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Woman dies from beating received after accidentally walking into picture being taken

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siddx

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I mentioned this on my facebook and one of my acquaintances here in Vietnam mentioned that she knew the girl through friends and said she really was as genuinely kind and sweet as the article claims.
 
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MisterLuffy

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Banjo-Kazooie said:
I love how people's first reaction is to whip out a cell phone and not to jump in and help...
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I would love to jump in if I had the courage to. But I would get beaten since I don't know how to fight.

Anyways, this was the stupidest reason for taking someone's life. I mean come on, life is more important than taking pictures. We only get to live once.
 
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Ahasverus

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Winterfang said:
I would say, yes. A young beautiful woman certainly had more going on than an ugly old man, therefore her loss is more tragic.
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Well, by that logic, some losses will be less tragic than others.
This is incredibly sad and terrible, this is so.. empty, to be a reason for killing, KILLING, can't people understand what that MEANS? Imagine you, you are your most precious possession and then someone comes and.. steal you from yourself. And become nothingness. THAT is what killing means, and I can't believe people can do it with such ease.
 
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Jenov

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CountAntonius said:
People are trying desperately to dig in other people posts for controversy.

I can understand having issues with a news piece bringing it up like in the other story but who cares if a gaffer noticed she was attractive.
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this, so tired of posts making fake controversy and derails over someone complimenting the victim.
 
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Zaptruder

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Raguel said:
Woman charged in nightclub beating is 'devastated,' attorney says

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79009940/
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Good. I am glad she feels devestated. And I hope it stays with her while she rots in jail because a father lost his daughter; a brother lost his sister. And I hope the rest of the shit stains involved in this poor girls death suffers without daylight.
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You know what would be extra shit?

If the woman was innocent - maybe part of the group that initiated the attack, but not actually as an individual part of that attack?

Then you'd have a dead woman and a jailed woman, and more broken lives.

I mean, the death really really sucks - but I wonder how much outrage there'd be if the same events had resulted in a lesser tragedy - a concussion for example.

As a society... we're apt to jump on the consequences of erroneous actions... but the prevention of those consequences require the examination of the erroneous and abberant actions on a broader scale than the specific case that resulted in tragedy.
 
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this_guy

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Zaptruder said:
You know what would be extra shit?

If the woman was innocent - maybe part of the group that initiated the attack, but not actually as an individual part of that attack?

Then you'd have a dead woman and a jailed woman, and more broken lives.

I mean, the death really really sucks - but I wonder how much outrage there'd be if the same events had resulted in a lesser tragedy - a concussion for example.

As a society... we're apt to jump on the consequences of erroneous actions... but the prevention of those consequences require the examination of the erroneous and abberant actions on a broader scale than the specific case that resulted in tragedy.
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Well supposedly there's video of the attack as well.
 
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MemoryHumanity

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Zornack said:
Would you wade into a melee to try to save someone? I wish I could say I would but I wouldn't.
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Yeah, I've done it before. I got kicked in the ribs and chest several times, but it was a five-on-one situation. I literally could not just stand and watch something like that, even if I wanted to.
 
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jossueinacoma

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Rookje said:
Downtown Santa Ana isn't so bad. It does have The Playground which is IMO the best restaurant in OC. Also Memphis is good, Chapter One, Lola Gaspar, etc.

Terrible story.
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yea I used to be down there a couple nights a week. They have really tuned that place around. Lolas is my go to place. The Crosby on Mondays for all day happy hour. The copper door used to be the greatest thing ever, then they changed ownership and it went to shit. :(
it used to be so cool.
 
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Moppet13

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Zaptruder said:
You know what would be extra shit?

If the woman was innocent - maybe part of the group that initiated the attack, but not actually as an individual part of that attack?

Then you'd have a dead woman and a jailed woman, and more broken lives.

I mean, the death really really sucks - but I wonder how much outrage there'd be if the same events had resulted in a lesser tragedy - a concussion for example.

