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[jett]

I wish I followed the box office more when Avatar came out. Sounds like it was a crazy time.

It was the best.

It was hilarious watching seriously salty and mad people going over mental gymnastics the first few weeks, trying to downplay ABADAR's insane, unprecedented box office run.

"It's only because it just came out!"

"It's only because it's Christmas!"

"It's only because it's New Year's!"

"Uh... it's only because it's January 17th! Yeah whatever..."

 

[PhoncipleBone]

It was the best.

It was hilarious watching seriously salty and mad people going over mental gymnastics the first few weeks, trying to downplay ABADAR's insane, unprecedented box office run.

"It's only because it just came out!"

"It's only because it's Christmas!"

"It's only because it's New Year's!"

"Uh... it's only because it's January 17th! Yeah whatever..."

You left out, "It's only because of 3D."

 

[kswiston]

I think it was weekend 3 when I realized that Avatar was going to pass Titanic domestically and worldwide.

The $1B club was pretty small back then (I think it was only Titanic, Return of the King, Pirates 2, and The Dark Knight). While most films were struggling to break through that ceiling, Avatar broke records everywhere, hitting $2.75B.

I think it says something that, going on 6 years later, We still haven't seen anything else approach the $2B mark. That's with the crazy growth in Asia and Latin America.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I think it was weekend 3 when I realized that Avatar was going to pass Titanic domestically and worldwide.

The $1B club was pretty small back then (I think it was only Titanic, Return of the King, Pirates 2, and The Dark Knight). While most films were struggling to break through that ceiling, Avatar broke records everywhere, hitting $2.75B.

Yeah, when the third weekend was till hovering around $70m that was when things got crazy.

 

[jett]

You left out, "It's only because of 3D."

Oh yeah, but that's mostly a post-success rationalization. This was people putting down Avatar's insane daily and weekend holds, as if they were a thing of normal occurrence.

 

[Caode]

Reading through some old forum posts regarding Avatar. It's fun in hindsight reading some comments predicting the film would struggle to hit $500 million worldwide. You do tend to forget from time to time until you look at the numbers again just how much of a monster Avatar was.

Also; this.

Comment:
"i think this could be the first 2billion worldwide gross movie. it? not even released in asia yet. is it?"

Response:
"Whoa whoa, back her down there cowboy.

It isn't even close to ONE yet."

 

[Chezzymann]

Reading through some old forum posts regarding Avatar. It's fun in hindsight reading some comments predicting the film would struggle to hit $500 million worldwide. You do tend to forget from time to time until you look at the numbers again just how much of a monster Avatar was.

Also; this.

Its funny looking at its debut weekend box office thread and seeing all the people laughing and saying its a flop for only making 70 million, and then them all shutting up and saying 'holy fuck' when it dropped just 2% the next weekend and made another ~70 million

 

[wachie]

ITT: Ultron figures so boring that all the talk is about Avatar's legs.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

ITT: Ultron figures so boring that all the talk is about Avatar's legs.

Second weekend is when Ultron talk will get more interesting. Besides, Avatar's legs are legendary. Of course we still talk of them.

 

[kswiston]

ITT: Ultron figures so boring that all the talk is about Avatar's legs.

Age of Ultron still has a good shot at landing at #2 on the second weekend chart, even if it holds like Iron Man 3 this weekend.

The film will still end up somewhere between #5 and #7 of all time.

People are just jaded now that the record breaking hype was unfulfilled.

 

[wachie]

It should easily be the #2 all-time second weekend. If that is missed then it would be another disappointment.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

It should easily be the #2 all-time second weekend. If that is missed then it would be another disappointment.

60% drop should still put it at #2. If it drops more than that though...eek. I don't think it will, but I don't think it will have the same hold the first Avengers had. It will probably be high 50s for the drop percentage.

 

[GhaleonEB]

You left out, "It's only because of 3D."

