Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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BurntPork said:
Ugh. That's the last thing I wanted to hear. A dev feeling they can push hardware to the limit with a launch title ported from current-gen hardware is horrible news and basically confirms that what they see is a console barely above the current gen. I really hope that it's just marketing speak.
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how'd you get all that from the Team Ninja thing?

I rather know they are trying to push it then they just ported over the PS3 version which they could have done instead of trying for a goal of being the best looking WiiU launch title
 
BurntPork said:
Ugh. That's the last thing I wanted to hear. A dev feeling they can push hardware to the limit with a launch title ported from current-gen hardware is horrible news and basically confirms that what they see is a console barely above the current gen. I really hope that it's just marketing speak.
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Im sorry, I didnt see the word "limit" being used.
I read it more like, they are going to do their best to make it stand out from the 360 and PS3 versions. Thats a positive sign for a launch title.

Also to add, from the article it seems like Nintendo is having a hard time getting those new dev kits out to the publishers/developers.

Have Nintendo given their third-party developers poorly-designed and even "cheap" development kits?
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http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/09/rumor-wii-u-in-development-hell.html

Maybe this is why Moore has decided to go in person to see what is going on. Either this does mean Nintendo is waiting for certain technologies to improve (delayed 28nm AMD chip?), or that department really sucks.
 
Damon Bennet said:
So did anyone think about the possibility of a 3DS player for WiiU?
With a touchscreen this is possible :o
I want it!
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I dont quite follow what you mean.
Can you elaborate?
 
BurntPork said:
Ugh. That's the last thing I wanted to hear. A dev feeling they can push hardware to the limit with a launch title ported from current-gen hardware is horrible news and basically confirms that what they see is a console barely above the current gen. I really hope that it's just marketing speak.
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They never said they can, they just said that they're interested in doing it.

How that statement can possibly be interpreted as a bad thing is beyond me...
 
BurntPork said:
A dev feeling they can push hardware to the limit with a launch title ported from current-gen
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Where did you infer that from?
He said something on the lines of "The team is interested in pushing the hardware as much as it can(the team)", he doesn't mention anywhere any hardware limits, and later on "Not just the specs, but the features that make WiiU unique".

Incindentally, Rogue leader was a launch-window game and pushed Gamecube's hardware to its limits, yet it was a very powerful console regardless.
 
I mean that Team Ninja sounds as if they're talking about current-gen hardware with known limits, rather than next-gen hardware with new possibilities.

And they said "as hard as it can," which sounds like "as hard as it can be pushed." And that sounds like "limit" to me.
 
Gianni Merryman said:
Where did you infer that from?
He said something on the lines of "The team is interested in pushing the hardware as much as it can(the team)", he doesn't mention anywhere any hardware limits, and later on "Not just the specs, but the features that make WiiU unique".

Incindentally, Rogue leader was a launch-window game and pushed Gamecube's hardware to its limits, yet it was a very powerful console regardless.
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Different interpretations, I guess.

And Rouge Leader wasn't a port of a previous-gen title.
 
Crap I really should stop reading this thread.

Think my brains melting again.

BurntHamsteak listen to me.

If somehow the WiiU is so far behind that even crap ports aren't possible then who cares?

Buy another console. I plan to see what Sony and MS do, but I'll probably end up with one of them as well. I know I don't want to go without Nintendo's games. I can't part with mah Zeldas.

But if it ends up by some weird twist of fate to be a WiivsPS3/360 scenario again... so what? You still got great games on both ends.

I just don't see how it's possible if MS is aiming for the same year as Nintendo.
 
BurntPork said:
I mean that Team Ninja sounds as if they're talking about current-gen hardware with known limits, rather than next-gen hardware with new possibilities.

And they said "as hard as it can," which sounds like "as hard as it can be pushed." And that sounds like "limit" to me.
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And you should know that the development cycle of a new console would keep that from happening anyway. As a third party they won't have enough time with the final hardware to know what it can truly do for a launch or near launch title.

And you also called it a port earlier. One thing you can take from the article is that it's not port.
 
