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Anything less than over 9000 and Nintendo is doomed.......



























.....DOOOOOOOOOMED

 

[TheExplodingHead]

So here's more random circular speculative talk:

what kind of max graphical output would you guys be satisfied with? I'm not talking about what specs, I mean what kind of output when the system is firing on all cylinders would make you happy?

For example, if the best looking wii U game looked equivalent to the witcher 2 on high settings locked at 30fps, would you be happy? Or do you expect games to appear on the wii U that surpass the best looking PC games we have today?

I would be happy with Witcher 2 high at 30fps, would prefer 60fps though. Mainly what I'm expecting after a couple years when dev's sink their teeth into the hw is something like Crysis PC/Metro with certain mods at 1080p 30fps. I think that's a pretty realistic all cylinders expectation. I really can't wait to see what Nintendo and Retro might do with hw like that, artistically and gameplay wise.

 

[AzaK]

So here's more random circular speculative talk:

what kind of max graphical output would you guys be satisfied with? I'm not talking about what specs, I mean what kind of output when the system is firing on all cylinders would make you happy?

For example, if the best looking wii U game looked equivalent to the witcher 2 on high settings locked at 30fps, would you be happy? Or do you expect games to appear on the wii U that surpass the best looking PC games we have today?

Having left PC gaming behind years ago I had to go take a look at Witcher 2 screens and I have to say yes, I'd be very happy with that level of graphic fidelity. Is Witcher 2 considered top of the line PC because if so I imaging we won't get that this time round from Nintendo. It also needs to be able to render the tablet image too with will suck resources from the mainscreen. I'd be happy with lesser quality for secondary view cams on the tablet too.

I really can't wait to see what Nintendo and Retro might do with hw like that, artistically and gameplay wise.

Same here. Metroid in HD with modern tech would be phenomenal.

 

[guek]

Having left PC gaming behind years ago I had to go take a look at Witcher 2 screens and I have to say yes, I'd be very happy with that level of graphic fidelity. Is Witcher 2 considered top of the line PC because if so I imaging we won't get that this time round from Nintendo. It also needs to be able to render the tablet image too with will suck resources from the mainscreen.

yeah witcher 2 is pretty high up there at the moment iirc

it's recommended specs are:

Processor: Intel Quad Core or AMD equivalent
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce 260, 1 GB memory / Radeon HD 4850 with 1 GB memory
Memory: 3 GB for Windows XP / 4 GB for Windows Vista and Windows 7

I don't think that's for "high" settings though, it's just the recommended spec sheet. I think it's reasonable to expect wii U to pull something like that off in a closed environment. Now whether it'd have enough juice to render at high with a solid framerate is another matter.

 

[StreetsAhead]

It also needs to be able to render the tablet image too with will suck resources from the mainscreen. I'd be happy with lesser quality for secondary view cams on the tablet too.

That will depend, obviously, on what is being rendered on the screen. A 2D UI shouldn't tax the system too much, but as seen in the bird demo rendering two perspectives of the same scene may cause some slight slowdown.

Same here. Metroid in HD with modern tech would be phenomenal.

Don't get too excited for Retro doing Metroid. It may not happen. They may very well be doing something else.

Although I expect that Metroid (along with Star Fox, F-Zero, Waverace, and Smash Brothers) will be one of the biggest benefactors of the dramatic increase in power between Wii and Wii U.

 

[AzaK]

yeah witcher 2 is pretty high up there at the moment iirc

it's recommended specs are:

Processor: Intel Quad Core or AMD equivalent
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce 260, 1 GB memory / Radeon HD 4850 with 1 GB memory
Memory: 3 GB for Windows XP / 4 GB for Windows Vista and Windows 7

I don't think that's for "high" settings though, it's just the recommended spec sheet. I think it's reasonable to expect wii U to pull something like that off in a closed environment. Now whether it'd have enough juice to render at high with a solid framerate is another matter.

Well anything close to that then will make me super happy.

