Saw one on the train yesterday. Looked pretty darn hot.
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Saw one on the train yesterday. Looked pretty darn hot.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
The vast majority of people who own an android device, including me, own a device with skinned android, so I won't see most of the announced ui changes anyway. It'll slowly filter through with apps, at best. It's the under the hood stuff that I care about.
Google is fucking scary.
I know it's highly irrational, but one of my key problems with getting an Android phone is buying into Google.
You think this tv and watch stuff will take off?
Microsoft isn't far behind, Microsoft just has a lot more legacy. Remember who first showed mobile-like apps on the laptop and the world reacted with horror?
Its not the apps. It the whole Ecosystem.
Phone notifications on PC/Tablet
Miracasting to an Xbox One
etc.
EDIT: Going for office....this one im not so worried about.
Steelyuhas
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Apple and Google in the last couple months have both shown impressive integration of their mobile and desktop OS.
These features are really cool and I want to see MS do this. Hell, they promised a synced messaging application to windows 8 about 2 years ago and it's never happened. :/
These features are really cool and I want to see MS do this. Hell, they promised a synced messaging application to windows 8 about 2 years ago and it's never happened. :/
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
That visual redesign doesn't look very drastic. In fact, it looks very similar to the HTC sense skin I'm using, which I like.
They showed answering calls on your PC with Longhorn.
Showing phone notifications on the PC isn't a super challenging problem. No one is far behind on that.
brotkasten
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I really don't understand how Apple and Google could beat Microsoft to that. Getting your phone notifications on your PC or Laptop and texting from your PC should've all happened with Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. And yet we just now got IE tab syncing between phone and PC (useless for me, because I don't even use IE on PC).
Really, I have no idea how some obvious things aren't there yet. They have everything they need. I'd love to talk with someone from MS about that, without getting it filtered through PR. Too bad we don't have any tech journalists and only bloggers.
Not just showing notification, answering calls, replying to text messages, alarms, sending navigation routes etc.
They did show continuing to answer calls across platforms some years ago on some unveiling through Skype. Was it the Xbox One? Sending text messages, alarms, navigation routes, isn't that difficult. The question is more why they are not focusing integrating the different platforms (we all know why, don't we), not that they're far behind.
I personally don't care about notifications between the two at all. Those are gimmicks. What really matters is getting some major players in the application and product space to care about Windows Phone. Such as Sonos, home automation systems, etc. Those are sticking points for people.
And of course they also have home automation, home surveillance, military robots, self-driving cars, satellites...
Who knows. It certainly won't take off because of consumer demand, but if Google can entice TV manufacturers to integrate their stuff, it can easily take off.
Edit: just look at Chromebooks. There are now 15 OEMs that make those.
Whether or not they do, the point is that Google's pushing out products before MS; establishing that mindshare early on. Once again MS is late to the party. Google is just iterating so much faster than both Apple and MS that it does seem like nobody will ever be able to catch up.
I'd say Microsoft was way too early to the party. They had smart watches like a decade ago and they also did some TV things and car things. They just made the mistake of getting the timing wrong and not being Google.
brotkasten
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I didn't know what you were talking about so I thought I would check his Twitter feed and Jesus. Google could have invented immortality and he would say "I'd eventually get bored."
To be fair, these current offerings will also be shitty.
I don't know guys. Metro is fine as it is. The more complicated and more flexible it gets (see Win8 and WP revisions), the less Metro it is. The fact it took them so many years to finally exceed Metro speaks for itself.
If you want Microsoft to come up with new design language that's another thing altogether.As we've all seen, a forward-looking design language doesn't really help you gain market share.
Its time. Look back at Wp7 and Metro. Yeaaaaars ago. Android has overhauled its UI twice since then if you count Android L they showed today. I don't think anyone would blame MS for doing a redesign of Windows Phone. Its long past time. I'm still of the opinion that the Metro tile design puts people off.