As a society... we're apt to jump on the consequences of erroneous actions... but the prevention of those consequences require the examination of the erroneous and abberant actions on a broader scale than the specific case that resulted in tragedy.
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Edit: I totally misread a lot of this post. Time for bed.
 
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Gamble

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Zornack said:
Would you wade into a melee to try to save someone? I wish I could say I would but I wouldn't.
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I would and have if I witnessed the events unfold knowing the person didn't deserve it, taken many a punch in the face for strangers who were victims of senseless violence. For a crowd to sit and watch someone slowly get beat to death over her mistakenly walking into a picture shit is just fucking wrong
 
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John Rabbit

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it's stories like this that make me want to believe i would have helped this girl. but you can't know until it happens and i hope i'm never put in a situation where i'd have to find out.
 
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Raguel

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Zaptruder said:
You know what would be extra shit?

If the woman was innocent - maybe part of the group that initiated the attack, but not actually as an individual part of that attack?

Then you'd have a dead woman and a jailed woman, and more broken lives.

I mean, the death really really sucks - but I wonder how much outrage there'd be if the same events had resulted in a lesser tragedy - a concussion for example.

As a society... we're apt to jump on the consequences of erroneous actions... but the prevention of those consequences require the examination of the erroneous and abberant actions on a broader scale than the specific case that resulted in tragedy.
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Please. Drop it with the devils advocate. There is a reason why she was arrested and the bail set at a million bucks. And video evidence of her involvement. Edit: And I would be just as disconcerted if this resulted in a concussion so I don't see the point you're making. Regardless of the outcome, people are outraged for a reason: that of the reckless and abhorrent actions of these useless members of society.
 
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jossueinacoma

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Linkhero1 said:
It really is. I stayed there when I went down to SoCal. My God, the amount of homeless thugs is mind numbing. It's not safe to walk alone at night.
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NoLoveForFailWheelDrive said:
Me too. But it was at a nice club so it's weird. But yeah I never ever go to Santa Ana if I can avoid it. Total shithole filled with ghetto-ass weirdos.
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you guys have only probably seen the bad parts. It's the same as any other city. I've lived in Santa Ana, Garden Grove, and Anaheim. Its the same shit just different city. They're also good parts of it but no one ever brings that up.
 
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EteRnal PAL

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jossueinacoma said:
you guys have only probably seen the bad parts. It's the same as any other city. I've lived in Santa Ana, Garden Grove, and Anaheim. Its the same shit just different city. They're also good parts of it but no one ever brings that up.
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Yup, what jossueinacoma said. I'm currently living in Santa Ana, previously lived in Stanton, Garden Grove, Westminster. It's a big city, certain areas are more ghetto than others. Where the woman was beaten is in a hipster-ish part of town. Of course if you were to travel a few blocks in any direction you will get the more rundown neighborhoods.

I work awfully close to where this went down, drove by the scene during lunch earlier this week. Very sad incident. I didn't know the woman personally but have a couple of friends who knew her well. RIP.
 
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NoRéN

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Linkhero1 said:
It really is. I stayed there when I went down to SoCal. My God, the amount of homeless thugs is mind numbing. It's not safe to walk alone at night.
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It doesn't help that neighboring cities drop off their homeless there making that shitty place much worse.
 
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LaNaranja

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What the hell is up with all the shit talking on Santa Ana? It is a pretty nice place that has arguably the best police department in the state. Also the crime rates are perfectly normal compared to other large city's. I mean if you are comparing it to something like Irvine then sure the crime rate is high but Irvine is consistantly ranked the safest city in the US.

I can only assume that the people talking bad are the affluent folks that come at night to the clubs and art walk and such.

NoLoveForFailWheelDrive said:
Me too. But it was at a nice club so it's weird. But yeah I never ever go to Santa Ana if I can avoid it. Total shithole filled with ghetto-ass weirdos.
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Linkhero1 said:
It really is. I stayed there when I went down to SoCal. My God, the amount of homeless thugs is mind numbing. It's not safe to walk alone at night.
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This just makes me imagine you guys as the worst kind of snobs. The homeless there are actually really nice people.
 
