Yeezus H. Christ
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If only I could quote this, time-travel one year into the past and post it.
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Wkd BO 0415-1716 - Boy raised by wolves attacks as Bats & Supes look on... helpless
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If only I could quote this, time-travel one year into the past and post it.
$836m ww
Def disappointing, but somewhat respectable. It shows WB how much they fucked up though and how a good movie could have done like $500m more ww.
milanbaros
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It's more it's just not the financial bomb some make it out to be. They'll still make a profit, just a shit one.
Father_Brain
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It sounds impressive, without the context of the budget (north of $400m with marketing), or the opening weekend. Over 50% of its current total came from the first three days in release. Its gross is a function of a great premise and marketing yielding a great opening weekend. From there it did about as badly as it could possibly have done.
Green Embers
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I watched Zootopia this week and man, wish I had watched it earlier. It needs to make all the money! Good to see it hanging in there.
CaviarMeths
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If BvS doesn't achieve a 2x multiplier, it will be the first film of 37 to open over $100mil to fail that. It will be the 5th film of 282 to open over $40mil to fail it.
So yeah, its performance after the first 3 days is pretty much as bad as it could possibly have been. Especially considering the lack of competition in the first 3 weeks.
So yeah, its performance after the first 3 days is pretty much as bad as it could possibly have been. Especially considering the lack of competition in the first 3 weeks.
Discotheque
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Best Disney cartoon in so many years imo. Liked it more than inside out too
Future Foundation
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No it doesn't. It makes it an underperformance.
WaffleTaco
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I'm seeing it for a third time at the drive in tonight. The main reason we going is for The Jungle Book, but Zootopia is good so we might stay for it.
How much does it need to underperform before it becomes a bomb? The movie breaking even budget wise (or even turning a small profit) is not the whole picture. The movie using up time and resources (and damaging several valuable brands) is a serious financial blow.
WB NEEDED a win here, and in no way, shape, or form has BvS managed that. "Underperformace" is vastly underselling it.
HeartlessNobody213
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BVS is nowhere near a bomb. Don't know why people keep saying that. Yes it underperformed but a bomb it is not.
Future Foundation
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I don't know why I'm even stressing about this. The word's practically a joke because of how little it means around here.
Fucking Fantastic Four is a bomb that "damaged" it's brand. How long are we gonna wait until we see another one of those?
There's some Jeep ads that play on the radio here that are always advertising some Jeep "Dawn of Justice" edition. Wonder how much Chrysler regrets having the stink of this movie being associated with their brand.
Needless to say, the marketing budget for this movie was definitely massive.
BlackNMild2k1
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a "BOMB" would be defined as failing to even come close to recouping it's budget.
Underperforming would mean that while it didn't technically lose money, it certainly didn't make much, if any, either.
and what BvS and AM2 both did was not only underperform, but both were quite disappointing in both critical and financial gains.
Sony had an out in Marvel taking over the reigns. WB has to keep pushing forward and hope it all works out in the end.
You don't understand what a bomb is. These are examples of recent bombs:
Gods of Egypt- $150m budget, $31m dom, $138m ww
Tomorrowland- $200m budget, $93m dom, $209m ww
In the Heart of the Sea- $100m budget, $25m dom, $94m ww
What you've described is a disappointment, not a bomb. No film that makes $800m can be reasonably called that. Films like Brothers Grimsby, Gods of Egypt and Fantastic 4, which not only fail, but fail spectacularly, are bombs. They come nowhere near covering their budgets and don't earn a large amount to begin with.
Dash_Riprock
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What you just said is an absolute, Obi-wan.
Calling a film a "Bomb" is defined solely by revenue, hence the full term BOX OFFICE Bomb.
"Flop" might be a better term, but that too deals mostly with revenue.
I am talking in terms of overall monetary profile, rather than looking at BvS's BO total in a vacuum.
If we just want to use "bomb" in that limited way, then ok, fine. But WB views it as far more than a "disappointment."
Bobby Roberts
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BvS didn't bomb, Matt.
It didn't even slow down production on Justice League.
Bombs blow shit up.