Look, Im living in a world where Google just announced they service over 50% of fortune 500 companies instead of Microsoft. And also living in a world where they have plugged away at TV failing over and over spectacularly (LOL remember the Nexus Q?) until they finally found something that caught fire (Chromecast). Oh, and also.... Chromebooks are actually gaining steam. Its still hard for me to even say that without having an aneurysm.
So who knows, this stuff may very well take off, so MS should be hammering away at it alongside everyone else.
I can agree with that. They were very far in advance of most of this stuff.
I seriously doubt those companies are using Google "instead" of MS, but rather an addition to. What exactly were they referring to? Cloud services, docs, hardware? I work at a fortune 500 company and there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that we drop Office anytime soon. In fact, we are going in deeper with Sharepoint, Lync, Servers, TFS, and Sql Servers. We also have ADID authentication for pretty much every single thing we have.
"Google is really making Microsoft Office hurt in the enterprise: 67 of the top 100 startups went Google. 58% of Fortune 500. 72 of top 100 universities."
If I had any MS stock, I'd start selling
Wow, didn't think Google Docs had this kind of traction but it's bad news for MS no matter what.
Yeah my company is exchange, sharepoint, office, lync, windows etc.. Basically Microsoft/Oracle/Cisco. Google is non existent outside of just some normal consumer stuff.
Steelyuhas
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Yeah there's no way in hell that half of the fortune 500 companies aren't using office and other popular MS enterprise applications/tool sets.
My company is a full Microsoft shop. We don't use any Google stuff and they aren't ever in the discussion that I know of when we talk new tech to adopt.
Oooh
Even gmail barely works as a professional email application.
It got better over the years, but you are still very restricted in what you can do apart from writing simple emails. For anything more, you have to use outlook. Organising yourself with google calendar is catastrophic too.
I would think that well over half of the people in my company use app sync and outlook.
And just about no one uses google docs and google drive etc. I know of none, but statistically there has to be a few weirdos out there.
It got better over the years, but you are still very restricted in what you can do apart from writing simple emails. For anything more, you have to use outlook. Organising yourself with google calendar is catastrophic too.
I would think that well over half of the people in my company use app sync and outlook.
And just about no one uses google docs and google drive etc. I know of none, but statistically there has to be a few weirdos out there.
I can't agree with the Metro criticisms at all. It's as beautiful now as it was when it launched, and aspects of it have been updated over the years as necessary. I would hate to see the design changed for the sake of change. Stuff like the smaller headers in 8.1 or the Bing suite of applications seems like a more logical progression.
After Google I/O I can't help but feel how stale Windows Phone has become in terms of fluidness and style (note: I haven't tried 8.1 so I don't know if it changes a lot). Microsoft really feels super behind both Apple and Google in terms of ecosystem and general experience imo.
A shame since I legititmately like WP7 and WP8.
A shame since I legititmately like WP7 and WP8.
Considering how much of the public is oblivious to WP, I think the UI is still eye-catching. People ask me about my phone constantly at work where iPhones and Android dominate. Still get compliments to how cool my home screen looks.
Did you do anything for her to learn your commute? Cortana knows where I live and work because I entered the information. However I can't figure out how to teach her my commute to work. Would love it of she told me about traffic in the morning.
Did you do anything for her to learn your commute? Cortana knows where I live and work because I entered the information. However I can't figure out how to teach her my commute to work. Would love it of she told me about traffic in the morning.
Sooner the better.
Last year's earning call they mentioned 50%.
But it sounds a little more open ended, rather than companies just, say, switching to Google Docs instead of Office. Not sure what is all covered under 'paid enterprise product'. If a business using Google Maps for store locators counts, for example, then you've got a lot of wiggle room.
Yeah, strangely they block OneDrive.com, but if I go to Oulook.com first, and then navigate to OneDrive using the top panel, then it works.
That statement absolutely just means that those companies are paying for some sort of google service.
The difference is that Google tries a little bit harder when they fail, Look at Google TV, that thing was a piece of crap that failed but they kept trying and now have Android TV. Microsoft on the other hand tries it, fails and then sees others successful at it and then tries too late to go back into that market.
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