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[MercuryLS]

I wasn't aware the arguments in this thread were being made 2 years ago.

Alright, lets say a year and a half? Ever since E32K5 when the pricing was revealed there has been a barrage of posts of how Sony fucked up (many of which came from me I admit). I jus think at this point we should just let things play out cause the constant bickering over this topic is making some people nutty on this board.

 

[johnsmith]

I like this.


Lately i've been curious if it's always been like this. Cuz it's like really bad. So bad I hear the same thoughts and even worse phrases (kiddie games, shoving down our throats, its got no games, I don't trust them, American born, bla bla bla bla bla) word for word in real life.

Yes it's always been like this. Same thing went on in the playground when I was elementary school. It was SNES vs Genesis back then, though.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Talking in the past tense like this generation is somehow over is quite stupid.

The lead that is on the PS3 is pretty big though. I have my doubts it will be "winning" this generation.

 

[Deku]

Alright, lets say a year and a half? Ever since E32K5 when the pricing was revealed there has been a barrage of posts of how Sony fucked up (many of which came from me I admit). I jus think at this point we should just let things play out cause the constant bickering over this topic is making some people nutty on this board.

There was negativity, a lot of it. But right up till January 07, the GAF mods, clamped down hard on 'anecdotal' evidence of the PS3's woes on account it wasn't confirmed. Many argued openly with the press reports. The sentiment that the PS3's holiday launch was a slow start but it would quickly outpace the Wii and 360 was widely shared. It really wasn't until the PS3 was beat month after month and then sales went below 100k that the consensus the PS3 was in trouble was finally uttered. At best the shift in perceptions didn't start until April of this year.

You seem to be mixing up the whole business of 'bad press' for PS3 with 'why PS3 failed'. They are two different things, though the former probably had something to do with it.

 

[Sol..]

Yes it's always been like this. Same thing went on in the playground when I was elementary school. It was SNES vs Genesis back then, though.

well yeah there have been console debates. But at what point did the internet really start to mold the way people think when it comes to these debates. I'm willing to hear a argument for said console AS LONG as you don't verbalize the thought into a form you'd read on any given game forum. Thats what killing me these days.

 

[TEH-CJ]

But you have to remember

people said this about the ps2...look how that turned out.

 

[Crushed]

But you have to remember

people said this about the ps2...look how that turned out.

 

[Speevy]

The PS3 can't win. The issue is that the 360 is a paper champ.

 

[Deku]

But you have to remember

people said this about the ps2...look how that turned out.

People said a lot of things about every successful product, but the PS2 never faced the unanimity of negative opinion this console is facing. Whatever makes you sleep better at night God of War Avatar Man.

 

[TEH-CJ]

?

i remember the 1st year of ps2 people were pretty much convinced it was a failure,

but it end up destroying the competition

just saying.

 

[jonabbey]

People said a lot of things about every successful product, but the PS2 never faced the level of negative opinion this console is facing. Whatever makes you sleep better at night God of War Avatar Man.

T,FTFY

 

[Barnolde]

?

i remember the 1st year of ps2 people were pretty much convinced the ps2 was a failure,

the ps2 end up destorying the competetion

just saying.

Really? I remember a system with no games being sold as a DVD player. The sheer hype of it was a reason for the DC dying.

 

[TEH-CJ]

People said a lot of things about every successful product, but the PS2 never faced the unanimity of negative opinion this console is facing. Whatever makes you sleep better at night God of War Avatar Man.

Eh you have a point.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

But you have to remember

people said this about the ps2...look how that turned out.

The PS3 is not the PS2. Not in any way, shape, or form. If that simple fact isn't obvious to you by now, I'm sorry to say you live in a candycane land of your own imagination.

 

[hteng]

is it cool or something to bash on a famous brand? its like a trend, everyone's trying to outdo each other in the process to get as much attention as possible.

I seriously doubt this book has any original ideas, all of the facts are probably taken from public bbs/forums and just compile them into a 200 page book

 

[Crushed]

?i remember the 1st year of ps2 people were pretty much convinced the ps2 was a failure,

Quick question.