That was the best. "adjusted for ticket price inflation and removing the 3D premium and...." then it was a relative dud.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

That was the best. "adjusted for ticket price inflation and removing the 3D premium and...." then it was a relative dud.

It happened to many movies for years after as well.

 

[kswiston]

Age of Ultron Wednesday number is $9.41M for a $227M total

 

[johnny956]

Age of Ultron Wednesday number is $9.41M for a $227M total

Seeing it's Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday numbers being below Avengers 1 shows it had nothing to do with the boxing match and all other excuses people used for that weekend.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

The boxing match obviously affected Saturday's gross, as evident by most things getting a better Sunday than anticipated. The weekday numbers thus far just point to people not being as enthusiastic for this one as they were for the first film. So far it is looking like Iron Man 3 legs, and if so it should be about a 58% or so drop this weekend as opposed to the 50% drop that first movie had.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

The boxing match obviously affected Saturday's gross, as evident by most things getting a better Sunday than anticipated. The weekday numbers thus far just point to people not being as enthusiastic for this one as they were for the first film. So far it is looking like Iron Man 3 legs, and if so it should be about a 58% or so drop this weekend as opposed to the 50% drop that first movie had.

Everybody and their mother were recommending the 1st avengers.

For this one half the people are saying you can wait

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

ITT: Ultron figures so boring that all the talk is about Avatar's legs.

2 billion dollar insurance was took out on those flawless complexion, long, sexy legs. My my my.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Relatively speaking, which had better legs, Avatar or Titantic?

I know the former made more money, but which was more statistically consistent?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Relatively speaking, which had better legs, Avatar or Titantic?

I know the former made more money, but which was more statistically consistent?

Titanic. It isn't even close. It got to to over $600m in 1997-1998 without having a three day weekend take over $36m. It took until Lost in Space opened in April 1998 to finally supplant it from being the #1 film each weekend since release.

 

[Vanish]

Worldwide total for Age of Ultron including yesterday's tally is about $695M.

The film will be over $900M by the end of this weekend. China's release is next Tuesday, so it will probably cross $1B then or on Wednesday.

Cool, thanks for the update. Real curious to see where Age of Ultron ends up on the list once it's done with theaters.

 

[Cheebo]

The boxing match obviously affected Saturday's gross, as evident by most things getting a better Sunday than anticipated. The weekday numbers thus far just point to people not being as enthusiastic for this one as they were for the first film. So far it is looking like Iron Man 3 legs, and if so it should be about a 58% or so drop this weekend as opposed to the 50% drop that first movie had.

Should finish around 450-475 range in the end seems like.

Needs to beat one of these to crack the top 5 domestic list:

1. Avatar $760,507,625
2. Titanic $658,672,302
3. The Avengers $623,357,910
4. The Dark Knight $534,858,444
5. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace $474,544,677

 

[Officerrob]

Relatively speaking, which had better legs, Avatar or Titantic?

I know the former made more money, but which was more statistically consistent?

Titanic was all leg

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Should finish around 450-475 range in the end seems like.

Needs to beat one of these to crack the top 5 domestic list:

I could see it nudging Phantom Menace out of the way.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Everybody and their mother were recommending the 1st avengers.

For this one half the people are saying you can wait

As we were walking into Ex Machina on Sunday night, I asked my friend about Avengers. She said, she can wait until DVD (should have said Blu-ray ). I know, anecdotal, but that's the truth.

 

[wachie]

I could see it nudging Phantom Menace out of the way.

And we will see the MCU fanatics waving that as some sort of victory. 150M reduction for a much anticipated sequel is a disappointing cake, which ever way you cut it.

Same thing may happen with Avatar 2 but with all things Cameron, you never know.

 

[Killing_Joke]

I'll never ever understand how Avatar made so much money. That WW number is just insane. If only T2 had that number it wouldn't bug me so much.

 

[Kusagari]

Nobody had Ultron under 500m domestically.

A drop was expected, but not anywhere near this severe. You've gotta call it disappointing compared to expectations.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

And we will see the MCU fanatics waving that as some sort of victory.

