Yeah, there was at least one poster who lives over there that mentioned there was a massive outpouring of grief when Paul died. The dude was handsome and a really rad person that came off as being very genuine, no matter what language you spoke.
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Wkd Box Office 0101-0316 - Hate flows through BO as TFA eyes all-time DOM record
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Yeah, there was at least one poster who lives over there that mentioned there was a massive outpouring of grief when Paul died. The dude was handsome and a really rad person that came off as being very genuine, no matter what language you spoke.
My best guess for Star Wars next week (including 2 days in China)
NOTE: The dotted portion of the red line is a my projection for TFA's next week. Actual gross will probably vary by up to $30M or so in either direction. Maybe more if China's gross is out of left field (extremely high or low compared to expectations). It's still too early to tell.
NOTE: The dotted portion of the red line is a my projection for TFA's next week. Actual gross will probably vary by up to $30M or so in either direction. Maybe more if China's gross is out of left field (extremely high or low compared to expectations). It's still too early to tell.
TFA with Hobbit 1 legs from here on - 1.1B
TFA with Hobbit 2 legs from here on - 1.01B
TFA with Hobbit 3 legs from here on - 918M
Personally I think it'll do 950M+ and fall awfully short (960-980M) of the billion dollar mark. We can then expect a re-release with added scenes or some other gimmick before Ep8.
TFA with Hobbit 2 legs from here on - 1.01B
TFA with Hobbit 3 legs from here on - 918M
Personally I think it'll do 950M+ and fall awfully short (960-980M) of the billion dollar mark. We can then expect a re-release with added scenes or some other gimmick before Ep8.
John Dunbar
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has anyone counted what star war's international gross would look like if adjusted to the dollar's 2009 value? i imagine star wars fans are just petty enough to go down that route. but in all fairness, the dollar is a lot stronger now.
SCULLIBUNDO
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A movie that few people loved, but likely had the most repeat theatre viewings of any film this millennium.
People must be masochists.
"Shit"? Well at least it wasn't as shit as TFA then. I love the Avatar hate. Especially now because TFA won't ever touch it's record worldwide. But hey, "domestic record" is something, I guess
Bobby Roberts
Banned
What a weird sentence
I don't think it's as easy as all that, though. Abrams has never done a Special Edition version of any of his movies before. This seems to be the version he wanted out. And then Lucasfilm's still gotta find a spot on the schedule that's good for such a Special Edition, should Abrams agree to do one.
basically, is it worth the 5 mil or so to put stuff back in (or maybe even more depending how FX heavy any scenes would be) and whatever extra costs for the distribution again?
SCULLIBUNDO
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BronsonLee
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I'm surprised we made it 5 pages before we got to Avatar vs Star Wars again
Discotheque
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The only thing that Star Wars tfa has over avatar is a faaar better cast
James Cameron really scraped the bottom of the barrel with the dodgeball guy and worthington. As opposed to all the killer choices in Star Wars, thus the latter also have a lot more charisma too
James Cameron really scraped the bottom of the barrel with the dodgeball guy and worthington. As opposed to all the killer choices in Star Wars, thus the latter also have a lot more charisma too
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nope.
BronsonLee
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I have no idea why that fucker was in it, all he did in Dodgeball was be lame and make out with Missi Pyle
Then he did fucking GRANDMA'S BOY
I don't know what people don't "get" about Avatar.. 3D was new (again) and Avatar used the tech brilliantly.
That caused the movie to be available in theaters at high ticket prices for a longtime. That's going to be difficult for anyone to repeat since 3D is no longer new, every movie has it (which gives theaters less reason to dedicate screens for as long), and 3D is like the red headed stepchild of tech now.. everyone loves to hate on it.
That caused the movie to be available in theaters at high ticket prices for a longtime. That's going to be difficult for anyone to repeat since 3D is no longer new, every movie has it (which gives theaters less reason to dedicate screens for as long), and 3D is like the red headed stepchild of tech now.. everyone loves to hate on it.
Discotheque
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Well yeah there's more to like in star wars on a character perspective and the ip, I got too reductive there for sure
But abrams made a more inferior movie on a writing/directing standpoint imo
Regarding the Avatar sequel, Im not so sure 3d will be viewed as played out. It seems like people are still willing to turn out for films that actually use 3d properly like Gravity. I think it will see a substantial drop over the first film (especially domestic) but I wouldnt rule out ot hitting $2b due to a lack of 3d being novel. 3d done right is still rare.
None of these worldwide totals take into account exchange rate, right? When it's reported, everything is just converted into USD as per the current exchange rate?
If that's the case, nothing is going to beat Avatar until the US dollar weakens (or until ticket prices increase to offset the difference).
For example, if I release a movie in Europe today and it grosses 1 billion Euro, that gets me 1.08 billion USD. If I released a movie 6 years ago that earned 1 billion Euro, I'm getting closer to 1.4 billion USD.
