Sex is a protected class, just like race, religion, age, disability etc. So yeah it would be.
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Why a gay law professor is trying to shut down women-only Wonder Woman screenings.
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Sex is a protected class, just like race, religion, age, disability etc. So yeah it would be.
"debate"
they're holding a women's event
fucking hell
even worse is the idea that men are a protected class
they're holding a women's event
fucking hell
lol @ u
even worse is the idea that men are a protected class
That's what I'm saying. But it wasn't met with no response, it was met with derision, which I think instigates further hostility.
Admiral Woofington
Member
I hope alamo finds a loophole to not deal with these manchildren. Like making it a private event somehow.
benicillin
Banned
Okay I just want to make sure that you realize the implication here is that a women's only event (and by extension women) have to be nice to men who approach them with hostility lest they invite further hostility, rather than just tell them to buzz off.
Dreams-Visions
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but the law!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
This would be a correct response to "why are superhero movies trying to appeal to women?".
But in terms of an actual women's only screening... eh... I think that riles up people's ideas about fairness and equality and exclusion that have nothing to do with keeping superhero movies for dudes.
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
"It's the principle of the thing" is a statement rarely followed by anything intelligent when it comes to these topics.
But I am glad this super-hero didn't let this "slide." Who knows what would happen to the world if he did. I mean, just imagine it!
But I am glad this super-hero didn't let this "slide." Who knows what would happen to the world if he did. I mean, just imagine it!
T
Transhuman
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If I had a bakery and refused to serve men on Thursdays, or said men couldn't order panini's or something, you don't get how that's fucked up, regardless of the fact men aren't a historically marginalised group?
I mean, the law doesn't prevent women's or men's events? I don't know how daft people have to be to think it does- this isn't the fucking "white" and "coloured" water fountains.
But that's not what's happening. It wouldn't be fucked up for a bakery that only served women on women's day. They're not preventing men from seeing Wonder Woman, they're having a women's event for the film.
Depends on local law. Ladies Night events don't fall under federal law in the US, but they are covered under state and local law. The professor in the article cited Austin law as prohibiting the Alamo event. No one in this thread has refuted that claim.
There are a number of states in the US which have prohibited such events under civil rights and anti-discrimination law. To claim otherwise is disingenuous.
I guess I'm saying that no debate is better than insult flinging. It encourages more of that level of communication. 'Don't argue with an idiot because they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience'.
Anyway I was just saying that I wasn't a fan of the mockery, either. Otherwise I have no problem with what the Alamo Drafthouse are doing.
Good eye! Looks like you're right. Apparently public accommodation laws re: sex/gender exist on a state level, and Texas is one of 5 states that doesn't have one:
http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/state-public-accommodation-laws.aspx
I guess the other 45 states are lolol don't understand lolol.
Edit: although apparently Austin may have such a law: https://www.municode.com/Library/tx/austin/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=TIT5CIRI_CH5-2DIPUAC
excelsiorlef
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This gay lawyer probably calls the cops when he sees someone from another state tweet a picture of them smoking a joint.
Violence Jack
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There was nothing Alamo could've said about the event whether it was mockery or debate that wouldn't have resulted in more men crying about a couple of women's only showings in a theater where it's playing on multiple screens. Let those complaining be hostle. It's a minisule private event.
benicillin
Banned
I mean, the mayor responded directly to someone complaining about it by mocking him, and I'm pretty sure I read in one of the articles about this that there isn't even a clear punishment or law in Austin that would apply, and it's happening this week sooooo....I don't know.
Well considering that having a women's or men's event wouldn't violate accommodation laws considering that men have equal opportunity to view the film it like a bar's ladies night is a wash.
Texas doesn't prevent a ladies night from happening. Austin for example says that:
Which the Drafthouse wouldn't violate- they're giving both men and women the opportunity to see Wonder Woman- a ladies night wouldn't stop this from happening.
Watching people die on this hill is almost sad.
TheSkullPrince
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"It's the principle of the thing" = I'm fucking butthurt.
Frozenprince
Banned
The fact that this is becoming a national outrage is fucking ridiculous.