Have you ever used one of these?

 

[Xenon]

?

i remember the 1st year of ps2 people were pretty much convinced the ps2 was a failure,

it end up destorying the competetion

just saying.

One could argue that some of the competition destroyed themselves.

 

[JCBossman]

One could argue that some of the competition destroyed themselves.

I think OG Xbox did the best it could possibly do on it's first try.Hell if it was ANY other company than MS the staggering losses would have easily killed it.I remember the Netscape/IE battle, MS is going to kick Sony's dick into the gutter before this is all over.

 

[Speevy]

The PS3 could be called a failed console, but no moreso than the Nintendo 64, Xbox, Gamecube, or any other machine which simply couldn't find a mass audience, or didn't have that large appeal.

Nothing about Sony's history indicates the company is prepared to abandon the PS3, or leave the machine in a worse state than Microsoft left the Xbox, or Nintendo left the Gamecube and Nintendo 64.

In fact, their continued support of the PSP despite an insurmountable DS lead combined with poor PSP software sales cements that fact.

The PS3 is one half of the high-definition generation. It has both the potential to continue failing, or to succeed at a level the Xbox 360 simply cannot worldwide. That's up to Sony and consumers.

But I think I can safely say that Sony is prepared to reward the PS3's small userbase for taking the gamble.

 

[johnsmith]

Really living up to our tag, there ^

 

[sphinx]

is it cool or something to bash on a famous brand?

ask Britney Spears! :lol

 

[TEH-CJ]

The PS3 could be called a failed console, but no moreso than the Nintendo 64, Xbox, Gamecube, or any other machine which simply couldn't find a mass audience, or didn't have that large appeal.

Nothing about Sony's history indicates the company is prepared to abandon the PS3, or leave the machine in a worse state than Microsoft left the Xbox, or Nintendo left the Gamecube and Nintendo 64.

In fact, their continued support of the PSP despite an insurmountable DS lead combined with poor PSP software sales cements that fact.

The PS3 is one half of the high-definition generation. It has both the potential to continue failing, or to succeed at a level the Xbox 360 simply cannot worldwide. That's up to Sony and consumers.

But I think I can safely say that Sony is prepared to reward the PS3's small userbase for taking the gamble.

What this wise man said.

 

[BeEatNU]

The PS3 could be called a failed console, but no moreso than the Nintendo 64, Xbox, Gamecube, or any other machine which simply couldn't find a mass audience, or didn't have that large appeal.

Nothing about Sony's history indicates the company is prepared to abandon the PS3, or leave the machine in a worse state than Microsoft left the Xbox, or Nintendo left the Gamecube and Nintendo 64.

In fact, their continued support of the PSP despite an insurmountable DS lead combined with poor PSP software sales cements that fact.

The PS3 is one half of the high-definition generation. It has both the potential to continue failing, or to succeed at a level the Xbox 360 simply cannot worldwide. That's up to Sony and consumers.

But I think I can safely say that Sony is prepared to reward the PS3's small userbase for taking the gamble.

QFT

 

[Speevy]

I think OG Xbox did the best it could possibly do on it's first try.Hell if it was ANY other company than MS the staggering losses would have easily killed it.I remember the Netscape/IE battle, MS is going to kick Sony's dick into the gutter before this is all over.

Microsoft has done EVERYTHING to avoid losses this generation, from the cost of their hardware to the number of games the company publishes.

They're not taking a hit for the fans this time, unless you count the forced 3 year warranty.

 

[Windu]

But you have to remember

people said this about the ps2...look how that turned out.

The PS2 had the Dreamcast as competition when it came out. The PS3 has the 360 with a year start and the Wii which is adored by the mass media, not to mention the price differences. The PS2 had a DVD player which compared to VHS was a HUGE step-up. DVD to Blue-Ray is not as a big of a step-up as VHS to DVD. The PS3 is in a totally different situation than the PS2 was. The PS2 had room to fail at the beginning, the PS3 does not.

