Good Job Bob
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The problem with your argument is that "objective meaningfulness" doesn't exist, what you're describing in your arguments is more akin to objective truths.
Why I'm Making My Husband Miss The Super Bowl
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DonasaurusRex
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lets see how long this BS keeps up when theres some social gathering she wants to go to during the SB weekend.
Someone summed it up quite well earlier.
Page 1- "Hey, I pussywhipped my husband, look at me gloat."
Page 9- "Existentialism, nihilism, meaning of life."
Mammoth Jones
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I agree completely. But it's done and it is what it is. He has to now ask himself what's more important....a football game or his anniversary.
Priorities.....
mysticwhip
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lil wayne needs to teach opiate how to love
ClovingWestbrook
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Lol. Damn.
Fairly incredibly selfish of her really. Sounds like a great marriage.
Knows it's an important event for him, decides to act like a priss and demand attention.
Their anniversary is obviously also special, but could be celebrated at any time during that day.
The superbowl is played at one specific time.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Now if Opiate was saying that Lil Wayne was not productive for society I wouldn't have posted in here so much..
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Lol. When you going to throw up the next ignorant mix, anyway? You need to start charging for them suckers.
Meaningful to who? Meaning is something that each person finds in things. It is not an inherent quality of anything.
In the abstract, the ability to accomplish an arbitrary intended purpose is not meaningful any more than the inability to accomplish an intended purpose is meaningful. There are infinitely many things that may accomplish all sorts of totally pointless things. Something gains meaning when it contributes to a purpose that has meaning.
Ultimately, the question boils down to 'what is the meaning of (your) life?' The answer to that question is the root from which all other things gain meaning.
I'll ask you not to be rude. I've refrained from mentioning it before (As people can obviously offend others unintentionally on occasion), but your vituperatives have been incessant and very direct. This is a reasonable discussion; if you cannot engage without being calm, do not engage at all. I am trying to listen. Please explain your position to me. I know I have specifically asked you several questions -- you have answered none of them directly. You've just said "Come on, you can't be this stupid!" Answer directly please. Explain why I am stupid. Provide evidence and logic to support your position.
I'm explicitly admitting that I also watch sports, so I'm not sure how I'm placing myself above others. I will say this as well: there are many people who living today who are objectively better than I am. My best friend is better than I am.
This is not what I'm saying. Many things have subjective value.
Right, they should. As should I. I'm not sure how that's in contention. As extreme examples, surely people who eat large quantities of hohos and doritos would be better off not doing so? Surely people who do nothing productive with their lives would be better off if they had?
Or are we arguing that all life choices are equally valid and no one is better than anyone else?
Yes it is. Medicine works whether we happen to know about it or not. For example, the cure for type I pancreatic carcinoma is meaningful, even if no human person ever discovers it. It has objective meaning; meaning is defined by the rules and principles of the universe.
I do think the arguments become more robust if we assume some simple axioms, but it isn't necessary in this case.
dream
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Without getting too deep into normative ethics, what is the problem with believing that many -- not all -- life choices are equally valid?
mysticwhip
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what the fuck
Nothing specifically, other than (again) that it is uninformative. If you'd like to argue that almost everything is equally valid, that's fine; but then, you'd have to agree that a fascination with shoelaces is just as important as a fascination with basketball. Or a fascination with Hello Kitty. Or Pokemon.
There have been a few very good points made, I think -- at least from my perspective -- by those who disagree with me. I wouldn't still be discussing the issue if it wasn't informative and helpful.
At a certain point it becomes argument for the sake of argument, and we've been past that point for pages now with the way you've been responding.
This sums up perfectly how I feel:
I need to go to bed and prepare for work tomorrow: I mention this only because I am clearly the focal point of the continuing discussion here. Again, I apologize to anyone I offended, as it was not intentional. I try very hard to be as objective and dispassionate as possible to avoid offending people.
On that note, I would also say that it personally hurts me when people compare me to a robot or machine; that doesn't mean you can't say it, of course (it certainly isn't bannable), but I'm a little confused by it. I work very hard to be a good person; I love my friends and family deeply, I run my own charity because I am concerned with helping others, and I'm very passionate about my interests. I do hope that those who have treated me with hostility will consider that I am not a machine, and I am only trying as best I can to be objective, fair, and reasonable in my analysis.
Good night, and thanks for the informative discussion.
On that note, I would also say that it personally hurts me when people compare me to a robot or machine; that doesn't mean you can't say it, of course (it certainly isn't bannable), but I'm a little confused by it. I work very hard to be a good person; I love my friends and family deeply, I run my own charity because I am concerned with helping others, and I'm very passionate about my interests. I do hope that those who have treated me with hostility will consider that I am not a machine, and I am only trying as best I can to be objective, fair, and reasonable in my analysis.