And they'd be right. 2 movies in the top 5 domestic all time? You can brag on that, definitely.

Cameron, Marvel, & Batman.

 

[wachie]

And they'd be right. 2 movies in the top 5 domestic all time? You can brag on that, definitely.

Cameron, Marvel, & Batman.

That's the flip way of looking at it but a hollow victory. I'm guessing whichever that #5 movie is, it won't last long (in the top 5) with all that blockbusters slated in the next few years.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

That's the flip way of looking at it but a hollow victory.

Whose victory though? Not mine. Not anyone watching the movies. Anyone already trying to use box-office as a rallying cry to explain/support their choice in fandom is shorting themselves regardless.

The movie is a huge success by any metric. Did Marvel/Disney expect more? Probably. That's maybe the ONLY context in which you can call this box-office disappointing, but I don't see how that context carries a ton of weight over here on the consumer side. If we were Disney stockholders, maybe? But we're just dudes bullshitting about pop-culture on a video game forum, and in that context, Avengers movies could wind up being two of the top five all-time domestic box-office grossers.

 

[Alrus]

When the dust settles Avengers 2 is still going to make a shitton of money for Disney, but yeah it's clear the performance is a bit disappointing after all the hype. Like I know it's still going to be massive, guaranteed top 5 worldwide (unless it really under performs in China), but I can't help but feel a bit disappointed, it's weird.

It'll be interesting to see how phase 3 Marvel movies perform.

Reading through some old forum posts regarding Avatar. It's fun in hindsight reading some comments predicting the film would struggle to hit $500 million worldwide. You do tend to forget from time to time until you look at the numbers again just how much of a monster Avatar was.

I remember a (pretty hilarious in hindsight) IGN article saying it probably wouldn't break 450m and pointing how Fox could cushion the gigantic loss they were sure to take. Honestly I don't know why people thought it would do this badly early on, I remember people being really hyped when the trailer played in theater.

I love it when movies that nobody expect to do well end up being massive (even on a smaller scale than Avatar).

 

[wachie]

Whose victory though? Not mine. Not anyone watching the movies. Anyone already trying to use box-office as a rallying cry to explain/support their choice in fandom is shorting themselves regardless.

The movie is a huge success by any metric. Did Marvel/Disney expect more? Probably. That's maybe the ONLY context in which you can call this box-office disappointing, but I don't see how that context carries a ton of weight over here on the consumer side. If we were Disney stockholders, maybe? But we're just dudes bullshitting about pop-culture on a video game forum, and in that context, Avengers movies could wind up being two of the top five all-time domestic box-office grossers.

This is quite likely (Infinity War Pt II), just that it probably won't be Ultron.

Also since when does anyone need to be a stock holder to critique anything? Just like the sales-age on the gaming side, you don't need to hold Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo stocks to predict/applaud/critique any of their sales figures.

 

[kswiston]

That's the flip way of looking at it but a hollow victory. I'm guessing whichever that #5 movie is, it won't last long (in the top 5) with all that blockbusters slated in the next few years.

Why are you gunning so hard against this film?

Empire Strikes back dropped to $209M from Star Wars' $306M. The Lost World dropped to $229M from Jurassic Park's $357M. Big Drops for the sequels of mega breakthrough films is not that uncommon.

 

[guek]

Why are you gunning so hard against this film?

Empire Strikes back dropped to $209M from Star Wars' $306M. The Lost World dropped to $229M from Jurassic Park's $357M. Big Drops for the sequels of mega breakthrough films is not that uncommon.

Because he refuses to be a no good dirty "MCU fanatic"

 

[StoopKid]

Wachie wants this movie to fail so badly lol.

 

[wachie]

Why are you gunning so hard against this film?

Come on, I'm not Cheebs. I'm not in denial either.

#LeaveUltronAlone

Empire Strikes back dropped to $209M from Star Wars' $306M. The Lost World dropped to $229M from Jurassic Park's $357M. Big Drops for the sequels of mega breakthrough films is not that uncommon.

