Why Did The PS3 Fail?

Jocchan said:
Pineapple... on pizza? Are you guys serious? :|

Actually theres a pizza place in my area that uses ham, pineapple, and mandarin orange slices. I was scared at first, but it's good.
 
The Sphinx said:
Yes, it's very good when paired with select pork products.
I trust you, but such ingredients on pizza are pretty blasphemous if you ask an Italian (as I am).
It would be the same if I told you that ketchup is very good when paired with ice cream... I think we both agree
at least I hope so
such a matching doesn't look very attractive. Maybe tasty
(I don't want to know it)
, but still unattractive.
We've been derailing enough, however :lol

EDIT:
Threi said:
I wish i could transfer my middle finger through the interwebs right now.
I think I can picture it, thanks.

Segata Sanshiro said:
Oh god, Jocchan...you've never had?
I lack the courage :(
Don't blame me, blame society (or WiiFit).
 
DemDereNads said:
You are throwing the terms success & failure around with no middle ground.

Gamecube made Nintendo Money
XBox got Microsoft into the Video Game Industry
PS3 will most likely end up making Sony money, as well as helping in the format war, and anyway you look at it, 8 months is way too soon to start calling things success or failure.
So if the PS3 makes as much revenue as the original Xbox (basically a loss of some billions of dollars), then it's not a failure?
 
Arde5643 said:
So if the PS3 makes as much revenue as the original Xbox (basically a loss of some billions of dollars), then it's not a failure?

You mean profit, not revenue.

I said PS3 will most likely end up making profit, but it's too early either way to say. I'm not going to go ahead claiming they will make a profit after bashing people for saying it won't and is going to be/already is a failure.
 
Tobor said:
The writer of this book would disagree with you. Who are we to disagree with a published author?

So might Dr. Kevorkian. He has a book on Amazon too, plus he's a doctor!

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DemDereNads said:
You are throwing the terms success & failure around with no middle ground.

Gamecube made Nintendo Money
XBox got Microsoft into the Video Game Industry
PS3 will most likely end up making Sony money, as well as helping in the format war, and anyway you look at it, 8 months is way too soon to start calling things success or failure.

So you think that if it makes money (Gamecube & PS3) or meets expectations (I think XBox did about what MS expected, even though they lost money) you consider them a success. So, what to you, qualifies something as a failure?

EDIT: Also, notice how well you fit in with my second option.

DemDereNads said:
You mean profit, not revenue.

I said PS3 will most likely end up making profit, but it's too early either way to say. I'm not going to go ahead claiming they will make a profit after bashing people for saying it won't and is going to be/already is a failure.

I also said I believe the PS3 will end up profitable, but I don't think it will meet expectations (market leader, majority of 3rd party support, etc). So if you believe it is still a success, then you fit into option 2; if you think it is a failure, you fit option 1. Believe it or not, there isn't a whole lot of middle ground as far as businesses are concerned. It might still make money, but if it doesn't get close to projections, that can cause all sorts of problems (see recent Sony moves).
 
Jocchan said:
Pineapple... on pizza? Are you guys serious? :|

Is awesome. Try peach too! :D

In other news... this is not what i expected when i came to look at this thread! But i'm happy to contribute to the derailment. :lol
 
mepaco said:
So you think that if it makes money (Gamecube & PS3) or meets expectations (I think XBox did about what MS expected, even though they lost money) you consider them a success. So, what to you, qualifies something as a failure?

EDIT: Also, notice how well you fit in with my second option.

Dreamcast is a good failure candidate.

NGage.

I just don't have the "Second place is first loser!" - No Fear - Mentality.
 
mepaco said:
(which I think the PS3 eventually will be profitable).
Sony's game division has lost 2.2 billion dollars in the last 1.25 years, and this is despite both PS2 and PSP turning a profit. PS3 has already lost more money than the PS2 has made since release.
 
mepaco said:
So you think that if it makes money (Gamecube & PS3) or meets expectations (I think XBox did about what MS expected, even though they lost money) you consider them a success. So, what to you, qualifies something as a failure?