Good night, and thanks for the informative discussion.
ClovingWestbrook
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Isn't that a verb and not a noun btw?
It is an adjective natively. I'm using the substantive form, a la "The good, the bad, and the ugly." (Okay, goodnight now).
blame space
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goddamnit opiate you are just the best
I don't agree that necessarily implies it is meaningful. Or at least, that's not what I'd take 'meaningful' to mean. As I stated there may be infinitely many things that are in total agreement with the universe, but that no human would ever care about.
Hypothetically, you could present something to every intelligent creature that ever existed or that ever will exist and find that none of them care about it, even if it were 'meaningful' in the sense you describe. But then, what is the use of determining if things are meaningful or not? If meaningful things may be useless to the people discovering them, it seems difficult to justify investing time and energy into an activity solely because it discovers meaningful things.
Indeed, you seem to agree with this implicitly in your other statements. You rejected that a fascination with shoelaces is important, but the discovery of intricate details about shoelaces is no different from the discovery of a cure to pancreatic carcinoma from the perspective of being in line with the rules and principles of the universe.
Anyways, good night Opiate. Sorry about piling this stuff on.
ultrazilla
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First post nails it.
I'm personally more worried about the state of our country.
It's completely fine to have interests/hobbies but they seem to
be taken in excess with many people.
When more people watch American Idol or Dancing
with the Stars than vote in this country, it's a very sad state of affairs.
AZ Greg
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There is no need for nominalization.
"I've refrained from mentioning it before (As people can obviously offend others unintentionally on occasion), but your vituperation has been incessant and very direct."
Would have gotten the job done much better.
WanderingWind
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Hm. Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I specifically called you intelligent, and have in fact, responded quite a few times. I did say I was rethinking certain things about you, but that was your ability to discern analogues. Never once said "stupid." I'll assume you missed this due to the fast pace of the thread.
...and sorry. I'm not going to apologize for not being as dispassionate as you. I don't find it a trait to aspire to, personally. But I definitely wasn't angry, or upset. One emotional statement does not a consistent frame of mind make.
Sports-gaf have simultaneously demonstrated themselves to be both bigger douchebags than the wife (the vitriol being directed at her is fucking pathetic) and more angry about this than the husband is likely to be about missing the Superbowl once every 6/7 years.
I've got no problem with people being fanatical about sports but nor do I have a problem with someone feeling strongly about celebrating their anniversary, let alone their first. Have any of you saying "lol have brunch instead" ever been married? If so, even if that would fly for you today (as it probably would for me to be honest), the fact that this is their first anniversary is a contributing factor.
It doesn't really matter which of the 2 events you value more highly; the fact that he only has to skip the game twice a decade and then only if his team isn't even playing really doesn't make his wife the horrible person or the husband the eunuch doormat that most of you are making them out to be.
I've got no problem with people being fanatical about sports but nor do I have a problem with someone feeling strongly about celebrating their anniversary, let alone their first. Have any of you saying "lol have brunch instead" ever been married? If so, even if that would fly for you today (as it probably would for me to be honest), the fact that this is their first anniversary is a contributing factor.
It doesn't really matter which of the 2 events you value more highly; the fact that he only has to skip the game twice a decade and then only if his team isn't even playing really doesn't make his wife the horrible person or the husband the eunuch doormat that most of you are making them out to be.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I was only involved with hobbies are worthless unless you making medicine.. but the article is a I whipped my husband and you can too type to me.. but whatever.
Marty Chinn
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I was ok with it when she said it was their first anniversary but then her justification got worse and worse as the article went on. Heck, he makes his living from doing such a thing and it sounds like the anniversary is so important that she won't compromise. For something that is so important, it was a bad idea to put their wedding at that point in time and to not make it something that is a part of his life.
I definitely disagree with much of what Opiate is saying and I agree that the tone of the article doesn't do the wife any favours, BUT, it would be nice to discuss the issue at hand sans the kneejerk reactions.
I do see your point but some people - fair enough, not ALL of sports-gaf - just go too damn far.
ThisWreckage
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They really haven't. Both parties in this scenario are morons and they deserve one another. It's no wonder why they got married in the first place.
Ploid 3.0
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Sports is medical research for the development of the super human. We get better shoes, better exercise clothes with great breathing, and energy drinks like gatoraid. Sports helped my grandma take morning walks around town for exercise with it's comfortable tennis shoes. You go sports, providing awesome gear for everyday life. The NASA of being fit, keeping people out of the need of a doctor's care freeing up emergency rooms.
My, my aren't we find of the hyperbole. A mutual agreement to miss the Superbowl 2 times a decade - and don't forget he actually got to watch it at the restaurant bar - for their anniversary makes them both morons?