BurntPork said:
I mean that Team Ninja sounds as if they're talking about current-gen hardware with known limits, rather than next-gen hardware with new possibilities.

And they said "as hard as it can," which sounds like "as hard as it can be pushed." And that sounds like "limit" to me.
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Nintendo could release a super computer and you would still troll it for being underpowered.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
Crap I really should stop reading this thread.

Think my brains melting again.

BurntHamsteak listen to me.

If somehow the WiiU is so far behind that even crap ports aren't possible then who cares?

Buy another console. I plan to see what Sony and MS do, but I'll probably end up with one of them as well. I know I don't want to go without Nintendo's games. I can't part with mah Zeldas.

But if it ends up by some weird twist of fate to be a WiivsPS3/360 scenario again... so what? You still got great games on both ends.

I just don't see how it's possible if MS is aiming for the same year as Nintendo.
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Because I want there to be tight competition between all three, which will result in all three trying to push themselves and each other.

And sorry. I can't help being pessimistic about stuff.
 
Gianni Merryman said:
Incindentally, Rogue leader was a launch-window game and pushed Gamecube's hardware to its limits, yet it was a very powerful console regardless.
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Rogue Leader didn't push the hardware to its limits - if it did, how could they have later released a sequel with much better graphics, including redoing all of Rogue Leader's levels with improved graphics and effects?
 
BurntPork said:
Because I want there to be tight competition between all three, which will result in all three trying to push themselves and each other.
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If Microsoft is really going high tech and late 2012 there will be easy scaling between the two platforms as a guarantee. Like settings somewhere between medium and ultra high or something. Probably not metric differences.

PS4 is the odd one out currently. I have no clue what to expect.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
If Microsoft is really going high tech and late 2012 there will be easy scaling between the two platforms as a guarantee. Like settings somewhere between medium and ultra high or something. Probably not metric differences.

PS4 is the odd one out currently. I have no clue what to expect.
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We'll see, I guess, but it seems like things never go the way they should...
 
Dreamwriter said:
Rogue Leader didn't push the hardware to its limits - if it did, how could they have later released a sequel with much better graphics, including redoing all of Rogue Leader's levels with improved graphics and effects?
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Sorry, I know that you are right, but for the purpose of the discussion I was pointing out that Rogue leader pushed Gamecube's hardware very hard from the start, maybe not to its limits but pretty much close to it, and it's tech-wise one of the best games on the console overall, along with Rogue leader III and Resident evil 4, that however came out quite later on.
 
BurntPork said:
We'll see, I guess, but it seems like things never go the way they should...
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Honestly, I look back on posts at the full Wiimote reveal and think "These people weren't entirely wrong."

Nintendo has forfeited, they are no longer part of the natural console progression. That was actually kind of true. Little did anyone know it was exactly what the market wanted at the time. In the end it didn't really matter.

Nintendo got C list dev support from 3rd parties. And they supported the console almost exclusively on their own. Which I think was the intention regardless. It just ended up being a bigger success than they could support alone.

It seems like they want back some of that support. But they had the same mantra at the start of the GCN generation and they got steamrolled.
 
bgassassin said:
That's from that old 01 piece. We already know things have changed since then so nothing can be taken from it anymore.
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Really? I missed that. I didnt hear anything about any new dev kits being sent out.
You got a link?
 
every other time burntpork posts in here, the thread takes a nosedive.

Why do people still take what he has to say seriously? His concerns are occasionally legitimate, but his logic is rarely sound.
 
Fernando Rocker said:
BurntPork confuses me a lot... does he likes Nintendo... is he a Nintendo hater? I really can't tell.
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I like Nintendo and the thought of them failing scares me. I'm a Nintendo fanboy. I admit it. I can't help it. They got me into gaming, and when they go down, so will I.
 
Microsoft is making a mistake by coming so soon after the WiiU they should have left the WiiU in a Dreamcast situation but now the WiiU has a good hope of at least being one little step lower than Next Box if not matching on the same level. To devs it won't matter at all.