 

[AzaK]

That will depend, obviously, on what is being rendered on the screen. A 2D UI shouldn't tax the system too much, but as seen in the bird demo rendering two perspectives of the same scene may cause some slight slowdown.

Absolutely. I'd expect 2d tablet views to have little effect and it's understandable that we'd have to put up with slow down or fidelity drop for dual view.

Don't get too excited for Retro doing Metroid. It may not happen. They may very well be doing something else.

Although I expect that Metroid (along with Star Fox, F-Zero, Waverace, and Smash Brothers) will be one of the biggest benefactors of the dramatic increase in power between Wii and Wii U.

Hey I will be as excited as I want! It's gotta happen at some point!

 

[SkyMasterson]

I just hope that if they stay the course with the Wii-U (and not some re-hauled one), that they release it no later than the summer.

They can't afford to wait until after E3, especially if MS does announce there next Xbox.

 

[StreetsAhead]

StarTropics reboot.

3rd person shooter to appeal to 'core' Western gamers.

 

[AceBandage]

StarTropics reboot.

3rd person shooter to appeal to 'core' Western gamers.

Ewww, no.
Make it like a cross between Uncharted and Xenoblade.

 

[Azure J]

StarTropics reboot.

3rd person shooter to appeal to 'core' Western gamers.

I will fucking cut you.

 

[Dr.Palutena]

So here's more random circular speculative talk:

what kind of max graphical output would you guys be satisfied with? I'm not talking about what specs, I mean what kind of output when the system is firing on all cylinders would make you happy?

For example, if the best looking wii U game looked equivalent to the witcher 2 on high settings locked at 30fps, would you be happy? Or do you expect games to appear on the wii U that surpass the best looking PC games we have today?

You know, I'm actually already pretty content with the Output level they showed with the tech demos at E3. The only thing that I really would want to know and speculate about is stuff like online, how they will use the U-Pad controller in "non-directly related to the game" ways (as in, can I chat or surf the internet while i'm playing a game using it), will they be bringing GCN to VC, can I play VC games using the Pad only? That kind of stuff . Also what games they will have at launch/in the launch window.

 

[bgassassin]

I like that idea Ace.

Oh, I forgot about that. It's kinda awesome.

...I just wanna see some real non-alpha footage (Not that Killer Freaks didn't look good for pre-alpha)

I know people dogged it, but I thought KF looked good with all things considered. Speaking of KF, this was also said a month ago.

Depends what you mean by "The next Halo". In terms of production values, this is pretty big. Let's take some weight classes up on Red Steel 2. Somehow, possibly somewhere thereabouts of the ballpark of, in no special order, Halo, Half Life, Duke Nukem, Dead Space, and Crysis.

I just hope that if they stay the course with the Wii-U (and not some re-hauled one), that they release it no later than the summer.

They can't afford to wait until after E3, especially if MS does announce there next Xbox.

I definitely don't think they can or should let the release date get past September.

I thought this was a funny, but neat video.

http://www.break.com/game-trailers/game/metal-slug-xx/augmented-reality-metal-slug-for-wii-u

Makes me wonder if they'll add cameras to the back of the Upad, or if they always planned to add them and didn't want to reveal it too soon.

 

[Gravijah]

StarTropics reboot.

3rd person shooter to appeal to 'core' Western gamers.

nobody even wants a new startropics

 

[guek]

I know people dogged it, but I thought KF looked good with all things considered. Speaking of KF, this was also said a month ago.

I think the concept looked very promising, but it was way too early in development to show. They should have just explained the concept with art and maybe target renders.

nobody even wants a new startropics

you shut your mouth

 

[TunaLover]

I do not want a new StarTropics
I DO NOT!

 

[Omegasquash]

But guys, guys...1:1 yo-yo control.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

nobody even wants a new startropics

I will break you.

 

[mclem]

So here's more random circular speculative talk:

what kind of max graphical output would you guys be satisfied with? I'm not talking about what specs, I mean what kind of output when the system is firing on all cylinders would make you happy?