Marty Chinn
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Not sure how mutual it is when he was sorta forced into it. It clearly says it's not his first choice of plans and she clearly says that if she had her way, he'd never watch it. There are all sorts of warning flags going off in that article.
fabricated backlash
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Well, that's why it's important to set the rules straight from the beginning.
In this case, both of them act like complete idiots. For one, the argument about how practical their wedding date was is made obsolete by the subsequent notion of sanctity of said date. If you pretend to chose a practical date over your own romantic ideas, then do it right.
The guy was an idiot to go along with this as well. Oh, sure I enjoy this, but since you said this date was practical, I go along with it. Hell, I'm sure the other 26 days of February would all be too busy anyway right?
"Your ass is now mine, now show me that you love me more than your football game. Besides I'm wearing leather, so you better be thankfull to get as much."
This has nothing to do with gender equality. This is a simple case of one persons complete disregard of another persons private space, masking it with some silly love-proof. This doesn't look like a healthy foundation to base a marriage off.
In this case, both of them act like complete idiots. For one, the argument about how practical their wedding date was is made obsolete by the subsequent notion of sanctity of said date. If you pretend to chose a practical date over your own romantic ideas, then do it right.
The guy was an idiot to go along with this as well. Oh, sure I enjoy this, but since you said this date was practical, I go along with it. Hell, I'm sure the other 26 days of February would all be too busy anyway right?
"Your ass is now mine, now show me that you love me more than your football game. Besides I'm wearing leather, so you better be thankfull to get as much."
This has nothing to do with gender equality. This is a simple case of one persons complete disregard of another persons private space, masking it with some silly love-proof. This doesn't look like a healthy foundation to base a marriage off.
Not gonna read through 14 pages to see if this was addressed, but here's a good study on why people watch sports and what they experience when they do:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7179471/this-your-brain-sports
So you may not garner exercise as a benefit, but your brain can enjoy these 'fruitless' experiences if you let it.
tuna on toast
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Just tell some people to shut the fuck up or if they post something stupid, reply with this -
You'll quickly shed that robot label.
This is it exactly. You get this tone from the onset of the article and it continues right on through as you finish reading her BS excuses for her behavior. It frankly sounds like a shitty situation for the husband to allow himself to be in... C'est la vie!
fabricated backlash
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I know a lot of married couples where one partner is taking advantage over the others emotional weakness by blackmailing them using "love" as an all encompassing argument to manipulate the partner to fit their needs and obsessive nature.
This is just another one of those cases where one partner believes that it's for the better to just give in to the others demands, for fear that the relation might break.
It's unhealthy, and mostly leads to an ugly end.
I've re-read the article a couple of times and come to the conclusion that she's a cunt. That's not intended as a specifically-gendered insult, it's intended because she's a cunt. I can't be bothered to go into the minutiae of why she's a cunt, but I feel that this nugget is a good start....
I love how his Sunday is inclusive and hers is based on some bullshit generalisation of 'what women want'. Newsflash, chicken, some women want to watch the Superbowl.
I can't stand sports but what I hate more is insecure people that find weak partners and use them to show how 'strong' and 'secure' they are.
Oh well, she's wearing a leather dress so I'm sure it's all OK somehow.
Yeah, there's enough there to gather up the rope, the rest of the article contains instructions on tying a noose.
I love how his Sunday is inclusive and hers is based on some bullshit generalisation of 'what women want'. Newsflash, chicken, some women want to watch the Superbowl.
I can't stand sports but what I hate more is insecure people that find weak partners and use them to show how 'strong' and 'secure' they are.
Oh well, she's wearing a leather dress so I'm sure it's all OK somehow.
Douchebags? How nice of you...
But no, really. She makes so many sacrifices. Like taking the dog out at 6:30am.
Nevermind the fact that she married the guy knowing full well that a) this was his passion and b) his passion was a big part of his career.
She's trying to change things that are fundamentally important to him after the fact. That's no way to have a healthy relationship. We aren't talking about substance abuse. She even planned their wedding knowing full-well that it would fall on Superbowl weekend. Why not schedule the wedding a week earlier or week later? You know why? Because she's selfish.
Sho_Nuff82
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Medicine is only inherently meaningful if you arbitrarily assign meaning to all human life. I think it's a mistake to try and assign "purpose" to physical realities; it's really a philosophical endeavor. I could easily argue that the world would be a better place if half the populace died in childbirth.
Er...
I don't get why they couldn't just go out and celebrate their anniversary the day before or day after, other than that she didn't write an article to show how whipped she has her husband in front of a national audience. I see no other advantage to this tactic than that, for her.
Good Job Bob
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Opiate thinks things can have "meaning" to the universe, which is utterly ridiculous in my opinion.
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