 

[TEH-CJ]

The PS2 had the Dreamcast as competition when it came out. The PS3 has the 360 with a year start and the Wii which is adored by the mass media, not to mention the price differences. The PS2 had a DVD player which compared to VHS was a HUGE step-up. DVD to Blue-Ray is not as a big of a step-up as VHS to DVD. The PS3 is in a totally different situation than the PS2 was. The PS2 had room to fail at the beginning, the PS3 does not.

Yea i know what you mean

but we will see how things pan out

i have faith.

 

[JDSN]

I regret entering in this thread.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Ehn, it failed in one way that only the N64 can match - It's taking Sony from a commanding majority marketshare to a minority of some sort. But you're essentially right, and I think that's the definition of failure most sane people are referring to here.

 

[BeEatNU]

I regret entering in this thread.

If you're lookng for fun and happiness your not gonna findit here buddy!

 

[Sharp]

I regret entering in this thread.

Don't try and act like you didn't know exactly what you were going to find here before you clicked.

 

[Diatribe1974]

The PS3 could be called a failed console, but no moreso than the Nintendo 64, Xbox, Gamecube, or any other machine which simply couldn't find a mass audience, or didn't have that large appeal.

Nothing about Sony's history indicates the company is prepared to abandon the PS3, or leave the machine in a worse state than Microsoft left the Xbox, or Nintendo left the Gamecube and Nintendo 64.

In fact, their continued support of the PSP despite an insurmountable DS lead combined with poor PSP software sales cements that fact.

The PS3 is one half of the high-definition generation. It has both the potential to continue failing, or to succeed at a level the Xbox 360 simply cannot worldwide. That's up to Sony and consumers.

But I think I can safely say that Sony is prepared to reward the PS3's small userbase for taking the gamble.

Except for the fact that the PSP is a 2nd place success in the world of handhelds. Sure, it's not doing as well as the DS, but c'mon...it's the freaking DS. Still, every month, the PSP does extremely well worldwide, has sold FAR more than the PS3 has since the PS3 was released and will probably end up selling 2-3x (or more) than what the PS3 will ever sell.

What Sony is pretty much doing is sticking in the game long enough to stay relevant in the customers eyes and get the PS4 out with it (hopefully) being a system that returns back to it's roots of being just a game machine and nothing more than that.

 

[Diatribe1974]

It'll sell better, but it'll be competing against a $199 360 Premium and a $129 Wii.

QFT

 

[lollerskates]

the inevitable PS3 revision is gonna be when the real fight starts. I know i'm waiting for that until I take that plunge.

 

[Grayman]

I want to see how things look when all 3 current systems combine to have 50 and 100 million world wide. Also the same numbers for only the two similar systems.

I'm not talking about success, so lol faces can preemptively be ignored.

 

[Sol..]

(hopefully) being a system that returns back to it's roots of being just a game machine and nothing more than that.

I hope that never happens lol.

Everything else is "just a game machine", Thank capitalism for the need to make your product different with a bunch of extra functions.

I just wish they would add stuff even remotely relevant to normal people (oh and a competitive price).

 

[Mar]

Whether it has failed or not, and the extent thereof. No one can argue the fact that it isn't doing as well as what everyone thought. And is that not at the very least a failure? The answer is probably, no. Yes?

 

[MercuryLS]

the inevitable PS3 revision is gonna be when the real fight starts. I know i'm waiting for that until I take that plunge.

I'm going to say one thing before leaving this thread for good, wake up: the real fight started a long time ago.

 

[Slavik81]

PS3 was designed around Kutaragi's dream of uberpowerful entertainment hub rather than a strict marketing and business plan. That's why it fails to achieve strong sales and brings a lot of financial losses to Sony. The company can still redeem that product, though it's not so certain.

Bingo. The PS3 is the result of a hardware designer given free reign trying to create his masterpiece (and legacy).

Most of the PS3's strengths and weaknesses stem from that.

 

[Grayman]

What Sony is pretty much doing is sticking in the game long enough to stay relevant in the customers eyes and get the PS4 out with it (hopefully) being a system that returns back to it's roots of being just a game machine and nothing more than that.

