but if they go that low I'll be skipping the console part of the NX generation at least. Will still pick up a handheld
It'll be better/newer hardware, it will likely not be clocked to the same heights (and likely not need it). Jaguars are pathetically inefficient, and the next step is what the GPU solution is vs. the PS4/X1's.
Because that would be 3 to 4 times faster than Wii U ?
Remember that it needs to be cheap and that their upcoming super gimmick is going to raise the price.
I still say this is nonsensical, and a baseless assumption even when looking at the WiiU.
Or NX is based off a well known architecture and has support from unity/UE4 so developers can code towards a target without devkits until the last moment
GhostTrick
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Its not nonsensical if they aim for a 200 dollars price point but also if they aim for high profit. The way I see it, it'll be about the games.
The console won't be 200$, the handheld will be. No way they launch a self-competing price point product to confuse people even more. They will have an "low barrier" handheld and a "luxury" console. I see no basis for this idea at all.
No one's going to buy a 200$ "inferior" machine. The X1 should be evidence enough to that fact and thats with the ability to compete on third and first party standings.
Even at 650 Gflops, the upgrade to GCN, a new 4-8 core CPU, and 6-8 GB RAM would make for a big improvement over Wii U. Wii U is really weak.
Personally, I'm hoping for 700 Gflops.
Alberto's laughs have been thoroughly examined by Gaf experts.
1 ha = Amusement
2 ha's = Declaration of falsehood.
3 ha's = 1st sign of the Apocalypse.
GhostTrick
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You got a point. The console will be 300 dollars, but only because of the gimmick they'll shoehorn.
A lot of people's wishful thinking is Nintendo making a powerful console again with 3rd parties on it. Its not happening. They'll do their own thing. Now, will they do it well, such as DS, Wii, 3DS or will they fail it like Wii U ?
I don't expect a 100$ gimmick this time around. The focus is clearly on software integration, ecosystem design, and perhaps some renovation on controller inputs. Even if they make a WiiU gamepad-lite, modern solutions with a small screen would run them ~30$ that they can sell as standalone solutions at a mark-up.
I am not even arguing about power, I am arguing that your estimates are out of this world in the entirely opposite direction and without any basis... exactly like the people who believe we're getting something NX > PS4. The best case scenario is a more efficient, lower "numerical score" console.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I don't believe any of you people and your silly sources but the dude with numbers in his name seems a pretty levelheaded dude not selling any hype or not trying too hard.
NinjaCoachZ
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I think it says something that, assuming Nintendo doesn't shit the bed, the thought of Final Fantasy VII being on NX isn't the least plausible thing to happen.
Eh PS4 isn't some all powerful thing that's dusting PCs leftcand right. It's fairly average (sloghtly below compared to modern pcs) tbh so it isn't hard for something coming a few years later to be as powerful or more in some aspects(CPU, GPU).
And the SCDs could be a wild factor here. Who knows howxot will play out.
And the SCDs could be a wild factor here. Who knows howxot will play out.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yeah, when it was rumored that the NX is more powerful than the PS4, my immediate response was "I would fucking hope so".
So you found your rumor. Fine. You're now one of us.
GhostTrick
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Free form screen on the controller. Expect this thing to raise the price. Also, expect the low power consumption to be back. 3 years after PS4One is a too small gap for Nintendo to bring something on the same level of performance. It took them 6 years with Wii U to be barely on par with PS360.
Their focus is software integration but to which extent ?
James Scott
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In a less obnoxious way I also mentioned that I doubt the validity of the rumor, at least XV/PS4+ power.
Don't see XV being made with the given time frame they're likely going to be given and although making the system more powerful than the PS4 is very doable I'm not sure Nintendo cares enough especially if they're focused on the shared library aspect.
Don't see XV being made with the given time frame they're likely going to be given and although making the system more powerful than the PS4 is very doable I'm not sure Nintendo cares enough especially if they're focused on the shared library aspect.
Yeah, expensive gimmicks hopefully don't come back. Unique input methods are welcome if they think they can improve gaming, but the gamepad didn't add enough for how expensive it made the package.
GhostTrick
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Gamepad wasnt a bad idea. Nintendo just was on a creativity bankrupt on Wii U. And when they had ideas, they were cautious. There were thousands of things to do with assymetrical gameplay or two screens.
Obliterator
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I mean my question is who is the market for that? Who do they realistically expect to go out and purchase the weakest "current" console in the market 2-3 years into this generation with specs that low? I don't see how they can build a console less than 1TF but I suppose they could. Would be a gigantic mistake imo though
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Retro is recording gunshots.
Lower power consumption definitely will NOT be back. That was a concession for the then hopeful Japanese "home" market which has completely collapsed, and since then they've been on record saying that consoles are a western product while handhelds are more conducive to Japan.
Again, no basis for these claims.
And here we go again.
It's a big die. Assuming Nintendo go for a single die for cost reasons, the only way they could reasonably be more powerful than PS4 would be if they went for a smaller process node with a large APU to get more transistors on. And I just can't see them being that aggressive - we still don't have big (or even medium) GPUs on 16/14nm yet.
GhostTrick
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I have a basis: Iwata's claims during a QA about how mobile and home console hardware are getting closer and how they consum less power. I need to find though.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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That's easy to say, probably way less easy to implement and execute.
GhostTrick
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James Scott
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I really like the gamepad and I think it has plenty of uses thanks to being a controller that can do everything, but it likely came at the wrong time making the system considerably more expensive than it should have been.
If they want to continue with dual screen gameplay, I'd advise making games that are improved if you own both the handheld and the console.
Obliterator
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If Nintendo are not aggressively pursuing 3rd party relationships they have learned nothing. And they cant do that with incredibly out dated hardware unless they have a major gimmick that explodes like motion controls did.
Parents will.
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