I know it's a pointless exercise and there's a million other variables that come along with comparing box office takings from different films released years apart. And that Star Wars probably has the advantage of higher ticket prices. And it probably still wouldn't beat Avatar taking all this into account because Avatar was ridiculous.
If that's the case, nothing is going to beat Avatar until the US dollar weakens (or until ticket prices increase to offset the difference).
For example, if I release a movie in Europe today and it grosses 1 billion Euro, that gets me 1.08 billion USD. If I released a movie 6 years ago that earned 1 billion Euro, I'm getting closer to 1.4 billion USD.
I know it's a pointless exercise and there's a million other variables that come along with comparing box office takings from different films released years apart. And that Star Wars probably has the advantage of higher ticket prices. And it probably still wouldn't beat Avatar taking all this into account because Avatar was ridiculous.
Bobby Roberts
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I think writing is arguable, but you're absolutely right that The Force Awakens isn't as well directed or edited as Avatar.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
China will make up for the domestic drop of Avatar 2.
So expecting around 2.3-2.4B for Avatar 2?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think it's possible, yeah.
While not the greatest film of all time, it was an extremely memorable theatre experience (first time 3D truly blew me away). I could care less if it was on top or not, I'm happy it was made.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I expect it to crack $2b worldwide. I don't know beyond that.
We had a good run, one for the ages I think.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The idea that only the greatest films ever made "deserve" the box-office crown is weird, and it seems weird how quickly people arrive at that conclusion, considering what many people consider some of the best films they've seen, many of which didn't make all that much money at all.
Somewhere, they recognize that quality and earnings aren't all that tightly tied together, but that doesn't seem to present itself all that often when they wander into a box-office conversation.
There is a big difference between 2B and 2.4B.
Realistically a 2009 2.8B USD WW gross is like 2.4B USD WW gross today. If we expect a decrease in domestic and expect the chinese gross to make up that difference then 2B would still mean a decrease in the overseas market, even with the stronger dollar.
I hope you got the point.
The attention to detail in that film is unmatched.
That's a weird way to spell Terminator.
Yes, it is, even weird is you missed the 2.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, I still feel that ALIENS is his best film, but it's hard to argue that Titanic isn't probably the best example of "JAMES CAMERON" that exists.
Although Avatar is an amazing, 3D look at the man's filmmaking/fantastical kinks & storytelling fetishes, blown up and set free.
Although Avatar is an amazing, 3D look at the man's filmmaking/fantastical kinks & storytelling fetishes, blown up and set free.
Yup, well said.
QuantumZebra
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ViewtifulJC
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Terminator 1 exists tho
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Uh huh.
All I said is I expect it to crack $2b. I didn't give an exact figure because trying to determine the exact box office with the Cameron wild card in play is a foolish endeavour.
Aliens and T2 are both quite good but they also contain the germs of Cameron's cartoon character writing tropes which become fully grown in his later films. Also I don't like Cameron turning xenomorphs into bugs but that doesn't really have anything to do with the film itself.
Terminator is still his purest film.
Terminator is still his purest film.
BronsonLee
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My faovrite James Cameron movie is Aquaman
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Magnum Opus doesn't necessarily mean it's the best thing an artist does. Just the biggest and widely percieved to be the most important.
My best guess for Star Wars next week (including 2 days in China)
NOTE: The dotted portion of the red line is a my projection for TFA's next week. Actual gross will probably vary by up to $30M or so in either direction. Maybe more if China's gross is out of left field (extremely high or low compared to expectations). It's still too early to tell.
Thanks for this K-Swiss.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Aliens is Cameron's best script.
The Abyss has Cameron's strongest characters.
Titanic features Cameron's strongest directing.
T2 has Cameron's best action.
True Lies sees Cameron's best Paxton.
Avatar is Cameron at his most ambitious.
T1 is Cameron's most concentrated, laser-focused film that has the best atmosphere of any of them.
The Abyss has Cameron's strongest characters.
Titanic features Cameron's strongest directing.
T2 has Cameron's best action.
True Lies sees Cameron's best Paxton.
Avatar is Cameron at his most ambitious.
T1 is Cameron's most concentrated, laser-focused film that has the best atmosphere of any of them.
I'm not sure if you intended for this to be a backhanded compliment, but boy oh boy, does it read like one.
Discotheque
Banned
Another wasteman casting choice from cameron, vinnie chase...lmao
ViewtifulJC
Banned
plus its not even true cuz Aliens
True Savior
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And its smaller. Which is a plus cause they are both a little chore to go through.But yeah, Avatar has a lot of shitty qualities but its incomparably better executed than TFA.
BronsonLee
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It's funny how this doesn't even beat TFA's second weekend now.
No wonder Cameron's so pissed, they shitting on Aquaman too now
That's just The Cameron Touch, man!
IT'S YOUR BOY VINNIE CHASE
I always lolled that he literally offered Vinnie the part while Cameron basically pulled a 'yo, I'm out' in his copter
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