PSX played CDs
PS2 played dvds

These things don't cost exceptionally more money so the system should do them. Built in soundtracks, may as well play music as well, same thing for net browsers and shit. those things are basically free if the system does everything a current gen system has to.

 

[Deputy Moonman]

But you have to remember

people said this about the ps2...look how that turned out.

What people need to remember is that even though the PS2 started off slow, there was no other competition. The Gamecube and Xbox weren't out yet. So I don't think that argument is valid here.

The PS2 garnered all the hype when it came out earlier than everything else. The media basically had an orgy with the PS2 and third party support jumped on the bandwagon. Consequently, the more impressively spec'd xbox got the shaft and always had less games to choose from. The gamecube was a disaster because all nintendo could talk about was their lame gameboy connectivity feature. I stupidly purchased one. What a bunch of trash. It will be interesting to see how much longer Nintendo can throw these "innovations" at us before people get sick of them. Wii Fit?? Bleah!

The situation with the PS2 and Xbox is strange because it looks like the mirror image of the PS2 coming out first. However, it seems that Playstation fans are quick to come to the defense of the powerful PS3 without remembering that the xbox was a better system than the PS2. And look what happened to the xbox.

I love good games, but I would love nothing more than to see Sony fall flat on their faces. I wasn't happy with the PS1 stealing the spotlight and 3rd party game support from the N64. And I wasn't happy with the PS2 constantly being praised for how awesome it was, when in actuality, the only thing good about it was that 3rd party game developers were prostituting themselves with Sony, leading to the PS2 having all the games. Imagine the quality of the games that would have been created if the xbox had had more support? And now I'm sick of hearing how the PS3 is so amazing. I say eff Sony. I'm a microsoft fanboy through and through. I don't see why Americans support the japanese market so much when the japanese market refuses to acknowledge that american-made games and consoles can be pretty darn good, too.

You guys were wanting something more interesting from this thread. Does this help? I don't mind being flamed at all. It's all part of the fun. At least I'm writing what I really feel.

 

[Loudninja]

The PS3 could be called a failed console, but no moreso than the Nintendo 64, Xbox, Gamecube, or any other machine which simply couldn't find a mass audience, or didn't have that large appeal.

Nothing about Sony's history indicates the company is prepared to abandon the PS3, or leave the machine in a worse state than Microsoft left the Xbox, or Nintendo left the Gamecube and Nintendo 64.

In fact, their continued support of the PSP despite an insurmountable DS lead combined with poor PSP software sales cements that fact.

The PS3 is one half of the high-definition generation. It has both the potential to continue failing, or to succeed at a level the Xbox 360 simply cannot worldwide. That's up to Sony and consumers.

But I think I can safely say that Sony is prepared to reward the PS3's small userbase for taking the gamble.

Great post

 

[Crushed]

This is the worst thread.

I don't need to qualify that with an "ever," because no qualifications are needed. It's the worst.

 

[Grayman]

What people need to remember is that even though the PS2 started off slow, there was no other competition. The Gamecube and Xbox weren't out yet. So I don't think that argument is valid here.

The PS2 garnered all the hype when it came out earlier than everything else. The media basically had an orgy with the PS2 and third party support jumped on the bandwagon. Consequently, the more impressively spec'd xbox got the shaft and always had less games to choose from. The gamecube was a disaster because all nintendo could talk about was their lame gameboy connectivity feature. I stupidly purchased one. What a bunch of trash. It will be interesting to see how much longer Nintendo can throw these "innovations" at us before people get sick of them. Wii Fit?? Bleah!

The situation with the PS2 and Xbox is strange because it looks like the mirror image of the PS2 coming out first. However, it seems that Playstation fans are quick to come to the defense of the powerful PS3 without remembering that the xbox was a better system than the PS2. And look what happened to the xbox.

