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[richman555]

I think Sony failed with the PS3 because of -

Poor E3 showing last year

(this includes the introduction of the price, the non impressive launch titles, and the scrambling to put together a motion sensitive controller)

The high price could only be justified if the graphics where leaps and bounds better than the 360 and you would expect better motion controls than the considerably cheaper Nintendo system.

 

[antiloop]

In any case PS3 isn't failing here in Sweden. The biggest price comparing site has it as nr. 1 in popularity ranking since release in march. So it will keep living here at least.

Wii is currently in 3rd place.

 

[Sharp]

In any case PS3 isn't failing here in Sweden. The biggest price watching site has it as nr. 1 in popularity ranking since release in march. So it will keep living here at least.

Wii is currently in 3rd place.

What is a price watching site, exactly?

 

[Count Dookkake]

In any case PS3 isn't failing here in Sweden. The biggest price watching site has it as nr. 1 in popularity ranking since release in march. So it will keep living here at least.

Wii is currently in 3rd place.

That's presents a great opportunity for you to write your own book.

"How Sweden Saved the PS3"

Get writing!

 

[StevieP]

Someone should introduce you to sports or something so you stop treating the video game industry like a Gladiator death match.

Actually i would feel better if I had some comparable hardware and features, instead of sales from non-games to masturbate to.

I said "wow"

 

[mepaco]

You are still making an assumption that is true. Who the hell knows? And Sony won't tell a soul. Just have to keep an eye on the quarterly earnings reports.

Well, when the console launched, we had a lot of reliable sources that said they were losing money and most placed it at $100 or more (I actually think it was $200 but I'll be conservative). So, if they are selling it at $500 now, they would have had to cut manufacturing costs by at least 28% in less than a year to just break even. That is pretty substantial, and if they actually cut the price again for the holidays ... crazy.

 

[DemDereNads]

I think Sony failed with the PS3 because of -

Poor E3 showing last year

(this includes the introduction of the price, the non impressive launch titles, and the scrambling to put together a motion sensitive controller)

The high price could only be justified if the graphics where leaps and bounds better than the 360 and you would expect better motion controls than the considerably cheaper Nintendo system.

Wow, this sure would open a huge can of worms if it wasn't a joke post.

 

[DemDereNads]

I said "wow"

Yes, such a crime caring about the actual hardware and games rather than how it's selling.

 

[StevieP]

Yes, such a crime caring about the actual hardware and games rather than how it's selling.

Someone should introduce you to sports or something so you stop treating the video game industry like a Gladiator death match.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Yes, such a crime caring about the actual hardware and games rather than how it's selling.

In this thread, which is about a book discussing PS3's failure in the marketplace, that is such a crime.

 

[mepaco]

Yes, such a crime caring about the actual hardware and games rather than how it's selling.

From the OP:

Tane, an editor for culture mag Continue, was originally of the opinion that the PS3 would follow the PS2 as this generation's leading console. Less than a year of the console being on sale, apparently, has convinced him otherwise.

This thread is all about sales.

 

[noleshark]

Well, when the console launched, we had a lot of reliable sources that said they were losing money and most placed it at $100 or more. So, if they are selling it at $500 now, they would have had to cut manufacturing costs by at least 28% in less than a year to just break even. That is pretty substantial, and if they actually cut the price again for the holidays ... crazy.

Are you at all familiar with the economics of mass production? The savings on the blue laser diode is nearly $50, the removal of the EE chipsets ($?), then of course the savings due to improvements in the yields of Cell, etc., a 28% reduction is not at all impossible. Also the reduction in SKU's (please keep it 1 Sony). There is a lot of room for price reduction in the original PS3 configuration.

 

[DemDereNads]

Someone should introduce you to sports or something so you stop treating the video game industry like a Gladiator death match.

In this thread, which is about a book discussing PS3's failure in the marketplace, that is such a crime.

Hmm... perhaps a good point. Should have stayed on topic instead of responding to the blue ribbon stupidity.

 

[mepaco]

Are you at all familiar with the economics of mass production? The savings on the blue laser diode is nearly $50, the removal of the EE chipsets ($?), then of course the savings due to improvements in the yields of Cell, etc., a 28% reduction is not at all impossible. Also the reduction in SKU's (please keep it 1 Sony). There is a lot of room for price reduction in the original PS3 configuration.

Well, I was conservative in my estimates. Most put the original cost closer to $800 which would put the reduction closer to 38%. In any case, unless you have any proof to the contrary I don't see why I should assume that your opinion (dramatic production cost drop) is any more valid than mine (price is dropping faster than production costs or at least fast enough for them to still be losing money).

 

[noleshark]

Well, I was conservative in my estimates. Most put the original cost closer to $800 which would put the reduction closer to 38%. In any case, unless you have any proof to the contrary I don't see why I should assume that your opinion (dramatic production cost drop) is any more valid than mine (price is dropping faster than production costs or at least fast enough for them to still be losing money).

