Why we're skipping Nintendo DS

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We were going to review the Nintendo DS here on Backstage, but we've decided not to.

As a former game magazine editor and lifelong gadget lover, I'm about as close to a lock for buying portable game hardware as anyone you'd know. And with a cross-country trip coming up next week, I would sure love to have something new to play with. But after serious consideration, I've decided to pass on buying the new Nintendo DS system, cancelled my pre-order, and am most likely going to hold off on picking one up for a while.

There are three reasons for this: software, pricing, and the hardware. Click on Read More for the details.

First, not only isn't the system's launch library compelling in any way, but the individual titles that looked most promising have turned out to be not that great after all. The system's big launch title is Super Mario 64 DS, Nintendo's umpteenth attempt to repackage a Mario game I purchased eight years ago (yes, eight years ago) and sell it to me on a screen with less detail. Since the DS has no analog controller, I can attach a thumbstrap to my hand if I want to simulate analog control. No thanks. I was the world's biggest Mario 64 supporter back in 1996, but if I'm spending $30 or $40 on a game, I want something new. Since the Game Boy Advance came out, Nintendo has become all about repackaging old games wih minimal improvements, and I'm frankly sick and tired of it.

The rest of the DS's near-term software library isn't anything to get excited about, either. They've got such a crappy looking version of Ridge Racer coming that they're almost selling Sony's competing PlayStation Portable (PSP) title just by showing DS screen shots, some more rehashes of old Electronic Arts games that I didn't want before, and a once-promising game from Sega called Feel the Magic that's turned out to be a blow-through-it, average hardware demo. Potentially good games like Wario Ware, Metroid Prime Hunters, and Advance Wars are all a ways off. I don't want to be suckered into spending $120-$150 on a few titles that I'll never turn on again after a week or two, so it's worth waiting for some legitimate software to emerge.

Pricing for the system's too steep at $149.99, too. As I said here months ago when rumors were circulating as to the DS's street price, this thing is a hell of a lot more compelling at $99 or $129 than $149, because a perfectly excellent Game Boy Advance SP sells for $79.99, has substantially better battery life, is more portable and pocketable, and plays a huge collection of decent to above-decent games. I was willing to be persuaded otherwise by good software, but it hasn't happened. As an adult consumer, the DS looks comparatively weak in the practical features I care about and strong only in features I'd never use. It also looks like Nintendo is shaking down early adopters of the DS for around $50 - there were suggestions that the company was once ready to price the DS at $99 just to move units - and a lot of people are going to be pissed a few months from now when the price drops to fight off Sony's PSP.

There are plenty of Nintendo apologists who would list off DS features and try to convince you that you really wanted two screens and a stylus, but when it really comes down to it there aren't any games right now that are doing killer things with both of those screens. I've played with the system dating back to E3, and while there have been some good ideas for the double display, there aren't many. Some high-profile games are using the second screen for nothing more than horrid looking control systems or bland 2-D maps. And you can't practically use the stylus while controlling games with the joystick and buttons.

At $149.99, I'm passing. Even if they sell millions of them, and regardless of whatever ridiculous crap Nintendo is trying to feed people by handing out DS hardware to and getting quotes from a bunch of second-tier celebrities, the Nintendo DS is a console desperately in need of better software and a more compelling price point before I'll become interested in shelling out cash for it. Nintendo's already said that a true Game Boy Advance 2 with better graphics is coming out soon (rendering the DS a third wheel on a bicycle), so maybe I'll even wait for that, instead. For now, I'll be enjoying my iPod and old GBASP on my trip, thanks very much.
 
What technology isn't more expensive upon release and doesn't eventually get out of date?

Also, this is not the GBA2. Jesus.
 
Who is this guy and why does his opinion matter? Sounds like the average troll here, just used more words. It's interesting he talks about the price so much when he bought the most overpriced gadget around already. Whatever floats your boat.
 
Random_Hajile said:
Hi guys, look at plagiarism at work.

