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Which film was worse...The Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones?
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For me the third one felt the least shitty when I saw it at the time.
yanipheonu
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Phantom Menace is enjoyable in a dumb action movie capacity, mostly off nostalgia.
Attack of the Clones is nigh unwatchable. NOTHING HAPPENS IN THAT MOVIE. You're either waiting for the awful love scenes to be over or you're waiting for the decent to mediocre action at the end.
Seriously, watch it again, it's aged so poorly, I was amazed.
Attack of the Clones is nigh unwatchable. NOTHING HAPPENS IN THAT MOVIE. You're either waiting for the awful love scenes to be over or you're waiting for the decent to mediocre action at the end.
Seriously, watch it again, it's aged so poorly, I was amazed.
Pretty much sums it up
onepiecefan
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AOTC, I re-watched both recently when they were on TV, both are poor, but AOTC is unbelievably bad.
The Phantom Menace really isn't anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be on here and other websites. Maybe it was something you had to be there for (the people who had been waiting decades for the return of Star Wars or something). It's a complete movie that tells a solid story that kids loved. Decent performances from Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Ian McDiarmid, and Natalie Portman (before she gave up in Clones). Great score. Great action sets. One of the best lightsaber duels in the saga. Great sense of wonder. Beautiful imagery throughout. It's almost insulting to compare it to Attack of the Clones which is just blah throughout the entire movie (excusing the brief moments at Kamino).
I can see an argument for preferring Revenge of the Sith to TFA honestly
Phantom is worse: child actor, Jar Jar, diet racist aliens, and a podracing scene that lasts way too long. But it does have Duel of the Fates
Clones isn't good and went over the top, and in the end both of them failed to build up their characters and make us care about 'em. It was hard to care about Qui Gon, Maul, or Annie/Anakin
Clones isn't good and went over the top, and in the end both of them failed to build up their characters and make us care about 'em. It was hard to care about Qui Gon, Maul, or Annie/Anakin
crazy monkey
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One that ruied darth wader is bad.
brandonh83
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Same, but then again I really loved ROTS. I think TFA is a better film though.
PdotMichael
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I would love to see that argument.
i have watched both fairly recently and, while both are extremely bad, i think the phantom menace is worse
jar jar binks is unbearable, anakin is annoying (although not nearly as bad as hayden christensen), and the movie itself actually tends to be racist as fuck
the prequels as a whole (rots can stay maybe) need to be removed from the star wars canon
jar jar binks is unbearable, anakin is annoying (although not nearly as bad as hayden christensen), and the movie itself actually tends to be racist as fuck
the prequels as a whole (rots can stay maybe) need to be removed from the star wars canon
Raiden1018
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Attack of The Clones is not merely the worst Star Wars movie ever made
But it may rank up there with one of the worst movies ever
But it may rank up there with one of the worst movies ever
brandonh83
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"At least it's not a remake" is mostly what you're gonna get. I don't agree with that but some feel that way.
Bubble Walrus
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Both brilliant and horrible. I like Phantom cause it looks beautiful. It looks like a FILM. 2 and 3 look like TV Shows.
"MUST...CGI...EVERYTHING"
BocoDragon
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That's literally true since Phantom was the only one shot on film
But I know what you mean. It's more than the camera used.
TFA is a better made movie but I like the plot of RotS better.
I saw RotS seven times in theaters and TFA three. It's just more "enjoyable" to me even if it's not as "good".
brandonh83
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Jar Jar doesn't bother me but there's nothing in the same spectrum of Jar Jar in TFA.
Raiden1018
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The prequels deserve crits but I don't think the diner is one of them. This is where Star Wars take place.
But yet the technology seems way more advanced than any of the original 3 films
Same. Maybe it was because I was a little kid when Menace came out but I've never had a problem with him.
It's supposed to be that way. It represents the degradation of society under the Empire.
Stop thinking of things in Star Wars literally and start thinking of them thematically. It's a space opera, not sci fi.
PM is one of the most boring movies I've ever seen.
Clones is offensive and cringy all the time
It's bad world building.
Clones is offensive and cringy all the time
It's bad world building.
Tomasoares
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Attack of the Clones is one the worst movie I've watched (it's not a hyperbole). The Phantom Menace is pretty bad too, though
Count Dookkake
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Lol. That's solid criticism. I am wounded.
It's....not? I don't really even know how to respond to this, because it's just not. I like Pablo's take on it.
Podracer scene and Darth Maul fight for sure.
Bubble Walrus
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Raiden1018
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I honestly dont understand whypeople love RoTS so much. IMO it ruined anakins character even more. It made him seem like he was tricked into killing children and the jedi he grew with for Padme. I mean... Did he think Padme wouldve just been with him and loved him knowing that he killed children and ultimately destroyed the legacy of the jedi? Also Obiwan in ANH always made it seem like Vader was seduced y the darkside tragically and betrayed the Jedi and the Republic. he didnt say he was tricked into becoming a mass murdering freak.
Also I actually hate that ending fight. there is 0 emotion and drags on for like 10 min. Its just 2 guys flinging lightsabers while explosions and lava go crazy in the background. Dont know why the battle had to be epic beyond belief.
The worst things about the prequels is that I didnt care about anakin at all. I even hated him kindof. I also hated yoda and the emperor having a lightsaber, I hated to overuse of CGI, I hated almost everything
AoTC is fucking awful. Truly horrific. But honestly I find RoTS almost as bad. Wooden acting, nonsensical motivation for Anakin that just makes him seem like a complete idiot, and THEN he goes on to kill a good 20 fucking 4 year olds. Now I know Darth Vader is a baddie, but Star Wars lost its innocence in that terrible scene. I really don't think we needed that at all. You simply can't see Anakin doing that, his turn to the dark side and his acting is so bad it makes no sense.