I love good games, but I would love nothing more than to see Sony fall flat on their faces. I wasn't happy with the PS1 stealing the spotlight and 3rd party game support from the N64. And I wasn't happy with the PS2 constantly being praised for how awesome it was, when in actuality, the only thing good about it was that 3rd party game developers were prostituting themselves with Sony, leading to the PS2 having all the games. Imagine the quality of the games that would have been created if the xbox had had more support? And now I'm sick of hearing how the PS3 is so amazing. I say eff Sony. I'm a microsoft fanboy through and through. I don't see why Americans support the japanese market so much when the japanese market refuses to acknowledge that american-made games and consoles can be pretty darn good, too.

You guys were wanting something more interesting from this thread. Does this help? I don't mind being flamed at all. It's all part of the fun. At least I'm writing what I really feel.

So because two systems you liked did badly you want that to happen to others?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

The Playstation 2(GT3 came out in 2001 and sales weren't insanely high).

Checking GT3's release dates... seems at its launches there would've been ~4-5 million PS2s each in Japan and Europe, and ~3-4 million in North America.

To state my point more clearly, it wasn't until holiday season of '01 where PS2 sales really kicked into high gear, and the system was clear on it's way to tens of millions of units worldwide.

The holiday season was huge (as always), but it was no slouch earlier in the year, either. PS2 passed half a million sold in the US in March.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Great post

Holy shit, you lost your junior status already?

 

[lollerskates]

So because two systems you liked did badly you want that to happen to others?

well, he did plainly admit to being a fanboy (or stealth OGM to make 360 fans look bad, give or take)

 

[fse]

I remember feeling like this last gen.

"Why doesn't Capcom port Devil May Cry and Onimusha over to the Gamecube? Sales of REmake shows that the market is there! Do they not like money?

That sucked.

well, if it keeps selling the least of the next gen consoles, there is a change it will happen.

 

[Quagm1r3]

Perception is reality though, and the public perception is...

Right after I read that I looked at the motto of the poster below you...

"PENIS PENIS PENIS..." :lol :lol :lol

 

[Grayman]

well, he did plainly admit to being a fanboy (or stealth OGM to make 360 fans look bad, give or take)

I'd have sooner had him call the PS3 stupid and smelly :lol

oh well it took the 360 almost a year before it started getting hot games.

 

[TEH-CJ]

What people need to remember is that even though the PS2 started off slow, there was no other competition. The Gamecube and Xbox weren't out yet. So I don't think that argument is valid here.

The PS2 garnered all the hype when it came out earlier than everything else. The media basically had an orgy with the PS2 and third party support jumped on the bandwagon. Consequently, the more impressively spec'd xbox got the shaft and always had less games to choose from. The gamecube was a disaster because all nintendo could talk about was their lame gameboy connectivity feature. I stupidly purchased one. What a bunch of trash. It will be interesting to see how much longer Nintendo can throw these "innovations" at us before people get sick of them. Wii Fit?? Bleah!

The situation with the PS2 and Xbox is strange because it looks like the mirror image of the PS2 coming out first. However, it seems that Playstation fans are quick to come to the defense of the powerful PS3 without remembering that the xbox was a better system than the PS2. And look what happened to the xbox.

I love good games, but I would love nothing more than to see Sony fall flat on their faces. I wasn't happy with the PS1 stealing the spotlight and 3rd party game support from the N64. And I wasn't happy with the PS2 constantly being praised for how awesome it was, when in actuality, the only thing good about it was that 3rd party game developers were prostituting themselves with Sony, leading to the PS2 having all the games. Imagine the quality of the games that would have been created if the xbox had had more support? And now I'm sick of hearing how the PS3 is so amazing. I say eff Sony. I'm a microsoft fanboy through and through. I don't see why Americans support the japanese market so much when the japanese market refuses to acknowledge that american-made games and consoles can be pretty darn good, too.

You guys were wanting something more interesting from this thread. Does this help? I don't mind being flamed at all. It's all part of the fun. At least I'm writing what I really feel.

1. The ps2 had some strenghts over the xbox in terms of graphics

2. It was the 1st party games that destroyed the competetion

3." I'm a microsoft fanboy through and through " tell me why anyone here will take your post seriously then ?