Why Did The PS3 Fail?
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Pureauthor
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cilonen said:
Perhaps I should've said 'recently'. That aside, the PS3 is as dead as the X360 in Japan, true.
Pureauthor said:
You're spot on
no argument from me, I'm 'enjoying' the thread, and just thought I'd pipe up with something daft.Edit: The problem is, there's no retreat from the position MS and Sony are in (in Japan). What are they going to do? Release a non-HD console in 18 months time and claim all that HD stuff was bull? They're a bit stuffed in Japan.
Flakster99
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Jon_Danger said:
The Wii's success must really be pissing you off, or is it Nintendo in general, now that they have their finger on the industry's pulse, though not satisfying your gaming needs.
Pureauthor
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Jocchan said:
I find it kinda depressing, myself.
That aside, I'm off to bed.
Moderation Unlimited
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As far as I am concerned, Next-gen in general has failed (ps3/x360). Sad but true.
"How Wii Killed Next-gen" should be the title of his next book.
"How Wii Killed Next-gen" should be the title of his next book.
Xisiqomelir
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Pureauthor said:
Well, that was something I considered when I bought my HD console. The coming library for the PS3 in the next year looks like the better one to me, so I bought that over Microsoft's lineup right now.
Beer Monkey
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cilonen said:
Yep. So how did Ridge Racer 7 fare compared to Ridge Racer V?
cilonen said:You're spot on
Edit: The problem is, there's no retreat from the position MS and Sony are in (in Japan). What are they going to do? Release a non-HD console in 18 months time and claim all that HD stuff was bull? They're a bit stuffed in Japan.
That's why the rumor of a redesigned PS2 with waggle was intriguing. As it is, Sony and MS have both brought knives to Nintendo's gunfight.
OK.Jon_Danger said:
Imagine we have a category of "things" that include only the PS3, 360, and Wii. Some of us call that next-gen, or current-gen, but that labelling seems to cause some cognitive dissonance for the less Wii-friendly among us. Nevertheless, we still need a name for this collection of three things. I suggest we call it "home consoles released in North America between November 2005 and November 2006-gen". Agreed?
Hcoregamer00
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Tobor said:
The last thing Sony and MS needs to do is to justify Nintendo's viewpoint, especially this early in the war.
Pureauthor said:
So now Gears of War, the standard (until Bioshock) that all 360 and PS3 games for that matter had no effect on 360 sales? You are claiming that it was a synergy of the self induced supply constraints and the holidays that caused the bump in sales?
You seem to be twisting facts to support your illogical statement that the PS3 is a failure. Is it not performing to expectations? Yes. Is it failing? No.
Sony priced themselves out of the majority early adopter/transitional consumers.
Simply put the Wii has rewritten the book as far as console sales go, but neither the 360 or Ps3 are failures.
RiskyChris
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noleshark said:
Not performing to projected expectations is a fucking failure.
beermonkey@tehbias said:
Maybe mistakenly, but I was being contrary - or did you just latch on to a post that looked as if it was negative to 360?
Maybe you missed the rest of what I said later on
You're spot on
Edit: The problem is, there's no retreat from the position MS and Sony are in (in Japan). What are they going to do? Release a non-HD console in 18 months time and claim all that HD stuff was bull? They're a bit stuffed in Japan.
Count Dookkake
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RiskyChris said:
You beat me to it. I was about to ask "What do you call it when you tell everyone you will be number one from the get go, but insead sink to third quickly and firmly?"
It is certainly not called succeeding.
Beer Monkey
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cilonen said:
No, I was just honestly curious as to how RR7 sold compared to RRV.
RiskyChris said:
Really? And are whose expectations are they? Will the PS3 make Sony money? Yes.
Will the 360 make MS money? Yes.
from a purely business standpoint if there is a profit, it was worth it.
It seems like the majority of posters like yourself want to be the first one to accurately predict a console failure. So you go off half cocked.
Calling anything a failure within the first year of its 10 year life cycle is ridiculous.
Flakster99
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Hcoregamer00 said:
You're right, nevermind the never ending multiple skews/ pricing, hardware/ software bundles, mixed messages all over the place, gotta add confusion onto the publishers, developers, as well as the marketplace.
There's a winning ticket if I've ever seen one. NOT!
ShockingAlberto
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butbutbut graphicsThe Sphinx said:
BravoSuperStar
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noleshark said:
Take that N-Gage haters.
Count Dookkake
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noleshark said:
They were Sony's public and oft-repeated expectations.
Remember the chestnut about Sony selling 5 million units without software? I don't think that happened yet.