For example, if the best looking wii U game looked equivalent to the witcher 2 on high settings locked at 30fps, would you be happy? Or do you expect games to appear on the wii U that surpass the best looking PC games we have today?

One thing I'm really not sure about - which while it's not an issue with the Wii U, really, is a big question hanging over the 720 and PS4 - is just how much power is *useful*. As it stands budgets are way too large, and quite a lot of people are suggesting that the way forwards is to reduce development budgets and minimise the impact of the blockbuster model - which is a fair statement. But if that happens - just how many games would be able to make *use* of significant quantities of power beyond that of the PS3?

The Wii U catching up enough to surpass the PS3 such that games made for PS3 which are forced into sub-HD and/or sub-60fps would run at full HD, 60fps on the Wii U would be sufficient for me. And I have no idea, from there, just where the 720 and PS4 could go - because what's the point of supplying power that developers can't afford to tap?

 

[Übermatik]

Retro, give me Prime/F-Zero, and I'll be over the moon. Starfox, not so much. No Startropics.

Also, going away for a week, without internet. Send me any info telepathically if it comes up. Cheers.

 

[Gravijah]

Retro, give me Prime/F-Zero, and I'll be over the moon. Starfox, not so much. No Startropics.

Also, going away for a week, without internet. Send me any info telepathically if it comes up. Cheers.

i don't want a retro f-zero.

 

[Veal]

Are PS3 and 360 capable of that?

Yes. Take a look at Sonic Generations or Unleashed. Just gorgeous.

 

[Übermatik]

i don't want a retro f-zero.

You don't know what you want!

 

[Dr.Palutena]

Retro better be working on either "DKC Returns Again", Starfox or a new ip....or a Dreadful 2d metroid.

 

[BuggyDClown]

Retro better be working on either "DKC Returns Again", Starfox or a new ip....or a Dreadful 2d metroid.

DKC please.

Then again I keep forgetting about the stupid WiiU controller. Everytime I see or remember what it is I dont think Im going to buy this. My first ever Nintendo system I wont be getting day one and may not ever buy.

 

[daakusedo]

I'm hoping some new wave of info after zelda, mario 3d land and kart are out.
Answer me nintendo!

And what with retro and starfox?
Someone just drop the thing and now it's on everyone mind like kid icarus for wii?

 

[bgassassin]

i don't want a retro f-zero.

How about a modern f-zero?

 

[blu]

I think retro should return to the metroid prime venue, but they should be given absolute artistic freedom like what they had with echoes. Such a game would change the universe as we know it.

 

[Übermatik]

I think retro should return to the metroid prime venue, but they should be given absolute artistic freedom like what they had with echoes. Such a game would change the universe as we know it.

This. I keep pondering over the quote that says they're working on "something everyone wants them to do"... it HAS to be 'Prime, right?

RIGHT!?

Dem graphics, dat Upad visor...

 

[Gravijah]

retro should do something other than metroid prime, dkcr and f-zero

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

retro should do something other than metroid prime, dkcr and f-zero

Let Retro make a Pokemon RPG on the consoles

Spoiler

lol

 

[blu]

This. I keep pondering over the quote that says they're working on "something everyone wants them to do"... it HAS to be 'Prime, right?

RIGHT!?

Dem graphics, dat Upad visor...

Dem alien worlds...

 

[Übermatik]

retro should do something other than metroid prime, dkcr and f-zero

Bu-but! But, METROID.

Spoiler

I kinda agree. Having them create a new IP with ultimate freedom would be so sweet. My mind melts at the possibilities...

 

[Daschysta]

Let them please do something different. No Metroid, no Star Fox, no F-Zero. If you want to give them absolute artistic freedom, let them work on something new and different - I hope they give these guys a chance to come up with a new I.P.

Ravenblade says hi, and bye.

Metroid pl0x

 

[Übermatik]

http://www.operationsports.com/shadthedad/blog/15178-new-wii-u-ip-game/

Was a good laugh.

