Obliterator
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I think Infinity War will have a slight bump up from Ultron but nothing major
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Wkd BO 0602-0417 - Amazon princess crowned box office Queen and saves DCEU
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No comic book movie on the horizon has a chance at topping Avengers at the box office. I think, in a perfect world, Justice League would have been the only one but we know what happened.
Freeza Under The Shower
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technically it could still get there. Technically. But what's curious about its boxofficemojo page is the division between domestic and foreign, at almost the same as Wonder Woman at 44-56, and almost to the decimal the same percentages as the first guardians.
This may be the maximum that this niche has to offer. TFA also had 45-55 division btw.
Obliterator
Member
Guardians run is winding down. I'm not sure it's gonna hit 850
It's still a huge success
It's still a huge success
Really? I always considered GOTG2 getting within reasonable distance of BvS to be a big success considering how unknown they were to the masses to begin with. A billion seems like a big leap to expect for that sequel.
It has a pretty good chance at $850M. This weekend was close to $10M domestic, so another $30M isn't really a stretch.
GOTG2's international run is pretty much done, but it can at least squeeze out another $5-10M overseas.
EDIT: Actually, I was looking at the wrong AoU weekend. The fifth weekend was $11.4M and AoU made another $31.5M.
Freeza Under The Shower
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btw, on Infinity War, I was thinking about how the Marvel movies can't do serious, as a result of our 'Black Widow could work' (it can't) discussion in the previous thread, and almost every time the MCU tries to do 'serious' its downright awkward to the point of being unintentionally hilarious. That relationship talk in Age of Ultron was 'wait are they doing this? oh god they're doing this' material. I believe similar complaints exist toward the Jessica Jones and other Marvel tv shows as well.
So I'm really starting to wonder if Infinity War, which is apparently this deep dark jump into the abyss as far as Marvel goes, won't basically be the best worst unintentional comedy of all time when it goes all 'and here's a joke' and then some character violently dies or whatever.
Considering how extremely poorly the previous movies have dealt with it, I don't think they're suddenly going to 'get it' with that one.
Ironically, what the MCU needs, is a healthy dose of Zack Snyder.
So I'm really starting to wonder if Infinity War, which is apparently this deep dark jump into the abyss as far as Marvel goes, won't basically be the best worst unintentional comedy of all time when it goes all 'and here's a joke' and then some character violently dies or whatever.
Considering how extremely poorly the previous movies have dealt with it, I don't think they're suddenly going to 'get it' with that one.
Ironically, what the MCU needs, is a healthy dose of Zack Snyder.
I thought there was an alright take on serious in both Civil War and (especially) The Winter Soldier, though, heh.
Obliterator
Member
An yeah I just noticed it's international numbers have really dropped off so I wasn't sure if Domestic would still have the pull left to get it up to 850. Would be nice if it does get there though
Messofanego
Banned
Don't worry, Justice League is right around the corner to ruin it all.
Homecoming 2 if 1 is well received?
I edited my post above, since I was looking at AoU's sixth weekend and not fifth. The rest still applies. With Ultron legs, GotG2 would make another $27M. Overseas would have to add in the missing $5.5M to hit $850M.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Civil War technically counts.
If Guardians 2 couldn't do it, then no movie can.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Will a non RDJ Marvel film hit a billion?
broncobuster
Banned
Civil War got closest, I felt. But you had moments like Peggy's funeral undercut with Falcon nudging Cap to forward that awkward relationship with her niece. Similarly with Winter Soldier, when they tried having a moment with Cap and Bucky, you had cutaways to Falcon jumping from an exploding building to a helicopter. Theme here is Russos get like 70% of the way there. So, I have some faith in Infinity War doing OK on that front.
But if we're broadly talking Marvel Studios movies, Ryan Coogler did an amazing job with Creed in balancing the fun and emotional beats. The cast is amazing. There's a solid writer on board. It'd be hard to mess that one up. I'm pulling for it to be as stand alone as Wonder Woman is.
Probably eventually. I doubt Disney is going to stop making Marvel films, even if we get a bit of a hiatus at some point. Big Superhero films have been making big bucks for 40 years. A decade from now, $1B will basically be today's $750-800M.
That said, I don't see any of the non-RDJ films through Phase 3 getting there.
First off, no
Secondly, jesus christ no keep that hack that fuck away from this universe
Third, the Russo Bros already proved they can pull off dark + serious with Winter Soldier and Civil War
DC marks, man I swear.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
The irony is that not even DC can do serious. Even Wonder Woman needed some levity to make it work.
Lmao
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Zach Snyder should adapt some Mark Millar work.
Nemesis is right up his alley.
Obliterator
Member
I know they've said Infinity War isn't a 2 part film anymore but I find it highly unlikely Thanos gets only 1 film. They've been building the MCU up for this dude for 10 years and you are going to try to squeeze everything out of him in like 2 hours? This isn't just another random bad guy but supposedly THE EVENT of the entire MCU.