EDIT: Also, notice how well you fit in with my second option.

for me, i'd break out the failure stamp a little bit into the PS4 cycle. When i see how much it has sold and if it still is selling. Then I gotta seee how much impact it had in the HD DVD market. Perhaps if anything, thats the reason the PS3 is schlumping along. Divine Retribution for tryin to get it all with one shot. You gotta admit theres more to win and loose with the PS3 than with any other system.

Is it so hard to say the PS3 is failing...and not FAILED?
 
Pharmacy said:
yo momma takes a prescription from MY BALLS
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Are you really serious that you're coming back with that kind of retort here in GAF?

Better change it fast, son - before they found out you're a zit faced teen straight from Gamefaqs. Hurry, boy! Hurry!
 
Jokeropia said:
Sony's game division has lost 2.2 billion dollars in the last 1.25 years, and this is despite both PS2 and PSP turning a profit. PS3 has already lost more money than the PS2 has made since release.

Yeah, it looks bleak right now but (assuming Sony plays it right ... which is admittedly a big assumption) I think they can turn it around a little. I still think the PS3 is a failure, just as I think the Gamecube was a failure.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I'm putting some things outside of their games division in here. If it leads to the eventual success of the Blu Ray format, that won't show up but it still makes a difference to the overall Sony picture.
 
mepaco said:
Yeah, it looks bleak right now but (assuming Sony plays it right ... which is admittedly a big assumption) I think they can turn it around a little. I still think the PS3 is a failure, just as I think the Gamecube was a failure.

I feel bad for your children/future children when they don't come in 1st in a sporting event.
 
DemDereNads said:
I feel bad for your children/future children when they don't come in 1st in a sporting event.

How hard is it to understand that I think it is a failure because it has not come close to meeting Sony's expectations (which is very different from the scenario you describe). This is how businesses see things. You have to evaluate your alternatives based on their expected performance. If they don't go as planned, then your choices were poor and the product has largely failed because one of the other alternatives could have lead to bigger profits if your expectations were closer to reality.
 
DemDereNads said:
I feel bad for your children/future children when they don't come in 1st in a sporting event.
Presumably he didn't spend millions and millions of dollars developing his children. Then again, with the way people in the OT buy escorts...
 
I actually don't think the PS3 is a failure except in a few specific applications of the term. However, these ways it has failed are pretty important for predicting the future of the console and the industry. It won't be a failure for me if it can support a stable of great exclusive games by the end of its lifetime (just like the Gamecube). I'm still hopeful.
 
Sol.. said:
for me, i'd break out the failure stamp a little bit into the PS4 cycle. When i see how much it has sold and if it still is selling. Then I gotta seee how much impact it had in the HD DVD market. Perhaps if anything, thats the reason the PS3 is schlumping along. Divine Retribution for tryin to get it all with one shot. You gotta admit theres more to win and loose with the PS3 than with any other system.

Is it so hard to say the PS3 is failing...and not FAILED?

Sequel! So... you have a new franchise. Your feelings have now betrayed it, too. SONY-Wan was wise to hide it from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the dark side, then perhaps SE will.
 
mepaco said:
How hard is it to understand that I think it is a failure because it has not come close to meeting Sony's expectations (which is very different from the scenario you describe). This is how businesses see things. You have to evaluate your alternatives based on their expected performance. If they don't go as planned, then your choices were poor and the product has largely failed because one of the other alternatives could have lead to bigger profits if your expectations were closer to reality.

Perhaps you would have some point if it didn't just come out 8 months ago? Kind of falls into my point.
 
DemDereNads said:
Perhaps you would have some point if it didn't just come out 8 months ago? Kind of falls into my point.

The PS3 isn't going to dramatically change where it's at right now. Just so you know.
 
DemDereNads said:
I feel bad for your children/future children when they don't come in 1st in a sporting event.