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Dram

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/arrest-made-beating-death-kim-pham-santa-ana-nightclub-article-1.1590642
A second woman has been arrested in the death of the 23-year-old woman who was beaten to death outside a Santa Ana, Calif., nightclub.

The 27-year-old woman was arrested Friday, the second captured in relation to the death of Kim Pham, a Westminster woman who died of blunt force trauma to the head early last Saturday morning.

Another woman, 25-year-old Vanesa Tapia Zavala, has been charged with murder and held in lieu of $1 million bail after her arrest earlier this week.

Pham’s friends said the argument started early Saturday morning as the woman was waiting in line to get into The Crosby. Pham allegedly walked in front of a group of revelers who were trying to take a picture.

A verbal argument quickly escalated into a physical altercation. Pham was reportedly knocked onto the ground while tussling with another woman. A third person came onto the scene and kicked Pham in the temple. She immediately slumped to the floor, which caused the fighters to flee.

"One kick and she was out cold," Jason, a witness, told the Daily News. "No one touched her after that."

Jason, a witness, told The News Pham threw the first punch in the brutal altercation. Jason, who told The News he was waiting in line to get into The Crosby but was not associated with the brawling groups, said he didn’t know what sparked the fight.
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GK86

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LA Times:

Five Santa Ana police officers took the stand Monday, the first time investigators detailed reports from witnesses who saw the fight.

Officer Roland Andrade said one witness told him that someone from Brito and Zavala's group bumped into Pham, setting off an argument.

Andrade was told that one of the women told Pham, "Excuse me," using a sarcastic tone. That prompted Pham to start screaming obscenities at the group. The witness said Pham had to be restrained by her friends.

Brito and Zavala's group walked away but then came back twice to confront Pham, 23, who broke free from her friends and threw the first punch, Andrade said the witness told him.

Pham was kicked in the head by a woman after tumbling to the ground in the scrum, the officer said.

Hospital tests revealed there were no traces of drugs in Pham's system, but Andrade said alcohol was detected, though he didn't know her blood-alcohol level.
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A police officer said one witness told him that a woman had bumped into Pham as she waited in line and then turned to Pham to say: "Watch where you're going."

Officer Gerardo Corona said one of Pham's friends told him two or three women immediately began punching the victim, knocking her to the ground and kicking her in the face until security guards intervened.

The women then walked away after several male companions pulled them off Pham, the officer said.
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Megalosaro

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One version, the one in which Pham punched first, is being told by witnesses not connected with either party. The other is told by her friends.

Not sure it really matters too much. I doubt they'll be able to argue self defense either way
 
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y2dvd

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Unfortunate if the second story is true. Some will say Pham got what she deserves if true. No one deserves death over something like this.
 
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Dram

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-women-found-guilty-in-deadly-california-nightclub-beating/
A California jury has convicted two women of kicking a third woman to death during a fight outside a California nightclub.

Candace Brito, 27, and Vanesa Zavala, 26, were found guilty Thursday of voluntary manslaughter and assault for the Jan. 18 fatal attack on 23-year-old Annie Kim Pham in Santa Ana. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of second-degree murder.

Prosecutors in Orange County said Brito and Zavala kicked Pham in the head after she was knocked down outside The Crosby nightclub. Cellphone video captured the brawl.

Pham was declared brain dead and removed from life support two days later.

At trial, defense attorneys said Pham started the fight after another group bumped into her and her friends outside the club. They argued that Pham could have died from punches or kicks she received from others.

CBS Los Angeles reports sentencing has been set for Sept. 12, and that both women face up to 11 years in state prison.

Both sides agreed the manslaughter conviction was fair.
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Tagyhag

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Man I remember this story. An argument over getting in front of a picture? Just take another one jeez.

And Pham apparently throwing the first punch? If true, what the hell were you doing girl?

It's scary how one kick in the temple is all it takes though, I've always been a follower of safety before ego, random strangers just aren't worth getting into arguments with.
 
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