That is the rub. The $800 figure came from a Merrill Lynch analyst not from Sony. In reality this figure was probably inflated. Since none of us know what Sony is paying for parts and assembly we have no idea. I have read that some analysts thought the PS3 was no longer losing money per console in July. Now with the price drop, who knows for sure?

 

[Neomoto]

This thread lives up to its potential!

Unlike PS3!

 

[m14]

I think this is all rather too hasty. The PS3 is going places, there's no getting away from that.

 

[Tobor]

I think this is all rather too hasty. The PS3 is going places, there's no getting away from that.

So far, consumers have done a pretty good job of getting away from it.

 

[Draft]

I think it mainly failed because Sony didn't spend enough time explaining how powerful the CELL and BLU RAY DISC the graphical heart of the PLAYSTATION 3 are.

 

[PataHikari]

I think this is all rather too hasty. The PS3 is going places, there's no getting away from that.

You mean places like the Mariana Trench?

 

[antiloop]

What is a price watching site, exactly?

It guess it's swedish thing. But it's a price tracking site and lists nearly everything you could ever need.

 

[cortland_andrus]

Like it or not, Resistance:FoM IS an AAA title... Great gameplay, decent story, decent length, great sound, great graphics, tons of polish, and the measuring stick for Online MP games... That title hit Day 1... And there's more coming very very very soon...


Yeah, I've heard PS3 fanboys go on and on all year about how fantastic games like Heavenly Sword, Warhawk and Lair were going to be..

btw- I owned the thread on page 25. I'd love to hear someone's rebuttal.

 

[diddlyD]

You mean places like the Mariana Trench?

oy vey

 

[Kintaro]

Yeah, I've heard PS3 fanboys go on and on all year about how fantastic games like Heavenly Sword, Warhawk and Lair were going to be..

Two out of three ain't bad.

 

[YourMom]

In any case PS3 isn't failing here in Sweden. The biggest price comparing site has it as nr. 1 in popularity ranking since release in march. So it will keep living here at least.

Wii is currently in 3rd place.

ps3 are the most sold in denmark to. It even outsells the wii 3 to 1 in some stores after the starter pack.

 

[Donnie]

This sort of attitude just kind of snowballs, as we've seen. Sensible rational people will look at the PS3's performance from a long term perspective, but we live in emotion-driven sensationalistic times, and the "feeling" one gets from any given situation is always more important to most people than the facts.

If you'd like to learn more about Emotion Versus Reason, visit your local library.

Sony weren't so unhappy when the PS2 was succeeding for the same reason..

 

[FIREBABY]

This thread is still open huh?

 

[Mojovonio]

Unlike PS3!

ICE COLD!!!!

 

[Tobor]

This thread is still open huh?

There are a few wounded still struggling.

 

[knitoe]

Simple:

1) Price. Whoever thought it was a good idea to sale a console for $500-600 was sniffing something. Needs to get down to $300 asap, PS3 and X360.

2) Software. Still today, where are the killer games?

 

[Ramenman]

I think it mainly failed because Sony didn't spend enough time explaining how powerful the CELL and BLU RAY DISC the graphical heart of the PLAYSTATION 3 are.

"Sony" ? You must mean "SONY", right ?

 

[charlequin]

which one of those goes best with pineapple AND ISN'T PORK DAMMIT

I'm a little late to the party here, but pizza + pinapple + onions = sex in the mouth.

 

[cortland_andrus]

Two out of three ain't bad.


Two of out three what? Killer apps or standard good games in the 8 range?

Can we whip out everything from say Excite Truck, WarioWare or Super Paper Mario to Resident Evil 4 wiimake to stuff like Trauma Center for the Wii as games of this calibur? These are the kinds of games that as far as the reviewers and sales are looking, are right there alongside stuff like Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm or VF5 for the PS3. And they're all second tier to stuff out already like Wii Sports, Zelda or Metroid, or stuff right around the corner like SSB or Galaxy.

Just wondering if it was cool to lump stuff like WarioWare and Heavenly Sword together when measuring overall quality.

 

[Master Z]

Two out of three ain't bad.


Two of out three what? Killer apps or standard good games in the 8 range?

Can we whip out everything from say Excite Truck, WarioWare or Super Paper Mario to Resident Evil 4 wiimake to stuff like Trauma Center for the Wii as games of this calibur? These are the kinds of games that as far as the reviewers and sales are looking, are right there alongside stuff like Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm or VF5 for the PS3. And they're all second tier to stuff out already like Wii Sports, Zelda or Metroid, or stuff right around the corner like SSB or Galaxy.

Just wondering if it was cool to lump stuff like WarioWare and Heavenly Sword together when measuring overall quality.