Now I'm REALLY going. Fo' real.

 

[StevieP]

DKC please.

Then again I keep forgetting about the stupid WiiU controller. Everytime I see or remember what it is I dont think Im going to buy this. My first ever Nintendo system I wont be getting day one and may not ever buy.

What? Why? It's a dual-analog pad with a screen.

Unless you're like me and are lamenting the loss of the IR pointer and the regression represented by the upad.

My interest dropped below 0 for some reason. Probably because every day I walk past my Wii that hasn't been used for more than a couple of hours in total. Nintendo really needs to work some magic in their next attempt to reveal wii u.

2 hours? Wow, you must be the most poorly researched poster on this entire forum. To have a bought something with the game collection of the Wii and only have used it for 2 hours? You must've known you don't like platformers, sports games, party games,

Spoiler

FPS/TPS games that don't play like shit on dual-analog

and adventure games before you made that purchase?

 

[walking fiend]

http://www.operationsports.com/shadthedad/blog/15178-new-wii-u-ip-game/

Was a good laugh.

Now I'm REALLY going. Fo' real.

I read the first line, didn't get a clue, read the last line, didn't get a clue, read the last line of the second paragraph:

A Mario Universe first person shooter!

That's the only thing you need from that article, imho.

retro should do something other than metroid prime, dkcr and f-zero

F-Zero is the best arcade racer ever, I mean, EVER!

 

[BuggyDClown]

What? Why? It's a dual-analog pad with a screen.

Unless you're like me and are lamenting the loss of the IR pointer and the regression represented by the upad.



2 hours? Wow, you must be the most poorly researched poster on this entire forum. To have a bought something with the game collection of the Wii and only have used it for 2 hours? You must've known you don't like platformers, sports games, party games,

Spoiler

FPS/TPS games that don't play like shit on dual-analog

and adventure games before you made that purchase?

Well a number of reasons really.

I dont mind too much the idea of the standard controller still being the pointer and nunchuk. I say standard because so far the tablet controller is one per system, which is BS.

I also think its a HUGE gimmick. I dont think the wii was as much, it can be at times, but this controller is just pointless. Its also Huge and means there will be an inconsistant experiance due to the one possibly two per system rule. I'm also worried about lag and the controller looking not very erginomic. Not to mention its sliders not analog sticks.

Honestly Im way more excited by Kinect or a next gen version then what Nintendo has decided to do for their Next gen gaming console. Its like they are giving up on the Wii motion controls even though they are still going to be integral. Yet the main controlling device does not utilize them.

 

[AzaK]

http://www.operationsports.com/shadthedad/blog/15178-new-wii-u-ip-game/

Was a good laugh.

Now I'm REALLY going. Fo' real.

I stopped at "A Mario Universe first person shooter!" caught myself about to balk then thought, hmmmm, maybe. I know Nintendo wouldn't want Mario associated with death and gore but something humourous, and maybe 3rd person would be better. Imagine all those crazy Mario characters running around doing weird shit, fighting each other in a team based game.

Well a number of reasons really.

I dont mind too much the idea of the standard controller still being the pointer and nunchuk. I say standard because so far the tablet controller is one per system, which is BS.

So far it is one per system, but both Nintendo and others have stated that it's not out of the realm of possibility to have more - we'll have to wait an dsee. They won't pack them in and won't sell them at first, but maybe down the line, or of someone like EA really pushes hard enough (For Madden etc).

Additionally, most people play games solo; that's the biggest market for a home console. And if it's online capable for those AAA online games it won't need more than one in-the-room controller. One controller will be fine for most situations.

I also think its a HUGE gimmick. I dont think the wii was as much, it can be at times, but this controller is just pointless. Its also Huge and means there will be an inconsistant experiance due to the one possibly two per system rule. I'm also worried about lag and the controller looking not very erginomic. Not to mention its sliders not analog sticks.