Fernando Rocker said:
BurntPork confuses me a lot... does he likes Nintendo... is he a Nintendo hater? I really can't tell.
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the worst Nintendo Troll is often a Troll in Nintendo Fan clothing (in this case a burnt nintendo fan)

Nintendo fans have a right to be negative about hardware specs, all they can expect is a hardware durable enough not to break down as often as others but never ever as powerful
 
Smiles and Cries said:
Microsoft is making a mistake by coming so soon after the WiiU they should have left the WiiU in a Dreamcast situation but now the WiiU has a good hope of at least being one little step lower than Next Box if not matching on the same level. To devs it won't matter at all.




the worst Nintendo Troll is often a Troll in Nintendo Fan clothing (in this case a burnt nintendo fan)

Nintendo fans have a right to be negative about hardware specs, all they can expect is a hardware durable enough not to break down as often as others but never ever as powerful
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But the only console that has been underpowered compared to the competition is the Wii. Both he Gamecube and N64 were more or equally powerful as the PS1/PS2.
 
Fernando Rocker said:
But the only console that has been underpowered compared to the competition is the Wii. Both he Gamecube and N64 were more or equally powerful as the PS1/PS2.
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well, the DS/3DS are worth mentioning too, though for the record, I've never thought of the 3DS as underpowered
 
Smiles and Cries said:
Microsoft is making a mistake by coming so soon after the WiiU they should have left the WiiU in a Dreamcast situation but now the WiiU has a good hope of at least being one little step lower than Next Box if not matching on the same level. To devs it won't matter at all.




the worst Nintendo Troll is often a Troll in Nintendo Fan clothing (in this case a burnt nintendo fan)

Nintendo fans have a right to be negative about hardware specs, all they can expect is a hardware durable enough not to break down as often as others but never ever as powerful
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I'm not troll. I'm like this about everything that has the potential to disappoint me. it's just who I am.

And nice revisionist history there, pal.
 
BurntPork said:
when they go down, so will I.
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Fernando Rocker said:
But the only console that has been underpowered compared to the competition is the Wii. Both he Gamecube and N64 were more or equally powerful as the PS1/PS2.
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As a Nintendo fan, I will never forgive the Wii's power.

N64/Gamecube may have had power but they both struggled to get serious 3rd party support and Nintendo came out second or last.

So as a Nintendo fan I have to admit the Wii got Nintendo the top spot in hardware sales again and some decent support (at least better support than "The Dream Team"). Still Wii HD could have been a monster had it had the same HD games ported to it like the other guys.

I think most of us are afraid that WiiU is WiiHD but a generation behind X720/PS4
you just cannot forgive Nintendo for that as a fan but as a company they cannot fail going that direction because it will not mean billions in the red.

Honestly I am hoping WiiU is closer to next gen power than this gen, I cannot wait for HD Nintendo titles.
 
Fernando Rocker said:
But the only console that has been underpowered compared to the competition is the Wii. Both he Gamecube and N64 were more or equally powerful as the PS1/PS2.
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Thinking about it, I think the interesting thing about the N64/PS1/Saturn generation is that the Saturn used CDs but was poor at polygonal rendering, and the N64 was a great polygonal renderer but was limited by cartridges. The success of the PS1 - in hardware terms - seems to be largely being *adequate* at the two traits of hardware design which ultimately turned out to matter, while its two rivals were great at one and rubbish at the other.

It'd be a very interestingly different world if the mass games market hadn't taken to polygons or had found the load times of CDs objectionable.
 
Dreamwriter said:
Rogue Leader didn't push the hardware to its limits - if it did, how could they have later released a sequel with much better graphics, including redoing all of Rogue Leader's levels with improved graphics and effects?
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The same way Gears of War pushed the 360 too it's limits, but Gears 3 looks much better. They didn't leave any power unused, but then later learned to do things more efficiently.
 
Nintendo History is full of examples of winning with lower tech

"Woah, Color..."


I was a proud owner of the original gameboy

as I am a 3DS that needed two sliders but got only one
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I am just hoping the WiiU has everything it needs to stay competitive, that it is not missing some feature on the chip that others have that locks it out of next gen titles. Day 1 for me no matter what
 
^ I was wondering that myself. Antonz has been gone for about a week or so now and Nintex a few days ago.