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Edit: Also of note, this Horwitz fellow was an editor for "Gamers Today."

I've never heard of this magazine, anyone else?
 
Unison said:
What technology isn't more expensive upon release and doesn't eventually get out of date?

Also, this is not the GBA2. Jesus.


??

The article didn't say it was....


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Matlock: He obviously worded what he was saying poorly. Instead of "eight years ago" he should have just said "years ago."

SMB 1-3 multiple times, SMW, SMW2, SM 64...

And for one, I agree with him. There is nothing to be excited about on the DS right now. Nothing.


*edit*

My whole post is moot now since Matlock edited his. Except for the agreeing with the guy part. May the Nintendo lovers continue to throw their arms up at will.
 
I don't follow videogames that closely anymore, but I'd have to agree. I don't see any appeal with the DS. Average 3D graphics, too big, lame game selection.

Too bad considering I used to be the biggest Nintendo fan ever a few years ago.
 
entirely accurate. the ds is too expensive and lacks any software that validates its design choices. if it's still around in a year, i'll consider it then.
 
Idle Will Kill said:
Could someone post a list of launch games? I find it really lame that Nintendo will launch a new system with the flagship game being a rehash.

Wasn't the flagship game for GBA Super Mario Bros 2 remake? Wasn't the GBC flagship game the remake of Super Mario Bros.??
 
I actually agree with most of his points. The DS isn't all that hot right now with the ho-hum launch titles. Do we really need to play Mario 64 again? Now that GCN is more or less dead, why did Nintendo not use that CPU to power a portable console?
 
Don't BOYCOTT the DS. Just skip it and lobby devs to focus on PSP :D :D :D

I'm considering making the PSP my first major, major import. December bay-beh.
 
Alex Anderson said:
And for one, I agree with him. There is nothing to be excited about on the DS right now. Nothing.

You need to learn to not state your opinion as fact. I could say the exact same thing about the Xbox and PS2.
 
Vagabond said:
Don't BOYCOTT the DS. Just skip it and lobby devs to focus on PSP :D :D :D

I'm considering making the PSP my first major, major import. December bay-beh.



No, boycott the DS. And post hundreds of threads of Ridge Racer PSP shots.
 
Unison said:
Wasn't the flagship game for GBA Super Mario Bros 2 remake? Wasn't the GBC flagship game the remake of Super Mario Bros.??

gba also had new versions of castlevania and mario kart at launch. gbc had a bunch of early remakes, though. super mario brothers, zelda: la, tetris...part of the reason i never bothered with it.
 
Obviously, it is a lousy decision of Nintendo to only launch w/ Mario. They assume (correctly) that they don't need more than that to sell out, so they are saving their games (several which are already finished) so they can release them gradually. While I'm disappointed by this, I realize that if they dropped everything @ launch, we'd all be whining in 4 months when we had nothing to play and nothing on the immediate horizon.
 
I wanna know why anyone would care what the hell a Mac fanboy has to say? Especially about a gaming system, what do they know about gaming? I love my iPod, and I buy Mac products, but this floppy cock has nothing to complain about when it comes to buying the same god damn thing over and over again at insane prices.
 
drohne said:
gba also had new versions of castlevania and mario kart at launch. gbc had a bunch of early remakes, though. super mario brothers, zelda: la, tetris...part of the reason i never bothered with it.

I thought GBA Mario Kart came out a month later or so...
 
kitchenmotors said:
I wanna know why anyone would care what the hell a Mac fanboy has to say? Especially about a gaming system, what do they know about gaming? I love my iPod, and I buy Mac products, but this floppy cock has nothing to complain about when it comes to buying the same god damn thing over and over again at insane prices.

"How to try to unvalidate other's opinion without a damn argument"
 
drohne said:
gba also had new versions of castlevania and mario kart at launch.
Mario Kart was at least two months after launch, I think...which would make it similar to the position Wario Ware is in for the DS.
 