Sorry, I genuinely don't understand this sentence.
T
Transhuman
Unconfirmed Member
This is what I'm dealing with.
I'm saying that even had sex been included it wouldn't matter. Men can see Wonder Woman at the Drafthouse too even if they host a ladies night.
You're not really dealing with anything mang.
Funny how discrimination appears suddenly out of no where for some people.
So many asses being shown.
In Austin sex is, it says that in the OP's link...
Actually, she cited Austin law as forbidding discrimination and he only had allegations. No one bothered "refuting" the claim because a ladies' night generally doesn't constitute discrimination.
Net_Wrecker
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I actually love this whole "ladies night" thing, it's a kind of small victory in an industry/genre/medium dominated by men, but I'm not going to say "WOMEN ONLY", as in that specific wording, doesn't open the door to a lot of stupidity. I won't be surprised when some dummy manager decides to host a "MEN ONLY" Expendables 4 event as a counterpoint to this some time in the next few years.
He's challenging it on an employment law basis as per the OP. But given that it's merely about staffing for that night it's meaningless.
This is what's hilarious. Nobody's being prevented from seeing wonder woman at the same establishment at the same time as the women's viewing. Trying to cite the law as though men are prevented from accessing goods and services from the Drafthouse is idiotic.
EdibleKnife
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Right? I can think about 90 different national issues that could use the concerted political and social efforts being expended by people over trying to hold Alamo accountable for this "offense"
Without bothering to look through the case law, I'm pretty sure that's not how discrimination is interpreted for public accommodations, since it seems like your interpretation would allow for separate-but-equal accommodations.
It looks like some states are trying to adopt de minimus exceptions, which presumably could prevent the law from being applied in circumstances like this: http://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1192&context=shlr
The fact that men are moaning about one (1) freaking movie screening being women-only really goes to show how little they know about misogyny and discrimination in general.
Women's lives would be so much easier if all we had to worry about was a theater organising a Men's Night.
Women's lives would be so much easier if all we had to worry about was a theater organising a Men's Night.
It wouldn't being an event. Your pdf is for price differentials. One that almost everyone involved barring the big baby that started it considered a frivolity.
Random Painted HIghway
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Luckily for me I've had an asshole-encounter free week up to this point. Alas for ruining a good run.
So the guy is talking about both?... and yeah the employment part doesn't seem to be right and the source even says that.
Are there separate laws for events? Honest question - I don't know. Would weekly events still be considered events? What if a social club had a 3 hour 'event' every night?
Yeah, that's my point. It seems like a de minimus exception could be useful in this situation, since this one time event is a frivolity.
It's 100% on The Alamo Draft House imo.
Instead of presenting it in a positive way, describing it as events "For Women", they had to go the extra mile (probably to be controversial) and specifically include text to exclude based on gender.
Embarrassing indeed that something that should have been an empowerment event became a controversy about exclusion.
Instead of presenting it in a positive way, describing it as events "For Women", they had to go the extra mile (probably to be controversial) and specifically include text to exclude based on gender.
Embarrassing indeed that something that should have been an empowerment event became a controversy about exclusion.
He doesn't have a case for accommodations given men are able to see the same film at the same theater at the same time.
There aren't really any laws preventing a women only room given they're providing accommodations to all sexes and genders in the first place.
terrible comparsion. In this case, men could use the exact same product in the exact same day as this event.
Dreams-Visions
Member
indeed. it's really frustrating to watch unfold.
LinkAndEpona
Banned
It is discriminatory and I'd like to understand how it isn't considered illegal and lastly from a feminist perspective, the passive-agressive language used hurts the cause.
That said, the movie turned out to be a huge success and I can't wait to see it myself.
That said, the movie turned out to be a huge success and I can't wait to see it myself.
It sounds like you're describing separate but equal again...
My point is that men aren't prevented from being accommodated by the Drafthouse at the same price as women. Holding a women room isn't against Austin law as I see it.
Given that men and women can see the same movie together in the same room, no. Frankly the comparison is gross.
There are other showings. There are other theaters. This is so stupid.
That seems illegal, with the whole 'separate but equal' idea but I'm not a lawyer.
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