I restate what I've said before - it has MASSIVE potential, WAY more than the WiiMote. You can actually play on the thing when the TV is in use - this alone is a system seller for me! You can draw on it, so guide teammates in online multiplayer not to mention all the drawing type games you can do or just casual art. Imagine if Nintendo had a "channel" or whatever where people could share their artwork and rate it etc. Being a touch screen it has potential for browsing the web/checking email so much better than sticks or a WiiMote. It has a camera for video chat, and a microphone for voice; built-in! Touchscreen opens up lots of possibilities for inventory and other uses or course, and it has gyros/magnetos/accelerometers from the get go so that functionality can be used for all games on the system.

Anyone who's tried it seems to say that it's pretty ergonomic and light and easy to hold.
Re the sliders, it's personal preference I guess and the general consensus seems to be that they are definitely more than serviceable and better than the 3DS ones.

Re lag, we just don't know, but I doubt Nintendo would be happy releasing a system that was inexcusably laggy.

Honestly Im way more excited by Kinect or a next gen version then what Nintendo has decided to do for their Next gen gaming console. Its like they are giving up on the Wii motion controls even though they are still going to be integral. Yet the main controlling device does not utilize them.

The main device does use motion controls, just not IR pointer. But I agree, the pointer was very under appreciated technology and I loved it for FPS titles, but I would imagine most serious developers would offer the option of using either/or/combo - I'm not worried about that at all. And if a game really uses the pad really well, I'd sacrifice pointer controls for that.

 

[Azure J]

I do not want a new StarTropics
I DO NOT!

nobody even wants a new startropics

Retro, give me Prime/F-Zero, and I'll be over the moon. Starfox, not so much. No Startropics.

I think retro should return to the metroid prime venue, but they should be given absolute artistic freedom like what they had with echoes. Such a game would change the universe as we know it.

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar.

 

[BuggyDClown]

I stopped at "A Mario Universe first person shooter!" caught myself about to balk then thought, hmmmm, maybe. I know Nintendo wouldn't want Mario associated with death and gore but something humourous, and maybe 3rd person would be better. Imagine all those crazy Mario characters running around doing weird shit, fighting each other in a team based game.


So far it is one per system, but both Nintendo and others have stated that it's not out of the realm of possibility to have more - we'll have to wait an dsee. They won't pack them in and won't sell them at first, but maybe down the line, or of someone like EA really pushes hard enough (For Madden etc).

Additionally, most people play games solo; that's the biggest market for a home console. And if it's online capable for those AAA online games it won't need more than one in-the-room controller. One controller will be fine for most situations.



I restate what I've said before - it has MASSIVE potential, WAY more than the WiiMote. You can actually play on the thing when the TV is in use - this alone is a system seller for me! You can draw on it, so guide teammates in online multiplayer not to mention all the drawing type games you can do or just casual art. Imagine if Nintendo had a "channel" or whatever where people could share their artwork and rate it etc. Being a touch screen it has potential for browsing the web/checking email so much better than sticks or a WiiMote. It has a camera for video chat, and a microphone for voice; built-in! Touchscreen opens up lots of possibilities for inventory and other uses or course, and it has gyros/magnetos/accelerometers from the get go so that functionality can be used for all games on the system.

Anyone who's tried it seems to say that it's pretty ergonomic and light and easy to hold.
Re the sliders, it's personal preference I guess and the general consensus seems to be that they are definitely more than serviceable and better than the 3DS ones.

Re lag, we just don't know, but I doubt Nintendo would be happy releasing a system that was inexcusably laggy.


The main device does use motion controls, just not IR pointer. But I agree, the pointer was very under appreciated technology and I loved it for FPS titles, but I would imagine most serious developers would offer the option of using either/or/combo - I'm not worried about that at all. And if a game really uses the pad really well, I'd sacrifice pointer controls for that.

Right. Rationalising a dumb Nntendo move. Sound like me Many other times.

Since when do most people play single player. Since when is "you can play withe the tv off" important with a home console. Get another TV or dont be so addicted. Id rather play games on a larger higher res screen like my iPad than a WiiU controller, hell Id rather wait to play later. I dont buy a home console because I want it in my hands I want it on a 40 inch TV.