"Nintendo's already said that a true Game Boy Advance 2 with better graphics is coming out soon"

Is this true? Then why the hell are they releasing a new handheld now? It wasnt really all that long since GBA came out either. And considering how great GBA is selling I find it even more odd why they then couldnt wait and release GBA 2 instead, and be able to compete with the PSP technologically.
 
Nintendo messed up by launching a weak handheld and taking focus off of the GBA while Sony is preparing a strong handheld and is approaching this seriously. Nintendo coulda just done the PS2-move on Sony (HCB,HCF+P close to opponent) and launched the GBA successor with a ton of hype a year later.

The DS just seems so unorganized. Who launches a system on a SUNDAY? Maybe they'll catch the After-Thanksgiving store rush since the DS launches a couple of days after Thanksgiving. (If it still is going to be released this year)
 
Memles said:
Mario Kart was at least two months after launch, I think...which would make it similar to the position Wario Ware is in for the DS.


Yeah, this is typical Nintendo trickery. I fully expect it, so I am not at all disappointed / bent out of shape about it.
 
I don't see whats so bad about the article myself. 150 dollars isn't cheap for this handheld,and to be honest the software isn't jaw dropingly great. I think the tone of the article probably struck a nerve with the ever faithful. Just forget it and move on though. Not every media type is going to like the DS right off the bat anyways,its to be expected.
 
Vagabond said:
The DS just seems so unorganized. Who launches a system on a SUNDAY? Maybe they'll catch the After-Thanksgiving store rush since the DS launches a couple of days after Thanksgiving. (If it still is going to be released this year)

No, it launches THIS Sunday... before Thanksgiving.
 
Gregory said:
"Nintendo's already said that a true Game Boy Advance 2 with better graphics is coming out soon"

Is this true? Then why the hell are they releasing a new handheld now? It wasnt really all that long since GBA came out either. And considering how great GBA is selling I find it even more odd why they then couldnt wait and release GBA 2 instead, and be able to compete with the PSP technologically.

GBcolor --- year and a half --- GBA --- year and a half --- GBASP --- year and a half --- Nintendo DS --- etc etc etc etc

There's definetely a pattern here and i'm never gonna fall for it.
 
Sony needs to develop the next Pokemon. Till then if there is an original *cough* Pokemon title on it then it doesn't matter how many systems Sony sells for PSP, they will be arse creamed if Nintendo release the new Poke's during a holiday season.

Any naysayers look towards not only Sapphire/Ruby, but the *shock horror* remakes that are Fire and Leaf.
 
Gregory said:
"Nintendo's already said that a true Game Boy Advance 2 with better graphics is coming out soon"

Is this true? Then why the hell are they releasing a new handheld now? It wasnt really all that long since GBA came out either. And considering how great GBA is selling I find it even more odd why they then couldnt wait and release GBA 2 instead, and be able to compete with the PSP technologically.
Beat me to it.

DS is experimental in regards to the next system, like the 32X and the Saturn [/devils advocate]
 
Vagabond said:
The DS just seems so unorganized. Who launches a system on a SUNDAY?
Although this is entirely off cue, try telling that to Enix for releasing Dragon Quest titles only on a weekend or public holiday.

Doesn't matter what day it launches, the masses will buy it if there is enough to go around.
 
DS version of Ridge Racer

OR

PSP version of Ridge Racer


That is indeed the question, because racers are the best genre to ever exist. That's why everyone's always looking forward to the next one a whole week after one is released for a console.
 
I agree. It's too expensive (and price drop may be imminent) and does not have enough compelling software yet. I'm also inclined to wait.

Still, with the new pokemon rpg games in its future, I suspect the DS is going to get quite hot. It seems designed for the next pokemon games with built in wireless communication for trades, the touch screen for menus and possible interaction with the pokemon (think nintendogs), the microphone for voice commands, a storage medium several times biggger, and 3d capability.

