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Windows Phone |OT3 Update 3| Please be excited
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Anton Sugar
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929/Icon being Verizon exclusive makes me rage.
brotkasten
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It's almost like Nokia totally misjudged the market and thought everyone would want a 6" screen over a 5" one.
I still have 2 years left of my 3 year contract from my Ativ S. Apparently my warranty didn't help with my Ativ S's issues so I'm outta luck.
show me your skeleton
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still no 'black' update 
8.2 million is horrible. I bet someone at Microsoft now really regrets the Nokia acquisition. At about 30 million units per year they are a long way off the 50 million they need to break even: "To break even on an operating basis, Microsoft will need Nokia to sell about 50 million smartphones a year, it said in a presentation." (source)
With smartphone prices and margins going down 50 million may not even be enough to break even.
Microsoft is just horrible at acquisitions. Neither their purchase of Skype nor Nokia will end well. Google's recent robotics and home automation purchases will probably matter a lot more in the long run.
Focusing on stupidly large phones certainly didn't help Nokia, but I'm not so sure a 5" device would have helped much, seeing how none of their flagship phones sell particularly well. Nor would 8.1 have done much good since the average user know next to nothing about OS versions and new features. The best 8.1 can do is retain some current users.
Microsoft would probably be better served killing off Windows Phone and moving to an Android fork (or not do hardware in the first place). Maybe they can start with Nokia's Android fork from the Normandy. They could still recreate the Metro UI and customize the OS. Throw in Bing and Office and Xbox. They wouldn't waste sooo much effort on building the OS, begging developers to build apps, making their services available on three platforms... and they could base their future products (e.g. wearables) on Android. The market for smart watches that play well with Windows Phone probably isn't all that big.
Yeah, things are looking bad. It's almost over.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/23/5338162/microsoft-q2-2014-financial-earnings
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/23/5338162/microsoft-q2-2014-financial-earnings
Haha, was about to post that.
Steelyuhas
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Yep, on AT&T and I think the 929 would be a perfect phone for me. Hopefully it's timed exclusive and AT&T gets a version.
Damn, cash moneyz
Anton Sugar
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lastflowers
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Seems like we're being sold to blackberry. Off to Canada for apt hunting.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Nest and the company with the running robots are better acquisitions than Nokia and Skype? How far into the future do we wait before I can call you out on this?
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I bought an original Surface RT for $180 and surprisingly love it, considering all the negativity surrounding its performance that I'd read prior to buying it. I take it to work meetings and get asked about it all the time.
edit: I agree RT should disappear now that the Atom tablets are price competitive, but for my uses, it works fine. If MS used RT for sub $200 tablets, the platform would make more sense.
edit: I agree RT should disappear now that the Atom tablets are price competitive, but for my uses, it works fine. If MS used RT for sub $200 tablets, the platform would make more sense.
Disagree about RT.
There's absolutely no use for desktop apps on a tablet for me. I really liked by Surface RT, and the Surface 2 is perfect. As far as I'm concerned, once they finally move all of the control panel's function into Metro, I'd never go to the desktop again.
Especially now that I discovered how well remote desktop works and that I can play Football Manager from the comfort of my couch on my Surface.
The only people that worry about RT are the ones that haven't used it. The word of mouth is coming from them, no one else.
There's absolutely no use for desktop apps on a tablet for me. I really liked by Surface RT, and the Surface 2 is perfect. As far as I'm concerned, once they finally move all of the control panel's function into Metro, I'd never go to the desktop again.
Especially now that I discovered how well remote desktop works and that I can play Football Manager from the comfort of my couch on my Surface.
The only people that worry about RT are the ones that haven't used it. The word of mouth is coming from them, no one else.
lastflowers
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The RT got some nice performance updates in the first couple of months. The first month was a bit laggy...and the 1st party apps were horrendous. They did themselves a massive disservice by shipping some really subpar 1st party apps at launch.
The Surface 2 is an amazing device (for me). It's essentially exactly what I want in a tablet. That being said, if x86 provides the same battery life, weight, and cost...why go Arm instead of x86?
I love x86 in my Venue 8 Pro not because of the ability to use traditional desktop applications, but rather a few games like Hearthstone that I otherwise wouldn't be able to play on it. Also, it's nice to be able to use utilities like WinDirStat and various media player desktop applications that simply don't exist in the Windows Store.
Specific example: using GOM Player to boost volume through the speakers in a way that didn't distort audio, more than any Windows Store apps can do.
Specific example: using GOM Player to boost volume through the speakers in a way that didn't distort audio, more than any Windows Store apps can do.
I'd argue the other way around, the newest Lenovo doesn't need the W8, RT would be more than enough for it.