Warhawk is a killer app for me. Don't know about HS yet but I'll find out next week. For real man, fuck a review score. I've played both Bioshock and MP3 and guess what, I liked MP3 more. I couldn't care less what reviews have to say I know what I like.

 

[Tobor]

Warhawk is a killer app for me. Don't know about HS yet but I'll find out next week. For real man, fuck a review score. I've played both Bioshock and MP3 and guess what, I liked MP3 more. I couldn't care less what reviews have to say I know what I like.

This part is intriguing. Tell me more?

 

[Arde5643]

Two out of three ain't bad.


Two of out three what? Killer apps or standard good games in the 8 range?

Can we whip out everything from say Excite Truck, WarioWare or Super Paper Mario to Resident Evil 4 wiimake to stuff like Trauma Center for the Wii as games of this calibur? These are the kinds of games that as far as the reviewers and sales are looking, are right there alongside stuff like Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm or VF5 for the PS3. And they're all second tier to stuff out already like Wii Sports, Zelda or Metroid, or stuff right around the corner like SSB or Galaxy.

Just wondering if it was cool to lump stuff like WarioWare and Heavenly Sword together when measuring overall quality.

Harsh....
Unfortunately, that just shows how much 1st party Sony stuffs falter compared to Nintendo's 1st party stuffs - and don't even talk about MS 1st party compared to Nintendo's.

I think the only console developer that can survive with lackluster sales and 3rd party games solely due to their 1st party efforts is probably Nintendo.

 

[K0NY]

I haven't read the book so what exactly is the author claiming the Playstation 3 failed at? Because despite its high price and lack of compelling exclusives, people are buying it. Despite all the hate aimed at Sony across the Internet, with rootkits and exploding laptop batteries and corporate arrogance, sales are not great but they are consistant.

What happens when a good game or two hit the market? Does anyone doubt that will happen?

 

[Aurora]

Why was the Japanese removed from the title?

This thread is no longer cool.

 

[Tobor]

I haven't read the book so what exactly is the author claiming the Playstation 3 failed at? Because despite its high price and lack of compelling exclusives, people are buying it. Despite all the hate aimed at Sony across the Internet, with rootkits and exploding laptop batteries and corporate arrogance, sales are not great but they are consistant.

What happens when a good game or two hit the market? Does anyone doubt that will happen?

What happened when a good game or two came out for Gamecube?

 

[Master Z]

This part is intriguing. Tell me more?

Bioshock is great and all but I guess I'm just into Metroid more. Truth be told I haven't beaten any of them but from what I played Metroid was just a better experience for me. Just my personal taste.

 

[Haunted]

Unlike PS3!

zing!

 

[Tobor]

Bioshock is great and all but I guess I'm just into Metroid more. Truth be told I haven't beaten any of them but from what I played Metroid was just a better experience for me. Just my personal taste.

I just wanted to see if you were serious or using that as a discussion point. I like MP3 a lot, but Bioshock is the better game. I would love to see Bioshock with MP3's controls. Best of both worlds.

 

[belvedere]

So if a Japanese games journalist considers the PS3 a failure, wtf does he have to say about the 360?

:lol

 

[Arde5643]

So if a Japanese games journalist considers the PS3 a failure, wtf does he have to say about the 360?

:lol

He can't say anything about 360 since it's performing well in US - not the same with PS3.

 

[Tobor]

So if a Japanese games journalist considers the PS3 a failure, wtf does he have to say about the 360?

:lol

20 pages too late. You're going to need a time machine and 1.21 gigawatts to make jokes that stale fly.

 

[DaCocoBrova]

I think it mainly failed because Sony didn't spend enough time explaining how powerful the CELL and BLU RAY DISC the graphical heart of the PLAYSTATION 3 are.

The games on offer haven't demonstrated that either. Especially the multiplatform titles.

 

[StevieP]

So if a Japanese games journalist considers the PS3 a failure, wtf does he have to say about the 360?

The same things they said about the XBox and the Gamecube. What did we call those?

 

[Kintaro]

Two of out three what? Killer apps or standard good games in the 8 range?

You ok? You need some cold water? Here's what you said:

Yeah, I've heard PS3 fanboys go on and on all year about how fantastic games like Heavenly Sword, Warhawk and Lair were going to be..

Did you say AAA? Did you say killer apps? No. You said Fantastic games. Warhawk is a fantastic game. Heavenly Sword is a fantastic game (albeit short). LAIR...isn't. Two out of three ain't bad.

 

[belvedere]

The same things they said about the XBox and the Gamecube. What did we call those?

I dunno, why wasn't the PS2 included in your predictable rebuttal? I know that PS2 games are still being released despite the PS2 launching long before either of the two consoles you just mentioned.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Here is a nice book to go at the other end of the shelf.