Did I say it was common/uncommon?

Wachie wants this movie to fail so badly lol.

Now this is getting childish. Do you want my stub for watching this opening weekend?

Looks like I ruffled the feathers in the Marvel crowd.

edit - http://i.imgur.com/BUQPHF9.png (Enjoy)

 

[kswiston]

Come on, I'm not Cheebs. I'm not in denial either.

#LeaveUltronAlone

Did I say it was common/uncommon?

If Marvel expected Age of Ultron to match the first film domestically they are crazy. Were they hoping for/expecting something closer to $525-550M instead of $460-475M? Probably, but that went out the window when the opening weekend gross ended up being $20-25M lower than projections.

I don't think most rational people were expecting Ultron to have great legs. Sequels to big blockbuster hits are frontloaded. Sequels with mixed word of mouth even moreso.

 

[Cheebo]

Come on, I'm not Cheebs. I'm not in denial either.

#LeaveUltronAlone

Hey, I over-predicted 550 mil! I ended up on the optimistic side oddly enough.

I still don't know how I got a anti-MCU reputation, I am a pretty big fan of the MCU. I just think (which is a pretty safe bet now at least domestically) Episode VII was going to beat AOU since day one. I was pretty alone in that camp before the first teaser.

 

[guek]

Looks like I ruffled the feathers in the Marvel crowd.

Why not talk down further while you're at it since you're being so mature

I still don't know how I got a anti-MCU reputation, I am a pretty big fan of the MCU. I just think (which is a pretty safe bet now at least domestically) Episode VII was going to beat AOU since day one. I was pretty alone in that camp before the first teaser.

I've never thought of you as a hater, just a really, really, really big star wars fan

 

[wachie]

If Marvel expected Age of Ultron to match the first film domestically they are crazy. Were they hoping for/expecting something closer to $525-550M instead of $460-475M? Probably, but that went out the window when the opening weekend gross ended up being $20-25M lower than projections.

I don't think most rational people were expecting Ultron to have great legs. Sequels to big blockbuster hits are frontloaded. Sequels with mixed word of mouth even moreso.

I think Marvel were expecting this to break the OW record, that is be more front loaded and land around 550M and that didn't happen.

I wouldn't call Ultron's word of mouth to be mixed either, it's not like Avengers but it's also far from mixed.

Hey, I over-predicted 550 mil! I ended up on the optimistic side oddly enough.

I still don't know how I got a anti-MCU reputation, I am a pretty big fan of the MCU. I just think (which is a pretty safe bet now at least domestically) Episode VII was going to beat AOU since day one. I was pretty alone in that camp before the first teaser.

I just saw some of your posts in one of the threads and people calling you out, sorry if I offended you I was just acting like the fanatics.

On topic of Star Wars, it might outgross Ultron domestic but I wouldn't call it safe. Dec OW record is pretty safe I would say.

 

[Cheebo]

I've never thought of you as a fanatic, just a really, really, really big star wars fan

Yes, I would agree with that! Maybe a few extra reallys for good measure.

Preferring one franchise doesn't mean I am not a big fan of the other.

 

[BronsonLee]

I still don't know how I got a anti-MCU reputation

Doing your best Nikki Finke impression on Sunday can sour people

Looks like I ruffled the feathers in the Marvel crowd.

And then this dumb shit

 

[guek]

And then this dumb shit

You've been ruffled, bro!

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Danny Rand?

 

[cutmeamango]

I'm gonna go back and edit my predictions, no one will know.

 

[BronsonLee]

You've been ruffled, bro!

...shit

Danny Rand?

At your service!

Spoiler

for millions of dollars

Tldr; Danny Rand is Iron Fist. He's also clearly white.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I'm gonna go back and edit my predictions, no one will know.

We will now. Shouldn't have let us know.

 

[BronsonLee]

Who gives a shit about Avengers anyways, Marvel will print money forever

But if Mad Max bombs, I'm coming for you all