Well, if it makes you feel better, I am sure Nintendo could give Sony a neat little ribbon that says "We're all Winners!"
 
I just want to point out that no console ever made has ever started off throughout the first year in a distant third, or doing anywhere near this poor overall and then suddenly just got a huge surge of momentum deep into the generation and suddenly started leapfrogging the competiton, or doing anything other than sitting a distant second, third or whatever through the whole generation. The pattern is simple, and it's the ONLY reason why both the PS1 and PS2 were so big: They get the big headstart on the userbase, which in turn forces all the developers to throw their support behind it, and then it snowballs in the market from there because gamers go with the content, and developers have that increasing incentive to develop for the bigger userbase.

In this generation things are even far worse for Sony. Throwing all the logic and patterns of the history of the gaming industry out for a second, you see that they ALSO have massive other issues like being priced way out of the market, having TWO competitors already entrenched in the market, with much better word of mouth, bigger userbases, catalogs etc..all the negative press that Sony has and is still getting for the system, building stigma's around it like not being worth it unless you have a good HDTV etc..

Then there's the whole thing about how so far exclusives and multiplatform games for the 360 have looked better, Halo 3 is on the way, the Wii is the first system ever to go directly towards the casuals(the majority of Sony's previous userbases), and the bleak current and future software prospects in relation to the competition, and it's just so easy to see that Sony is going to be doing nothing but dwelling in a distant third all generation long.

Also, 10 year plan? LOL Have fun with that when MS releases the successor to the 360 and kickstarts the next gen in a few years.
 
Pharmacy said:
hahaha, wikipedia, seriously?

Perhaps you would prefer American Heritage Dictionary:
The condition or fact of not achieving the desired end or ends
The condition or fact of being insufficient or falling short

or Houghton Mifflin:
The condition of not achieving the desired end

or Encarta:
something that falls short of what is required or expected
 
DemDereNads said:
But he spent millions and millions of dollars in Sony? :P

What are you talking about? Here is my original post:

mepaco said:
I think this is easy. Lets just look at history to determine your attitude. Based on what we have seen so far, you have three choices:

1) If you think that the Gamecube was a failure and the PS3 is a failure then you judge failure by expectations, market position, and support.

2) If you think that the Gamecube was a success and the PS3 is a success then you consider making a profit to be a success (which I think the PS3 eventually will be profitable).

3) If you think one was a failure and the other a success, then you are a fanboy.
I feel that options 1 and 2 are at least defensible positions. It is the third that I take issue with, or those that think the PS3 will rocket into first place (in terms of market share) and start raking in the cash when they are still selling at a loss (or close to it).
 
StevieP said:
The PS3 isn't going to dramatically change where it's at right now. Just so you know.

Really? You mean as they earn money back and potentially getting out of the red? That isn't dramatic?

Oh no, of course you are talking about my "No Fear - video game edition" Well at least Sony isnt' first loser, am I right?

There must be some pretty hilarious T-shirts out there with the Video Game "No Fear" theme.

Well, if it makes you feel better, I am sure Nintendo could give Sony a neat little ribbon that says "We're all Winners!"

Actually i would feel better if I had some comparable hardware and features, instead of sales from non-games to masturbate to.
 
Failure is such a strong word in this context, it sounds like Sony didn't sell a single console. Under-achieving sounds much better.
 
mepaco said:
I still think the PS3 is a failure, just as I think the Gamecube was a failure.
That's fine, but if you go by the definition that making a profit = success, it is very probable that Gamecube is the only success of the two.
 
Jokeropia said:
That's fine, but if you go by the definition that making a profit = success, it is very probable that Gamecube is the only success of the two.

Hmm, someone was obviously absent from the Internet when Sony's game devision carried Sony while their electronics section was bombing hard. Now the opposite is true :lol how Ironic.
 
u guys do realize that not a singel AAA has been out yet and the console isent even a year old rite ?

damn cry babies...wait xbox fanboys
 
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