Does the Steam Deck come with a dock packed in, or do you have to purchase it separately? Does it come with a fully functioning controller for TV play? That's the thing about that product is that I would imagine nearly everyone buying it is playing it as a handheld only. It's not packaged for hybrid use and not marketed as such.
It is a Hybrid Handheld from my perspective. I still wouldn't call it an exclusive console. It's meant for mobility the way it is designed down to the controllers, the thing has a screen on it.
Why keep the OG? On TV blurry/bad IQ play?
With a price drop
Well, the x factor here is that once the supply of PS5 and Series X starts to arrive, the Switch sales will likely take a serious hit.A ‘tiny chance’?
Even if a Switch 2 comes out, games will likely be fully BC. Mario Kart 9, Odyssey 2, BoTW 2, the next four to five years of Pokémon are all going to be available on Switch.
I think it will still be chugging along in 2026.
Funnily enough, what I *do* think will be slower in sales is the Switch 2, for the same reasons.
Ftfy.One is a "table" console and the other is really a handheld console that can be connect to TVs/monitors and became a "table" console.
Don't think so. If Sony can get the PS5 supply under control, it's going to eat into the Switch sales for sure. But who knows.
Well, the x factor here is that once the supply of PS5 and Series X starts to arrive, the Switch sales will likely take a serious hit.
Why do you think this? The Switch has been competing with more powerful consoles for its entire lifespan and that hasn't had any impact on its sales. Plus, I have to imagine that the vast majority of prospective PS5/XS buyers who have any desire to own a Switch already do, given how long it has been on the market. I guess there are probably some parents who bought their kids a Switch last Christmas because they couldn't find a PS5 or XSX, so maybe the Switch's holiday sales take a hit this year (assuming greater PS5/XSX stock, which isn't guaranteed), but I just don't see that as having a massive sales impact.
The two big potential obstacles for the Switch are its successor and market saturation and we have very little information about either right now.
I have 2 as well an oled and a OG one that I got homebrew on.Why keep the OG? On TV blurry/bad IQ play?
This is the videogame equivalent of Flat Earth Theory...all the evidence is there but damn the evidence! My feelings, my logic and my perspective are all that matters.
It is a Hybrid Handheld from my perspective. I still wouldn't call it an exclusive console. It's meant for mobility the way it is designed down to the controllers, the thing has a screen on it.
This is the videogame equivalent of Flat Earth Theory...all the evidence is there but damn the evidence! My feelings, my logic and my perspective are all that matters.
Not about the shape of the earth and not about a machine designed to play video games on your TV.Lol, so defensive about your box. Relax dude. Stop foaming at the mouth for a second and think about different perspectives. We can agree to disagree.
Because the demand for the PS5 is so huge, once it gets satiated the console market will change. Market forces will change. What people look at when it comes to games will change. I don't think the Switch will lose massive sales, but enough to make over 155 million sold hard, especially with the saturation.Why do you think this? The Switch has been competing with more powerful consoles for its entire lifespan and that hasn't had any impact on its sales. Plus, I have to imagine that the vast majority of prospective PS5/XS buyers who have any desire to own a Switch already do, given how long it has been on the market. I guess there are probably some parents who bought their kids a Switch last Christmas because they couldn't find a PS5 or XSX, so maybe the Switch's holiday sales take a hit this year (assuming greater PS5/XSX stock, which isn't guaranteed), but I just don't see that as having a massive sales impact.
The two big potential obstacles for the Switch are its successor and market saturation and we have very little information about either right now.
I mostly agree with this perspective. We usually reach a point where Nintendo's support for a platform begins to dry up in advance of their next wave of "launch support" games. Although I feel like Nintendo kind of jumped the shark with the strong COVID year sales and the new Animal Crossing exploding in popularity and really really reaching mass appeal (a true COVID phenomenon), this has enabled Nintendo to adjust their schedule back some and keep the fire hose going a bit longer.The Switch has already started it's decline. Once that happens, Nintendo consoles usually drop pretty quickly. I don't think Switch will drop as fast as say the Wii, but it's still going to make it tough to sell 47M-48M more consoles. I also doubt Nintendo is going to drop the price outside of a few random deals and for the holidays.
I just don’t see it making a difference.Well, the x factor here is that once the supply of PS5 and Series X starts to arrive, the Switch sales will likely take a serious hit.
A person bases their purchase decisions on what they see around them, with more PS5, more people gonna see it at their friend's house etc... and what people want in gaming changes.I just don’t see it making a difference.
I think Nintendo’s cosmic success is down to the fact that they’re not really in competition with anyone. People buy a PS *or* an Xbox. But they will buy a Switch to compliment it. Mainly to get hold of Mario and Zelda.