Basically TPM actually feels like a Star Wars movie these days. Nonsensical plotting with padme and her double, never knew what was up there, she starts with a weird accent then just becomes American..? But it had good action, kind of decent pacing. Had a great look to it that the plasticky CGI riddled next two films couldn't match.. podrace was cool as fuck and still is and Maul V Obi Wan was an epic fast paced duel. AoTC lightsabre battle was awful, ROTS ridiculous.
Basically TPM actually feels like a Star Wars movie these days. Nonsensical plotting with padme and her double, never knew what was up there, she starts with a weird accent then just becomes American..? But it had good action, kind of decent pacing. Had a great look to it that the plasticky CGI riddled next two films couldn't match.. podrace was cool as fuck and still is and Maul V Obi Wan was an epic fast paced duel. AoTC lightsabre battle was awful, ROTS ridiculous.
Raiden1018
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Well its hard to get used to the completely different look of the prequels when you grew up watching the original movies and falling in love with them. It doesnt really tie together. The weapons are more advanced, the fighters are more advanced, the droid designs are way too advanced. To me it shows that Lucas went to crazy with the CG
brandonh83
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Sheev spent years trying to overthrow the Republic and Jedi. And did. I can imagine him reshaping things to not remind him of that time as he absolutely loathed it. There's also that apart from Tatooine we saw different planets in the prequels. The new ending to ROTJ also showed Naboo and Coruscant as they were. In the originals we only saw Tatooine which looked the same, Dagobah, Endor, Bespin (which is PT-ish IMO) and Hoth.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
That's a good tweet.It's....not? I don't really even know how to respond to this, because it's just not. I like Pablo's take on it.
I grew up with the OT and when I saw the prequels (I was 10 when TPM came out), I didn't think "This is so wrong, everything's too shiny and new!", I thought "Wow everything's so shiny and new, because the Empire didn't ruin it yet!"
I mean...it's not really that weird.
To Far Away Times
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Phantom Menace didn't work out well, but there was some good things in there.The pod racing scene is one of the best scenes in the prequel trilogy, Darth Maul was cool and any movie with Liam Neeson automatically gets a few bonus points.
Attack of the Clones didn't build on any of this though, and it feels half baked the entire time.
Attack of the Clones didn't build on any of this though, and it feels half baked the entire time.
Except the part where it's one of Liam Neeson's worst performances.
When I look back on the prequels, I try to look back on their individual moments rather than them as a whole. If you look at them that way, it becomes about their highlights rather than their lower moments, and I would say that Attack of the Clones, for me, would be a better film, because there were individual parts that I liked more in it. The Phantom Menace had the podracing scene and the lightsaber battle at the end; apart from that, it isn't as successful. Attack of the Clones had, as CG-fest as it was, the Clone War battle, Yoda battle, the sonic boom/asteroid chase with Jango and Obi-Wan, and the speeder chase through Coruscant.
But looking at them as full on films, I would say that The Phantom Menace is the better movie. As drab as it is in parts, it is more fun, as others have said.
I should also add that I don't hate any of the prequels, I definitely see their faults and their lower quality, but I actually quite like Revenge of the Sith. So I don't know what that says about my opinion, haha.
But looking at them as full on films, I would say that The Phantom Menace is the better movie. As drab as it is in parts, it is more fun, as others have said.
I should also add that I don't hate any of the prequels, I definitely see their faults and their lower quality, but I actually quite like Revenge of the Sith. So I don't know what that says about my opinion, haha.
Count Dookkake
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It's....not? I don't really even know how to respond to this, because it's just not. I like Pablo's take on it.
See also: cars and TVs.
On a purely subjective level, Phantom Menace was so deeply disappointing that it's hard to pick the Clones over it. Clones didn't feel as bad because it was just more of the same crap.
Phantom Menace had that podracing nonsense that just went on and on for what felt like an hour. Clones had a top-tier dumbness title and Yoda flipping around. I dunno.
The important thing is that we all agree that both movies sucked.
Phantom Menace had that podracing nonsense that just went on and on for what felt like an hour. Clones had a top-tier dumbness title and Yoda flipping around. I dunno.
The important thing is that we all agree that both movies sucked.
Criticism..? You just stop by with a three word pot shot at TFA and leave.
You honestly believe TFA is worse than both AToC and TPM? I just thought you were trying to be cool.
Neff
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I don't think he gave a fuck about ideals or principles or even politics honestly. He just wanted to seize ultimate power, and was willing to do anything to get it. It was probably even more important to him than grooming Anakin as his student. He had no love for the Jedi, but they were the perfect scapegoats for his plans.
It was really just that dream of sitting in a chair in a giant metal ball in space which got him out of bed each morning.
The prequels deserve crits but I don't think the diner is one of them. This is where Star Wars take place.
A long time ago, in a 1950's diner far far away..
Right. That's one of the least creative and most immersion breaking scenes in all of SW. There's nothing else from the main films, visually (aside from C3PO bumbling around in the assembly line scene), that removes me from this universe more thoroughly.
Count Dookkake
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I was mocking your post. Using "edgy" as criticism is dumb.
Yes, I prefer the prequels to TFA, but my comment was not intended as a potshot. I think it is good in the way that a greatest hits album by a cover band can be good.
lol at your concept of me thinking my position on the relative merits of SW films would make me cool.
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