wild wild rice
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The thirst is so real. Let's hope today's NX news is as leaky as Yoshi's mouth.
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What we know so far about the Nintendo NX with sources
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The thirst is so real. Let's hope today's NX news is as leaky as Yoshi's mouth.
It's extremely unlikely Nintendo has the resources to corral two simultaneous launches (manufacturing, shipping etc) as well as get that space from retailers at the same time. Let's take the imagination hats off and let it soak in that a global launch of even one product in the same month probably isn't happening (you probably forgot this is the reality of almost all devices). If there's multiple devices then you'd expect it to get staggered by at least half a year so everyone can have enough space to get it done.
Yeah they'll probably split them a few months apart. Like Apple does with iPhone and iPad.
Jim_Cacher
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Yes.
I think you mean if the NX Console will play Wii U games, & I doubt it. PowerPC is both a dying breed & not handheld-friendly, so I don't think Nintendo will opt for that. Not to mention that Panasonic, the guys who made the disc drives & discs for Nintendo from the GameCube to the Wii U, aren't involved with the manufacturing of any of the NX devices (indicating that Nintendo will be going back to cartridges, which would make sense since there's the NX Handheld to consider). So yeah, don't get your hopes up.
That Goomba's face...I can't describe how perfect it is.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That would make sense if Console version wouldn't be out until mid-2017. With Smash/Bandai Namco rumor, they might have more time with Smash Port. It's hard to tell right now. *shrugs*
Do you think that NX handheld+console will sell better in the first months than PS4 or Wii?
Today's Nintendo is not able to handle what 2006 Nintendo did?
They produced 10 million Wii Us for launch.
I don't think they are mad enough to return to cartridges for a home console.For the handheld I don't really mind to be honest.
The fact that they changed company for creating discs might have an impact on compatibility with previous console games indeed :/
Launching two devices is not the same as launching the same amount of one.
Jim_Cacher
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Man, I think the news published recently could keep us busy in speculation for a while. I hope Nintendo will talk more about NX in the coming investor meeting, at least releasing a schedule for future info. The thirst is real, and a schedule may help make our life easier (or more difficult depends on how you look at it).
It'll be even better in 10 years; these threads never get it right.
Thanks for that Iwata quote... that's the other one I remember reading and was looking for. The "playing environments that different by country" really points to multiple SKUs and not just a hybrid, and also that "power efficient, small and quiet" may not be a priority for the home console SKU since it will be built for the overseas market most likely.
Digitimes never reported a breakdown of all the components of the NX and who supplied them, just some of the Chinese/Taiwanese suppliers.
Panasonic probably isn't going to be leaking information to them, so we can't say whether they're providing components for one of the NX SKUs or not yet.
Digitimes never reported a breakdown of all the components of the NX and who supplied them, just some of the Chinese/Taiwanese suppliers.
Panasonic probably isn't going to be leaking information to them, so we can't say whether they're providing components for one of the NX SKUs or not yet.
It would make sense, especially i they want the games between the handheld & the console to be shared. Kinda hard to do that if the two form factors use two different physical mediums. Not to mention that the guys who make the 3DS cartridges was mentioned amongst the manufacturers.
Hmm, that would make more sense from an install base point of view than having handheld launch first everywhere.
I doubt they would need the same amount in today's market.
The 3ds still sold way more than the Wii U in the US, no?
People just don't buy Nintendo consoles like they used to. I think launching the handheld worldwide will help them establish Japanese third party support while Western publishers say screw you Nintendo. Then they can launch the console worldwide and people will buy it because it has games to play. Then Western publishers will have to jump on the hype train. That's my theory.
People just don't buy Nintendo consoles like they used to. I think launching the handheld worldwide will help them establish Japanese third party support while Western publishers say screw you Nintendo. Then they can launch the console worldwide and people will buy it because it has games to play. Then Western publishers will have to jump on the hype train. That's my theory.
Given that, are you expecting them to just rip off that band-aid and launch both simultaneously?