Likewise a PC. Doesn’t matter if you’re rocking a 3080ti, you’re still going to pick up a Switch.
They’ve created their own market and people leave them to it.
Even Nintendo said more people use the Switch exclusively as a handheld than docked in one of their reports. The biggest sellers are mostly games you'd see iterations of on the 3DS, and the casuals aren't really thinki of the Switch as competition for Xbox or PS5, they are still treating it like it's in a different market like the DS and 3DS.This is the videogame equivalent of Flat Earth Theory...all the evidence is there but damn the evidence! My feelings, my logic and my perspective are all that matters.
Even Nintendo said more people use the Switch exclusively as a handheld than docked in one of their reports.
The biggest sellers are mostly games you'd see iterations of on the 3DS,
As much as fans want to argue it's a console the market doesn't really agree and Nintendo itself wasn't consistent on this at launch. They clearly said the Switch was not replacing the Wii U at first and it was replacing the 3DS.
I assume this is the slide you're talking about:
It only really supports your argument
Huh? Are you just talking about Pokemon here? Because all of the other top-selling games are either from series with a long history of appearing on both handhelds and consoles (Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, NSMB, Luigi's Mansion) or from series that have mostly been exclusive to consoles (3D Zelda, 3D Mario*, Splatoon). Of course, this makes perfect sense, since the Switch is both a handheld and a console and Nintendo's development studios and consumers are treating it as such.
I have no idea what statement you're referring to, but Nintendo stopped releasing software for the Wii U almost immediately
and not *just* a handheld or console.
Actually it fully supports that part of my post by default. I only said what the Slide actually said itself as shown.
You seem to be conveniently omitting games.
I didn't say anything about software.
Now you're being misleading about what the argument was, no one said it was just a handheld, but that is is a handheld system that can be played on a TV like a console. Just a handheld is the Switch Lite.
Nobody called the PSPGO a console because it can be hooked up to a TV, and I think there are other portables that could do that too.
You posted the chart, everything else is a delusion you are creating in your head trying to associate what I said with something else.Only if, as I said upfront, you're playing rhetorical games
The Wii U console isn't software it's hardware, somehow you aren't getting this.OK, then please supply the quote you mentioned, because it's not at all reflective of how Nintendo behaved once the Switch launched.
This is saying nothing, it's not an argument.The Switch is explicitly sold, marketed, and *used* as both a handheld and a console. Its software library reflects this. Its design reflects this. Everything reflects this.
The Wii U console isn't software it's hardware, somehow you aren't getting this.
It's abundantly clear you have poor reading comprehension.You explicitly mentioned a statement by Nintendo that the Switch was replacing the 3DS and not the Wii U. I'd like you to produce that statement.
It's abundantly clear that you're arguing in bad faith,
As much as fans want to argue it's a console the market doesn't really agree and Nintendo itself wasn't consistent on this at launch. They clearly said the Switch was not replacing the Wii U at first and it was replacing the 3DS.
Damn, this weird argument you can only have in English lol, it's a gaming device, as is PS2You posted the chart, everything else is a delusion you are creating in your head trying to associate what I said with something else.
The Wii U console isn't software it's hardware, somehow you aren't getting this.
This is saying nothing, it's not an argument.
Switch is a Handheld that can hook up to a TV, it's success is based on the Nintendo's handheld dominance primarily along with no competition in that space. You tried to change what was argued by saying it's not "just" a handheld which no one was arguing, as the Switch Lite is just a handheld. now you are moving backwards and making generic statements. No one said that it wasn't advertised as a console and (primarily) as a handheld.
Anything with a rechargeable battery suffers from a limited lifespan. At least the switch's battery can be changed.Funny that the battery life came up. I was hearing on the news on my way to work yesterday that the battery of the switch is to be dead within the next 3 years? It was one of those random tech segments on the show, so I found that interesting.
Ok flat earther. Whatever helps you sleep at night.Even Nintendo said more people use the Switch exclusively as a handheld than docked in one of their reports. The biggest sellers are mostly games you'd see iterations of on the 3DS, and the casuals aren't really thinki of the Switch as competition for Xbox or PS5, they are still treating it like it's in a different market like the DS and 3DS.
As much as fans want to argue it's a console the market doesn't really agree and Nintendo itself wasn't consistent on this at launch. They clearly said the Switch was not replacing the Wii U at first and it was replacing the 3DS.
I have 4.No. I know people that had 3 PS2. Who has 3 Switches?
Dude...Good luck arguing with ideologues. Arguing in bad faith and making data fit their narrative is their raison d'etre.You explicitly mentioned a statement by Nintendo that the Switch was replacing the 3DS and not the Wii U. I'd like you to produce that statement.