Also screw single player I like many other play multiplayer, both online and off. Hell wasnt a big part of Wii getting people to play together. Also we dont know if you can have more than one controller at most it will be two. I also cant bank on the online experiance being awesome, sincethey havent gotten close with that. Hell they havent even matched the shitty PSN experiance yet.

Also all of those extra experiances are gimmicks. They wont. Match the experiances you can get on a notebook or tablet or smartphone, so why waste time and resources on the, who cares about web browsing and. Drawing on the WiiU controller. I think the entire concept is comepletely misguided. Hell i think the iPad 2 and iPhone 4s or iPod touch as well as subsequent releases will offer better gaming and socia/webl experiances via apple tv by the time WiiU is available.

 

[AceBandage]

Right. Rationalising a dumb Nntendo move. Sound like me Many other times.

Since when do most people play single player. Since when is "you can play withe the tv off" important with a home console. Get another TV or dont be so addicted. Id rather play games on a larger higher res screen like my iPad than a WiiU controller, hell Id rather wait to play later. I dont buy a home console because I want it in my hands I want it on a 40 inch TV.

Also screw single player I like many other play multiplayer, both online and off. Hell wasnt a big part of Wii getting people to play together. Also we dont know if you can have more than one controller at most it will be two. I also cant bank on the online experiance being awesome, sincethey havent gotten close with that. Hell they havent even matched the shitty PSN experiance yet.

Also all of those extra experiances are gimmicks. They wont. Match the experiances you can get on a notebook or tablet or smartphone, so why waste time and resources on the, who cares about web browsing and. Drawing on the WiiU controller. I think the entire concept is comepletely misguided. Hell i think the iPad 2 and iPhone 4s or iPod touch as well as subsequent releases will offer better gaming and socia/webl experiances via apple tv by the time WiiU is available.

Wow....
This post....
Just wow...

Screw single player?
Shitty PSN?
Thinking Apple will be able to match Nintendo's outputs in software?

I just...
I...
Wow.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

Since when do most people play single player

Count me as one of those people. I try to avoid multiplayer games, as I prefer single player experiences.

 

[dacuk]

Count me as one of those people. I try to avoid multiplayer games, as I prefer single player experiences.

Me too. I prefer single player games, then local co-op games. I do not really care about online gaming (making me a dinosaur in GAF-eyes)

 

[guek]

Hell i think the iPad 2 and iPhone 4s or iPod touch as well as subsequent releases will offer better gaming and socia/webl experiances via apple tv by the time WiiU is available.

While the rest of your post can be chalked up to understandably just not liking the wii u concept, this here is pretty dumb. If you really like mobile gaming that much, and there's nothing wrong if you do, maybe you should just stop playing console games altogether.

Also, the iphone 4s is for fuckin chumps. It's yet another example of apple abusing its power over their rabid fanbase to milk them dry with a joke of a phone.

 

[BurntPork]

Oh goddammit.

 

[AzaK]

Right. Rationalising a dumb Nntendo move. Sound like me Many other times.

I'm rationalising because I think it's a brilliant move and I'm actually really looking forward to it. I'm not trying to think up arguments in support of something I hate.

Since when do most people play single player. Since when is "you can play withe the tv off" important with a home console. Get another TV or dont be so addicted.

Since the iPad came out and a lot of people realised they could game without the TV on a screen bigger than a phone or handheld. Since people lived with others and had to share a TV. Since the economy was such that people couldn't afford multiple TV's. Since people wanted a quick gaming fix without turning on the TV and getting setup for a session.

I do realise that that it's mainly about TV gaming, that's what we all want it for, but to write it off as useless is a bit short sighted.

Id rather play games on a larger higher res screen like my iPad than a WiiU controller, hell Id rather wait to play later. I dont buy a home console because I want it in my hands I want it on a 40 inch TV.