BurntPork said:
I am not.

Unless it's just undiagnosed.
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Haha. I don't think yours could be identified medically.

Luckyman said:
I give it 10% that there is a new MS console next year. Pachter is more right then wrong.
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I'm currently at 25%.
 
that other thread has my thinking about my launch game purchases :|

I dunno if I want to play Pikmin 3 that bad... (having not seen it to be hyped)
I don't like NSMB Mii

there better be something I really really want on launch day sheesh
 
Damn... someone put Burntpork on suicide watch. Cheer up man. We're talkin' video games afterall. Not cancer or how we will all be dead soon.
 
BurntPork said:
I'm more right than wrong, but people still don't listen to me. :(
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It's okay man, we listen, it's just your inane, pessimistic ramblings are difficult to digest sometimes.

Jokes aside, it's good to have people discussing the console from all view points and perspectives - it helps us reach a more realistic assumption of the systems final design.

I love you BP, in a strange, twisted and incomprehensible way.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
that other thread has my thinking about my launch game purchases :|

I dunno if I want to play Pikmin 3 that bad... (having not seen it to be hyped)
I don't like NSMB Mii

there better be something I really really want on launch day sheesh
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Killer Freaks?

But seriously, even if Retro doesn't have something, one of the EADs will have something cool at/around launch.
 
StreetsAhead said:
Killer Freaks?

But seriously, even if Retro doesn't have something, one of the EADs will have something cool at/around launch.
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People need to remember that, especially with EA's support, there'll be a ton of games to choose from at launch time.
We may even see Wii's 30+ being met.
I know people are dropping out and complaining because of the lack of games so far, but come E3, Nintendo will show the final games reel, hopefully revealing a ton of games we haven't seen prior to the event.
I'm thinking something along the lines of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0aXYQkyFXk

Just realised my comment is on that video... sheesh, that's embarrassing... um, just ignore that, okay?

Oh, and this one too - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RUKkWRK9gU

Notice the first is more third party related, the second focusing on Ninty's software?
 
StreetsAhead said:
Killer Freaks?

But seriously, even if Retro doesn't have something, one of the EADs will have something cool at/around launch.
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Killer Freaks should be looking very nice by now, it is interesting but still not the type of game I buy Nintendo consoles for. Anything Nintendo has been sticking Miis into has been turning me off. So now I am doubting my launch pick for a Nintendo Console. I guess we really have not seen anything WiiU :(

I want a new RPG from the guys who created Xenoblade (I want Xenoblade HD) and I want it in the US NOA!
 
BurntPork said:
I mean that Team Ninja sounds as if they're talking about current-gen hardware with known limits, rather than next-gen hardware with new possibilities.

And they said "as hard as it can," which sounds like "as hard as it can be pushed." And that sounds like "limit" to me.
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Don't worry. Team Ninja has said this about every game they've released on every platform they've worked with.
I remember Itagaki explained it in an interview once, he said that they're _always_ pushing the hardware they work on as hard as they can with the knowledge they have about the hardware at that moment. It's agood thing. Developers that says that they're only using 33% of the power in the box should stop talking and work harder, especially if they're still releasing games that runs lower than 60fps or lower than full resolution.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
Killer Freaks should be looking very nice by now, it is interesting but still not the type of game I buy Nintendo consoles for. Anything Nintendo has been sticking Miis into has been turning me off. So now I am doubting my launch pick for a Nintendo Console. I guess we really have not seen anything WiiU :(

I want a new RPG from the guys who created Xenoblade (I want Xenoblade HD) and I want it in the US NOA!
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Monolith Soft are confirmed to be working on a Wii U game.

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/06/24/xenoblade-developer-monolith-soft-working-on-wii-u-title/

http://andriasang.com/comwyh/

US is not confirmed, but it will be coming to PAL regions. :P
 
BurntPork said:
Because I want there to be tight competition between all three, which will result in all three trying to push themselves and each other.

And sorry. I can't help being pessimistic about stuff.
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If by pessimistic you mean 'My cognitive center translates every bit of WiiU news into announcements of the Apocalypse', then, yes, you are.
 
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