It has potential, but the launch software doesn't do a wonderful job of selling it IMO. It is a bit pathetic that the star launch title is a remake of a game almost a decade old that was designed to showcase the capabilities of another, very different, system. Anyone who played Mario 64 on the N64 must find the touch screen control initially disorienting simply becuase it's not the N64 analog stick. And, of course, using the d-pad is a giant step back. Ah well, maybe they're saving the DS killer apps to combat the PSP's appearance.
 
speedpop said:
Although this is entirely off cue, try telling that to Enix for releasing Dragon Quest titles only on a weekend or public holiday.

Doesn't matter what day it launches, the masses will buy it if there is enough to go around.
Dragon's Quest was required by law to only be launching on weekends or non-working days because it was so popular. Weekend launches are great (Friday, saturday) but Sundays typically see less traffic in stores than the aforementioned days and even weekdays. It, IMO, does not make sense IMO for a company to release a stopgap, experimental peice of hardware on a very slow retail day.
 
Vagabond said:
Nintendo messed up by launching a weak handheld and taking focus off of the GBA while Sony is preparing a strong handheld and is approaching this seriously. Nintendo coulda just done the PS2-move on Sony (HCB,HCF+P close to opponent) and launched the GBA successor with a ton of hype a year later.

The DS just seems so unorganized. Who launches a system on a SUNDAY? Maybe they'll catch the After-Thanksgiving store rush since the DS launches a couple of days after Thanksgiving. (If it still is going to be released this year)

yeah who launches a system the Sunday before Thanksgiving? :rolleyes:

much better to release it in March when nobody cares! :lol
 
The very idea seems funny to me. "We're not reviewing this... because it's too bad to review, and here's a review-like article to explain why."

I'd mostly agree about the early games, though. SM64DS seems exceptional, but otherwise it will be a while before the really interesting stuff like Wario Ware DS will show up here.

Vagabond said:
The DS just seems so unorganized. Who launches a system on a SUNDAY?
Nintendo. November 18, 2001.
 
Guys, I know this is going to be hard for some of you to fathom, but it is possible to NOT want a Nintendo product. Seriously.
 
Speevy said:
That is indeed the question, because racers are the best genre to ever exist. That's why everyone's always looking forward to the next one a whole week after one is released for a console.

You really need to work more on your sarcasm.
 
All Nintendo has to do with the next Gameboy is make it backward compatible with the Gamecube and Gameboy Advance. (possibly even the DS)

PSP's main advantage: Eliminated.



Few people seem to recognize that while the compelling reasons for getting a DS come down to a quirky "minigame madness!" novelty, the compelling reasons for getting a PSP are no different than the most compelling reasons to get a PS2.

So if I'm right and the Gameboy 2 lets you drop in your favorite GCN titles, will you guys buy it?
 
Raoul Duke said:
Guys, I know this is going to be hard for some of you to fathom, but it is possible to NOT want a Nintendo product.
Yeah, but apparently it's also not possible to NOT want a Nintendo product and NOT write an endless troll about that :)
 
Even though I have doubt about the handheld for the long term,theres no doubt I'm still tempted to walk into a Target store Sunday morning and buy one. But I really don't need it,I have way too many games to play.

Is there any chance that BlockBuster will have any for rent? Nintendo probaly have shipped just enough to satisfy the demand,bleh.
 
Vagabond said:
Dragon's Quest was required by law to only be launching on weekends or non-working days because it was so popular. Weekend launches are great (Friday, saturday) but Sundays typically see less traffic in stores than the aforementioned days and even weekdays. It, IMO, does not make sense IMO for a company to release a stopgap, experimental peice of hardware on a very slow retail day.
I know it's by law.

If indeed it was such a stopgap experimental piece of hardware, why are there so many pre-orders?

Personally I couldn't give a rats arse about the DS as of yet, but that does not mean that I have to be totally ignorant towards it.

I wouldn't have bought a PS2 and Xbox based purely on launch titles and sales figures of the first few weeks - that is the work of a moron brushing aside hardware based on biased facts and opinions.
 
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