It's abundantly clear that you're arguing in bad faith, aggressively misinterpreting what I'm saying, and probably just flat out making shit up, so I'm not going to engage further. I'll leave it up to whoever reads these exchanges to decide who they think is bullshitting here.
Explain why a console is not defined as " a machine that plays videogames on your TV."It's abundantly clear you have poor reading comprehension.
Your own quotes has the word "replace" what do you think they were replacing the 3D with? Switch software and not the console itself?
Man you're dense. It was about hardware from the start but for some reason you went multiple posts imagining that Nintendo was going to replace their old console with software from a console not released yet? Did you even bother paying attention to what you read?
Here's the quote it's pretty freaking clear
Don't see how you got "software" out of this. You may need to get some reading lessons from elemnetary.
However I will say I was slightly mistaken, the original quote was that the witch would not replace EITHER Wii U or 3DS,a nd it would be some third thing. But of course they ended up completely replacing the Wii U, and Nintendo changed t later to only "not replacing" 3DS.
But anyway you're whole rant was bullshit, all you had to do as read what you were quoting wow. Nothing is made up either, you're just ignorant.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/51874/nintendo-nx-replace-wii-3ds-ceo/index.html
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/242777-nintendo-says-switch-wont-replace-3ds
Cool that you have 8 hands to play all 4 at the same time. Or 3 already died?I have 4.
Ok flat earther. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Explain why a console is not defined as " a machine that plays videogames on your TV."
Funny how he liked this post even though I just proved him wrong with links, but he's a coward so he ran. Not even an ounce of self-respect.Dude...Good luck arguing with ideologues. Arguing in bad faith and making data fit their narrative is their raison d'etre.
What I'm saying is I'm personally not a fan of marketing gimmicks, I like to see the plastic box as how exactly it is so "a handheld that come with a packed in HDMI/USB hub, with an innovative but terrible built quality and uncomfortable controller" is fine for me (Why? Because the device had the power and performance of of a handheld, I think most sane people will not set their expectation for it to have identical graphic and performance of a XBOX or Playstation, adding a Hub doesn't change that fact, its just like I wouldn't expect a Laptop of having the same performance as a Desktop even if the said Laptop brand marketed as a hybrid PC with a packed in Hub and M/K, It just sound silly).
I might trigger a lot of warriors, but that's just my opinion, agree to disagree. I personally don't have brand loyalty to any plastic box
And as for the topic, there are many possibilities, it already surpassed PS4 in a lesser amount of time, Switch sold 100 million in 5 year which PS4 had around 86 million in 5 year, if Nintendo decided they are confident with the Switch and giving it another 5 years lifespan, it could definitely surpass PS2, but I think when we were to compare sales here, lets not forget the amount of time is also a important statistic, like how long for it to reach a certain number should also factored in. Just like in my prior example, I would say Switch already surpassed PS4 in terms of sales despite the total sales number is still around 10 million behind (117 million for PS4),
So if 60% of people use it docked 90% of the time its still just a handheld right? It still can't be both home console and handheld even though that's its actual USP because that screen (rarely used) is still there forcing it to just be a handheld? ( I feel a schrodingers cat analogy coming)"a handheld that come with a packed in HDMI/USB hub, with an innovative but terrible built quality and uncomfortable controller"
Fair point. Revised definition to "a machine specialised to play videogames on your TV."Don't forget computers not PC's or desktops used to hook up to TV's too and those weren't called consoles either, because they weren't. But buy your definition they would be, and same for modern PC's with the right cables.
Do you have a link for the bolded? When the NX was announced it was called a "dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept". That's why official trackers tracked it alongside the PS4, Xbox One, 3DS and Vita. Because they are well dedicated video game platforms.NX was even presented as a handheld in the early stages before the true name was revealed, and it was a Pokemon staffer that first tried to shift the tone by saying it was both instead of a handheld that hooked up to a TV, and then suddenly Nintendo as a whole including Reggie started pushing the same talking point. It's clear they were seeing the comments about the Wii U and the expectations Nintendo was giving up on the home, and that is what happened no matter how you slice it, the Switch is doing better than the DS because it's powerful, has no competition in the handheld space, and doesn't have the burn out the 3DS has when it was revealed where people were thinking "DS again?"
All they did was just get back those who left for mobile after the DS days during the 3DS run, now they got those back, their console fans also use the device because there's no alternative, and they have nothing in the handheld space to compete with so it's just them and mobile. That's why the sales are so high, although it seems they are starting to fall behind the DS now. Maybe they need to release Nintendogs Switch or Brain Academy 3 or something to keep things going.