This is going to nose over profitable. Just barely. And it's going to take home video and licensing to do it. And even then, it's not gonna be much. But it's not a bomb. Bombs lose money. Bombs don't make their domestic budget back. Bombs sometimes don't even get near that domestic budget.
A film can be a massive disappointment and still not be a bomb. Because expectations aren't a set thing. They can grow and shrink. But a bomb is pretty basic. There's an objective standard you can look at.
Did it just about break even? Not a bomb.
Did it lose a lot of money? Bomb.
BvS is not what anyone at WB wanted. No way it is. But that doesn't make the film a bomb. It will not lose this studio money. It's not even really stopping the studios forward momentum.
Not a bomb.
It didn't even slow down production on Justice League.
Bombs blow shit up.
This is going to nose over profitable. Just barely. And it's going to take home video and licensing to do it. And even then, it's not gonna be much. But it's not a bomb. Bombs lose money. Bombs don't make their domestic budget back. Bombs sometimes don't even get near that domestic budget.
A film can be a massive disappointment and still not be a bomb. Because expectations aren't a set thing. They can grow and shrink. But a bomb is pretty basic. There's an objective standard you can look at.
Did it just about break even? Not a bomb.
Did it lose a lot of money? Bomb.
BvS is not what anyone at WB wanted. No way it is. But that doesn't make the film a bomb. It will not lose this studio money. It's not even really stopping the studios forward momentum.
Not a bomb.
Dont worry, he's right and will keep explaining it to the line of people telling him he is wrong.
BvS is a modest failure. It wasn't catastrophic, it certainly didn't succeed financially, critically, or in mind share. It didn't do the Superman, Batman, or DC franchise any favors but it didn't sink them either.
Basically it's a failure that leaves open the possibility of recovery.
Basically it's a failure that leaves open the possibility of recovery.
I think it could be easily argued that BvS did, in fact, blow up a lot of potential earnings for WB.
But ok, I don't want to argue semantics, I get what you guys are saying, and agree that just in terms of BO budget vs. performance, bomb doesn't qualify.
Oh, will I?
Weren't you the one who spearheaded the "AoU did terribly" arguement in these threads last year?
NealMcCauley
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Maybe there should be a new term between bomb and underperformer. Like something more PC than premature ejaculator.
ghostwritingduck
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Justice League will be the bomb. It'll be more Batman V. Superman with even less Batman screentime.
By no means good. But still eeking out a profit takes it out of "Bomb" territory and into "Humongously disappointing" territory. A small step up, but an important one.
This is hard for me to believe. Inside Out became my favorite animated film pretty much instantly. You guys are REALLY hyping this movie. It had better be as good as I've heard....
Really? I mean... AoU did 1.4billion. Its one of the largest BO takes ever. I think its in the top 12 or something. Even if it could have made more, it made them a TON of profit. Thats leaaaaaaaaaaaaaagues above BvS. Its not even close.
illmatic22
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BvS wishes it was an Age of Ultron type "disappointment"
PhoncipleBone
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Smashflop(tm of AV Club)
WhiteRabbitEXE
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9th domestic, 7th worldwide. It was 7th and 5th until Jurassic World and Star Wars each knocked it down a slot.
AntraxSuicide
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Why even fret over calling it a bomb when you've got far better adjectives to use? Like massive disappointment, miserable failure, complete and total fuck-up of what should've been a box-office smash? These are all definitely true, and I think they encapsulate how bad this thing was.
Bomb is boring. BvS's pathetic outcome is anything but.
Bomb is boring. BvS's pathetic outcome is anything but.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Complete and total fuck-up sounds about right.
Yeah, that was him. I remember because I called him out on it multiple times.
This!
BvS didn't bomb but I'm not excited for the JL movie knowing Snyder is still the director. And I didn't like any of the other JL cameos in BvS. I just want more Batman and Wonderwoman, which I will get in their solo movies. I think JL will be the bomb. I may just wait for the DVD unless the review is somehow great.
Gordon Shumway
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What? It's been, what..a month? Does it swap out movies so quickly normally? Can't image SOMEONE isn't going out to watch it..
Dash_Riprock
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I don't think WB would drop so much cash for Affleck just to have him as a background character.
I imagine his role will be comparable to RDJ's in the MCU.
Bobby Roberts
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