Even then, it still wouldn't make sense to have a platform that shares most of its games between form factors release two of the same game in stores. It'd just be counter-intuitive.
I'm not sure if NX (assuming 2 devices) can outsell a PS4 or Wii but I think they will try. Wii in particular would have sold way more but was severely stock constrained. This is pretty typical even for less-than-stellar launches. Having two devices can also be a strain on consumers who have finite dollars so it's not clear multiple devices will make considerably more sales. They'll probably sell as many as they can make.
Today's Nintendo isn't significantly bigger than 2006 Nintendo. But more importantly there's all sorts of tablets, wearables, phones and computers that go through those production lines. Nintendo doesn't have unlimited access to those no matter how big they are so it's likely they'll need all of their lines producing the same thing to meet demand (it's also more efficient this way).
While it would be interesting if every Wii U today was made in the initial run, that's almost certainly not true but if you believe it, I'd ask for a source.
wild wild rice
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Good find, good point. Iwataaaaaaaaaa
A few months back, I would have agreed with you. Hell, I even suggested this. But considering that Nintendo's putting out more Wii U games from their developers than 3DS games (sans late localizations), I wouldn't be shocked if the NX Handheld dropped first worldwide.
Maybe I'm misreading your post, but doesn't the evidence at the end indicate the reveal would come in two months rather than next week?
AcademicSaucer
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Did the EA QA had any Nintendo mention?
But the disc drive in the Wii U is a single layer Blue Ray. That may be media constrained not drive constrained. So it may not matter about Panasonic one way or the other if the console has a optical drive. As for content sharing, or purchasing, what is to say they don't just sell games as dlc codes in game specific amiibos?
Herb Alpert
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One dude said they would put frostbite on NX, then everyone laughed and they moved on the next topic.
Because requiring online to get games with no means of purchasing said games offline wouldn't particularly end well for Nintendo (see Microsoft in 2013). The world isn't ready for a digital-only dedicated gaming system (that isn't just a variant of one with a means of playing physical copies).
I wouldn't be shocked either...
..but if Zelda Wii U is also coming to NX...I could see why they might think it would be a strong way to launch their new home console in the west.
GameCube and Wii and Wii U were the third Sunday of each November. Black Friday is usually the same time frame.
I bet the NX handheld or console, whichever launches first, will launch the third Sunday of November 2016. Which is November 20th, 2016.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Thread will be 50% non-multiplat folks pointing and laughing though
So like every console reveal then
GCN - 11/18/01, BF - 11/23/01
Wii - 11/19/06, BF - 11/24/06
Wii U - 11/18/12, BF - 11/23/12
Oddly, I remembered GCN as launching ~1 week earlier. I remember standing in line for it. I guess that's the last console I stood in line for. It wasn't a long line. It was at a Target in Buffalo, NY. I got Rogue Leader II which wasn't my thing at all, and LM which was fun but super short. So I felt a slight sinking feeling of disappointment. I was super into SSBM soon after, though. And WW and PMTTYD more than justified the console for me.
Anyway, my point was solely that BF is at least ~1 week after launch. I just meant I didn't expect a system to launch the actual BF weekend. BF helps with hype but I can see why they don't usually launch that same weekend with all the other hype going on, and especially at a time like this where we'll see...$200 PS/X systems? We saw $250 last year. So they don't want to directly go up against that any more than they already will be.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I mean, personally I doubt it, but yeah it's clear they've designed this whole platform around having a unified software environment but addressing the completely different popular paradigms around the world.
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Yeah I've said it will probably launch both SKU's a few months apart. If they both launch in 2016 then the handheld needs to be released September and the console in November. But that would be a retail nightmare
We don't know. But based on patents and the smash coming to NX rumor, and using some logic, it won't. The architecture of the Wii U is old and is going to be abandoned completely. The NX will be a fresh start with modern architectures that are similar to PC, PS4 and XB1.
I've said this a few times.