Obviously, like LF said, if the price, the performance, the battery life etc are the same, you might as well go for x86, but from a usability point of view, I don't think it's needed.
edit: gaming is definitely a very valid point though, of course.
Obviously, like LF said, if the price, the performance, the battery life etc are the same, you might as well go for x86, but from a usability point of view, I don't think it's needed.
edit: gaming is definitely a very valid point though, of course.
antiquegamer
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Looking at the earning report you can see why some investors are calling for them to axe Xbox and othere consumer division (Surface). Most of the money being made by Microsoft are from their enterprise licensing.
It would be a very narrow minded way of looking at things.
Their consumer market products and efforts also aid their enterprise market, no matter that they generate very little profit in comparison.
Also, who cares what investors think. They're making money off the back of those profits for sitting on their arse and doing fuck all. They are a slightly more sophisticated version of a gambler that sits in the betting shop from 10 in the morning having had a couple of special brews for breakfast.
Their consumer market products and efforts also aid their enterprise market, no matter that they generate very little profit in comparison.
Also, who cares what investors think. They're making money off the back of those profits for sitting on their arse and doing fuck all. They are a slightly more sophisticated version of a gambler that sits in the betting shop from 10 in the morning having had a couple of special brews for breakfast.
Any investor that calls for a company to axe something that made the same money in one quarter as the entire previous fiscal year (Surface) is retarded.
antiquegamer
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Well I am sure they feel Microsoft resources were being wasted in consumer markets where they feel Microsoft could strengthen their hands on enterprise and expanded if they were to concentrate there instead. I don't think they are being retarded, just practical and wants to maximize their investments. I am not saying I am agreeing with them but I can see where they are coming from.
Sorry gotta disagree here as a Surface RT owner I'd rather have full 8.1 on a tablet. The worst is when going to websites with pop up menus that don't work correctly in RT IE but works perfectly fine on PC IE which makes me angry.
I got mine for $199 so I didn't pay to much to try RT and I enjoy using it but I'll never purchase another RT device ever.
antiquegamer
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I am waiting for clearance fire sale on that 2520, even then I am not sure why I would want an RT tablet. I love the Dell Venue 8, even with all the little quirks. I don't feel so restricted with it like I was when I was using Nexus or iPad, I can move my files from my computer and download whatever I want using desktop. And I have to say again, with full function browser, I have no need whatsoever for any apps on metro side.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
You have PC IE on your surface along with RT IE.
Unfortunately the desktop IE on Surface RT does the same thing as the metro one. If I try the same websites on my PC it works without issues. Must be something with the ARM version.
Can you try to change the user agent (I think that's what it is called?) to Chrome?
Doesn't really change my thinking. No company should ever have all their eggs in one basket. Ask Blackberry how concentrating 90% of their effort on enterprise worked out for them.
If you can get one for $200-300 it wouldn't be bad and I like my Surface RT but when the atom devices are cheaper and battery life comparable, it makes it harder to buy a RT device. Almost bought a Dell Venue Pro 8 but glad I waited since the Lenovo ThinkPad 8 looks like a better fit for my needs.
More like Nokia stopped giving a shit after the sale to MS and probably lowered its promotional efforts and carrier incentives. Expect to see it drop till MS takes over.
That is also making an assumption that throwing more money at the enterprise arena will garner them more profits. Especially when they have so much cash on hand to spend on whatever they want.
Also, are there any rumors of a Surface Pro 8" model? That would be fantastic. Otherwise I might just get one of the next round of 8"ers from Lenovo or Dell.
They should hire Rudy to make an Xbox Music app.
Yep. Naming convention is silly as well.
It's not their fault Terry Myerson is taking his sweet ass time updating every MS OS on earth.
brotkasten
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Investors are probably fantasizing about selling the enterprise business in 5-10 years to Lenovo. :lol
And the 8" Surface comes with RT, afaik.
I should have mentioned that Silverlight support missing is a big deal too on RT.
Also sort of inexcusable considering how many websites still use it for DRM reasons and it's a Microsoft technology, no matter that it's being phased out.
In conclusion, I may have somewhat overstated my point.
Also sort of inexcusable considering how many websites still use it for DRM reasons and it's a Microsoft technology, no matter that it's being phased out.
In conclusion, I may have somewhat overstated my point.
Kinky John
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Waiting for approval. >:-(
I thought there would have been some movement this week on the latest update for the lower end phones, but no.
I thought there would have been some movement this week on the latest update for the lower end phones, but no.
brotkasten
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Lumia 1520V is a wxvga device(1280*768)
the battery is 2370mah
Lumia 1520v is 4.45 inch large
Lumia 1520V has six small live tiles (WPBar is very sure about it)
If that's their 920 successor, then they can go to hell.
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