Mariah Carey
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noleshark said:
I know what you're trying to say. Nobody's saying that the PS3 is in danger of dying off Dreamcast-style (which sounds like what you're definition of failure in this case is). But in the context of what we're talking about, I can guarantee you Sony believes the PlayStation 3 is failing. This year the PS3 hasn't achieved any of the goals Sony wanted it to. That's the type of 'failure' we're talking about.
I find highly misguided to think that the Wii has killed next gen or hardcore gaming. Microsoft and Sony are the very only ones to blame for shooting their own foot. Multiple SKU madness which only confuses consumers, ABSURD pricepoints, penis size contest mentality when designing hardware without paying any consideration to more importan matters to consumers such as reliablity or price, loosing the focus on what a console was (hint: not a multimedia hub), killing the plug and play advantage that consoles had against the PCs, and so on. None of the things that have killed the next gen had to do with the Wii or the non games.
Count Dookkake
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Mariah Carey said:
Right on. I don't think this guy gets that one can be a miserable, apocalyptic failure without actually being dead. See also: second albums by one-hit wonders...
Mariah Carey said:
Yep, the problem is people call different things failure - I don't even really call the Dreamcast a failure - I had some great gaming on that machine.
Maybe there should be different rankings of failure?
the Amstrad GX4000 > Atari Jaguar > NGage > Atari Lynx > Dreamcast > PS3
The scale of console despair.
Mariah Carey
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noleshark said:
You do realize the jury is still out on those points, right? Like, WAAAAAAAAAAAAY out?
Count Dookkake
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noleshark said:
Plenty of people knew it would sell better than the PS3 (FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE US DOLLARS!!!). How much better was open to speculation.
Sho_Nuff82
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Late to the thread, but I think with the recent price drop the statement "PS2 hardware is still outselling the 360" isn't true in a Sales-Age world, especially if you look at the last month in NA or the UK...the software certainly isn't doing as well if you look at the latest Chart Track (going back for weeks) and NPD (July) charts.
I don't think that argument works anymore, and unless the PS2 drops to $99 this Christmas, I don't think it will continue to hold.
I don't think that it's reasonable to call a console that may very well sell 25-30 million a 'failure' - certainly, someone would argue the point with the lineups of the GCN, Xbox, N64, and Sega Genesis. But in terms of growing the "Playstation Brand", the PS3 will certainly be seen as a failure if Sony captures less than half of the marketshare of the PS2 and loses many of the close/exclusive ties they had with 3rd parties.
What many people seem to be in denial about is the state of affairs in Japan - it has already failed there. Sony still has a shot of salvaging respectability in NA and PAL, but that territory is already lost, even with FF, GT and MGS, and I think it's time to stop arguing it.
I don't think that argument works anymore, and unless the PS2 drops to $99 this Christmas, I don't think it will continue to hold.
I don't think that it's reasonable to call a console that may very well sell 25-30 million a 'failure' - certainly, someone would argue the point with the lineups of the GCN, Xbox, N64, and Sega Genesis. But in terms of growing the "Playstation Brand", the PS3 will certainly be seen as a failure if Sony captures less than half of the marketshare of the PS2 and loses many of the close/exclusive ties they had with 3rd parties.
What many people seem to be in denial about is the state of affairs in Japan - it has already failed there. Sony still has a shot of salvaging respectability in NA and PAL, but that territory is already lost, even with FF, GT and MGS, and I think it's time to stop arguing it.
I think by far the most entertaining aspect of this thread is drohne calling out others on their fanboyism, as I think even he will agree that he is terribly biased. At any rate, this book is premature worldwide, but not really in Japan. Remember, this was written by someone who predicted PS2-level domination, not some crazed Gahiggidy-a-like with a fountain pen, a dream and a fanatical glint in his eye.
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Moderation Unlimited said:
Or "How Third Party Pub/Devs Can't Think Up Anything To Compete" would work just as nicely.
Count Dookkake
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noleshark said:
You are free to provide evidence and analysis to the contrary. Pro-tip: Try looking in NPD and Media Create threads.
Mariah Carey
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noleshark said:
You never know. Microsoft never made a dime off the Xbox. Hell, they lost BILLIONS on that machine that the 360 still has to make up for.... and so far that machine's lost them billions too.
Phoenix Down
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I wonder if the Editor would think the same thing if the PS3 dropped to 399... would we still have these crazy Topics?
Count Dookkake
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Phoenix Down said:
Yes, I think the editor would be of the same opinion. $200 price drop in less than a year on a system that is costing them money and was supposed to be the undisputed champion after a month? That makes the failure even more profound.