Japan gets the handheld in November and we get the console.
Than in March we get the handheld and they get the console.
Thanks for this. So it's usually the weekend before Black Friday. Close enough lol.
wild wild rice
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I hope that rumor about the massive amount of units being produced is true so there isn't a shortage at launch.
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Rösti
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There was no comment regarding NX in the Q3 2016 Electronic Arts Earnings Call.
Yeah that's a mistake on his part. The precedent for Nintendo is to talk about it in April but not actually reveal it until E3. But they usually do that 18 months before release and this thing is coming out in 2016.
Also, this is the first console launch where Nintendo has Nintendo directs established and doesn't do E3 press conferences. So I would imagine a public Nintendo only event will be announced at the financial briefing on February 2nd, much like Sony's PS4 reveal in February 2013. It will probably be in April and won't talk about price but will talk about the new gimmicks, sku's, OS features, possibly specs, and some games being made for it.
Then at E3 it'll be the full blowout. Price, release dates, free online, account system, you can play used games, launch day titles, launch window titles, unprecedented etc.
ARM is great and it will most likely be that. But it will be similar to the x86 in porting over code and such. Either way PowerPC is RIP in peace. which means no hardware backwards compatibility.
It's interesting to me how many people actively cheer on the idea of not having backwards compatibility. From the standpoint of a consumer, isn't it actively better to be able to get rid of your old machines, but not the games you played on them (and given the size of most people's backlogs, are probably still playing)? I know a few people personally who have skipped out on a PS4 thus far simply because they still have PS3 games to play through...
Like, obviously from the manufacturer's point of view, BC is an unnecessary expense, but consider in this case that an NX kept aloft early on mostly by ports of WiiU games (like everyone seems to want) is just essentially asking current WiiU owners (the only people absolutely guaranteed to buy an NX in the first place) to re-buy games they already own. That's... pretty unkind to the only people who were actually willing to continue supporting a dead-on-arrival console.
Like, obviously from the manufacturer's point of view, BC is an unnecessary expense, but consider in this case that an NX kept aloft early on mostly by ports of WiiU games (like everyone seems to want) is just essentially asking current WiiU owners (the only people absolutely guaranteed to buy an NX in the first place) to re-buy games they already own. That's... pretty unkind to the only people who were actually willing to continue supporting a dead-on-arrival console.
Makes sense. But just making sure, does using an ARM architecture limit your options in terms of what GPUs Nintendo has access to for the NX Console?
The issue with Wii U BC on the NX Console is that not only would it require the PowerPC architecture (which is pretty much dead & can't be used on handhelds), but it'd require the NX Console to have an optical drive. And given the recent rumors of the 3DS cartridge manufacturer working on the NX Platform, Nintendo may be moving towards cartridges across the board for the NX Platform & its devices. So yeah, don't get your hopes up for Wii U BC on the NX Console. Maybe we could see 3DS BC (as per the ARM architecture), but it'd require the NX Handheld to have two screens.
blu
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BC should persevere as long as the tech required can be incrementally upgraded. As soon as that becomes a burden, BC should be let go. For real-life examples of how wrong things can go with 'ever-lasting BC', see x86 (hint: it has costed intel a market).
I mean, I know -why- the NX probably won't be backwards compatible, I just find it a little odd that people are... celebrating it, I guess?
I think cos it was reported one of the reasons the Wii U was weak is cos the requirement to make it backwards compatible. I don't remember the details, but it either forced them I to an older architecture that was worse despite not bing cheaper, or forced them use budget on chips to enable it (instead of on other stuff that would have made it more powerful)
I guess it's because it allows Nintendo to have a clean break from the Wii U & 3DS to focus on making the NX devices as powerful as possible without breaking the bank. Granted, they'll likely use ARM, the architecture used in Nintendo's handhelds, but the possibility of Nintendo doing away with the dual screens would constitute for the ditching of the DS brand (not to mention that it wouldn't fit very well in the name of the NX Console).
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