I'm assuming whatever Avengers 4 is, it involves Thanos still as well. Otherwise this seems like a pretty big let down after all of this build up.
If either of the IW movies fail to outgross Avengers 1 then that's an underperformance.
Obliterator
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I think there's almost 0 chance either matches Avengers 1 BO.
Edit - though I mean Civil War / Age of Ultron didn't get really THAT far off. Maybe I'm underestimating things here. I forgot Ultron only missed it by a little over 100 million. It was much closer than I remember
Age of Ultron's $100M shortfall worldwide was entirely due to weakening exchange rates. Both made pretty much the same amount worldwide with matched rates.
Ultron's big dip was domestically. But it's not all that uncommon to see a big domestic dip to the follow up of a record breaking event film. We'll see how the Jurassic World sequel does next year.
Yes, you are.
Ultron wasn't as well received (worn off novelty) plus by the numbers movie and it still got pretty close. CW was very well received and was basically mini-avengers movie in CA movie disguise and also grossed 400+ million. I think one of the IW movie will easily top 650+ domestic and 2B ww.
Obliterator
Member
Yeah I for some reason entirely forgot how close Ultron ended up. For some reason in my mind I though it had missed by quite a bit, but considering that film seemed to have a somewhat mixed reception the fact it got so close speaks volumes.
Yeah, if Infinity War is good it has every shot of topping Avengers 1. And I'm sure Guardians meeting the Avengers for the first time will be a huge part of the marketing.
I don't think we'll see either hit $600M, but it would sort of be weird to see the culmination of the entire MCU to date barely top Guardians of the Galaxy 2 domestically (as will be the case with Civil War).
AdventureRacing
Member
That would be a massive achievement considering current exchange rates. An almost 600 million jump over ago of ultron is a big ask.
It's hard to see JW matching the performance of the first movie, that was an incredible run. I don't want to underestimate it because we saw what happened last time but I think we'll see a small drop both domestically and WW.
If IW doesn't do it then none will.
I mean you got Spider-Man back with Avengers, teaming up with the GotG for the first time. With a possible Captain Marvel tease? Also this is Thanos big reveal. If the stars don't align for this to outgross Avengers 1 then idk.
MHWilliams
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I think this is true, given some real quality. I think Age of Ultron was a bit of a stumble in the upward trend. I also think we're approaching a point where some of the mainstays are carrying a bit too much baggage for some audiences, so it's good that Infinity War marks the end of many of their contracts.
OrangeAtlas
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People are talking here like Thanos is introduced and defeated in Infinity War, then Avengers 4 is a whole new villain or something.
What Feige has said - and seems most likely - is Infinity War follows Thanos, setting up his charcater and motivation somewhat and showing him as a total force of nature against the Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Avengers 4 probably picks up with them at a low point, but eventually defeating him with some casualties along the way. Despite the "they're not 2 parts" Marvel's throwing around, I highly doubt the full story is wrapped up in one movie.
Obviously we'll know nothing until the movies are released, but I expect them to really push the "2 year event finale" message.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Thinking Millar's penchant for violence and immaturity (trying to be mature in a teen boy way) would be right up Snyder's alley.
Yeah I'm sure both 3 and 4 will have Thanos. If I had to guess, 3 will involve Thanos travelling around the universe and collecting the infinity gems, ending with him on earth and collecting them all.
Then 4 is the big fight.
And yes, Thanos should pretty much be the star of Avengers 3. After all this build up, he needs it. Also helps that he's kinda awesome.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Granted, many of the Marvel villains used so far are awesome on paper but wasted on screen. Just look at Ultron.
I feel like you have to go out of your way to make Thanos from Infinity Gauntlet uncool.
mahvel pls >_<
Gentleman Jack
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Hard to be anything but wasted on screen when the film barely shows anything from your POV before killing you off at the end. That's probably why Stane/Loki rank so high, they get scenes that are more than mugging for the camera saying WAHEY I'M EVIL. Thanos feels like a fucking tourist in his own franchise. Maybe they'll fix that in time for Infinity War. I don't have my hopes up.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
I could say the same about Ultron. (In before cowboy Ultron that Slayven will post)
At least Zemo was awesome. Sure, I didn't get my pimp purple hood, but he was still a cold, calculating bastard.
milanbaros
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I do feel like we should be coming to the end of Thor, cap and iron Man's story in MCU.
Obliterator
Member
Pretty sure we are. I think Avenger 4 is a reboot of the MCU. Same canon but I think we see the end of Thor, Cap, Hulk, Black Widow, Iron Man etc. as the main players.
broncobuster
Banned
Losing Thor would be a shame after they're about to finally make him a good character in Ragnarok. Although, Loki dying makes sense.
Thor and Black Widow's actors are still relatively young. Has either expressed an interest in moving into directing/otherwise leaving the universe?
Obliterator
Member
I think those characters will still exist in the canon and show up (well not Iron Man I think
Thanos kills him
But I think Avengers 4 is the passing of the torch. Won't be surprised if its "The New Avengers"
Nice, that's a great hold and Mon #.