Umm, and you CAN play it on a 40inch TV, you can ALSO play it on a small screen if you need to. I guarantee I'll probably be gaming like that reasonably regularly to be honest.

Also screw single player I like many other play multiplayer, both online and off. Hell wasnt a big part of Wii getting people to play together. Also we dont know if you can have more than one controller at most it will be two.

Well online mutliplayer makes the whole one-controller argument moot. Sure 4 pad controller support would be great for the few games that would use it and the odd times people can get 4 others together, but I do think it's a minority of owners that will do this. Even then, they will have all the asymmetric gameplay options like Chase Mii and Battle Mii for party experiences etc.

Also remember, just because they aren't selling more controllers doesn't mean it won't support more and your friends can bring others around. We just don't know yet.

I also cant bank on the online experiance being awesome, sincethey havent gotten close with that. Hell they havent even matched the shitty PSN experiance yet.

No you're right, you can't bank on it. In fact with the Wii U we can't bank on ANYTHING at the moment other than it will be HD and have a pad as a controller. However, everything Nintendo and 3rd parties have been saying suggests it will be better than the Wii system (Which was crap, yes). Just wait and see.

Also all of those extra experiances are gimmicks. They wont. Match the experiances you can get on a notebook or tablet or smartphone, so why waste time and resources on the, who cares about web browsing and. Drawing on the WiiU controller. I think the entire concept is comepletely misguided. Hell i think the iPad 2 and iPhone 4s or iPod touch as well as subsequent releases will offer better gaming and socia/webl experiances via apple tv by the time WiiU is available.

Well, no offence I just think you're not thinking big enough. Now Nintendo might not capitalise on the pad's potential, but it does have potential. Essentially they are giving you both a core gaming experience and tablet experience.

Look we don't know if Nintendo are wasting/spending time and resources on making browsers/paint programs etc (Although their sizzle real suggested it) but if they can make those experience good enough, and say integrate them with a good social/community system for gaming, sharing sketches (for example), voice chatting, achievements and all that stuff, how can you call that a gimmick? Remember, some of these features will be aimed at more casual gamers. And I'll repeat myself yet again - we just don't know anything yet, wait and see.

The iPad2 can't offer Nintendo properties so again another moot point for gamers who want those Nintendo titles. And I'd bet my left nut that it's nowhere near the power of the Wii U. Also, the Apple TV has no stick/button controller and there's nothing to suggest that there's going to be one soon or ever, which means it's not going to be ideal for "traditional" gaming.

 

[60_gig_PS3]

I feel like the WiiU controller sort of gets in the way.

I mean how do you work it into a game like Skyward sword

Are they gonna take step backwards and only use the control pad for the next Zelda?
Because the Zelda E3 demo used the WiiU controller as a map/hud

Seems like Too many controllers.

 

[mclem]

Since when do most people play single player.

Since Space Invaders?

 

[snesfreak]

Right. Rationalising a dumb Nntendo move. Sound like me Many other times.

Since when do most people play single player. Since when is "you can play withe the tv off" important with a home console. Get another TV or dont be so addicted. Id rather play games on a larger higher res screen like my iPad than a WiiU controller, hell Id rather wait to play later. I dont buy a home console because I want it in my hands I want it on a 40 inch TV.

Also screw single player I like many other play multiplayer, both online and off. Hell wasnt a big part of Wii getting people to play together. Also we dont know if you can have more than one controller at most it will be two. I also cant bank on the online experiance being awesome, sincethey havent gotten close with that. Hell they havent even matched the shitty PSN experiance yet.

Also all of those extra experiances are gimmicks. They wont. Match the experiances you can get on a notebook or tablet or smartphone, so why waste time and resources on the, who cares about web browsing and. Drawing on the WiiU controller. I think the entire concept is comepletely misguided. Hell i think the iPad 2 and iPhone 4s or iPod touch as well as subsequent releases will offer better gaming and socia/webl experiances via apple tv by the time WiiU is available.

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Holy. Shit.
I...I don't even.
How is this even possible?
Wow, just wow.