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[UnblessedSoul]

I'm really sick of dps needing on tank gear, why has this become the norm now? Blizzard should really implement better rules for LFD

 

[Trojita]

Sorry if I missed it.

Is there a guide on which quests guide designed around which ones are the best to take ie for gear purposes?

 

[charlequin]

Finished my first dungeon ever, it gave me Blackfathom Deeps. Oh my god, that was so much fun

First time in history these words have ever been uttered about Blackfathom Deeps. :lol

Now I'm trying to figure out what should be my game routine. Do the solo quests as base gameplay, then one dungeon a day, and PvP arenas every now and then or what?

Basically how I always did it. In the old days the 50-60 content was super sparse on the ground (and concentrated mostly in horrible zones) so everyone I knew switched to running instances as much as possible to get over the hump, but I get the impression that these days the 50-60 zones are actually pretty cool.

This is truth, inflation has been ridiculous. I'm level 40 with 3200 gold.

The last time I was subbed was right before Burning Crusade. When I reactivated I had an herb bag filled with stacks of stuff that used to go for maybe 1-5g a stack, and I've sold all of it for 50-100g a stack in a day. At the same time, the epic world drop staff my 45 shaman was wearing has also gone up 10x in price since I bought it.

 

[GDJustin]

Finished my first dungeon ever, it gave me Blackfathom Deeps. Oh my god, that was so much fun, I'm kicking myself for not trying earlier. So much more happening than in solo play. It was pretty easy for my level, but everyone was really helpful and friendly.

At one point I selected "Need" for a bow, figured that I could use it sometimes. Then I won it and everybody laughed and went "wtf dude lol", so that's how I learned to trade :lol

Everything is so fast. Like once, I passed on some pants because I figured I had better ones. But everyone else had figured in a second that I have the worst pants of all and should get them. Don't even know where they saw that.

Now I'm trying to figure out what should be my game routine. Do the solo quests as base gameplay, then one dungeon a day, and PvP arenas every now and then or what?

I landed somehow in Kalimdor, never been here so have to figure out how to get back to Eastern Kingdoms or whether to stay here.

There is no reason to go AddOn crazy when you're still leveling your first WoW character, but you might want to look into some gear comparison AddOn. There's one that, when you hover over a piece of equipment, it will compare its stats to the item you are currently using in that item slot, so you can see it has +100 more armor, -10 stamina, or whatever. It's been a lifesaver for me in dungeons to quickly determine my rolls.

Edit: beaten badly.

Also, are you leveling any professions? If I had ONE thing I could change about my initial WoW run, it would be ignoring professions until I was max level. Should have been leveling them up (and learning to use the AH) as I went along. My secret WoW shame is that I vendored EVERYTHING, including food and all weapon drops, and didn't use the AH until like level 40.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

People in my guild thought i was insane when i had my thousand gold epic mount and krol blade bought before i reached level 60. I was pretty baller, now i'm a disgusting poor.

 

[Gattsu25]

There is no reason to go AddOn crazy when you're still leveling your first WoW character, but you might want to look into some gear comparison AddOn. There's one that, when you hover over a piece of equipment, it will compare its stats to the item you are currently using in that item slot, so you can see it has +100 more armor, -10 stamina, or whatever. It's been a lifesaver for me in dungeons to quickly determine my rolls.

Using the standard UI you can just hold SHIFT and hover over an unequipped item to see the same stat comparisons.

 

[AceBandage]

Using the standard UI you can just hold SHIFT and hover over an unequipped item to see the same state comparisons.

Ratings Buster is much quicker and more indepth than the built in one.

 

[water_wendi]

First time in history these words have ever been uttered about Blackfathom Deeps. :lol

First time i was in BFD it was awesome. This far away distant dungeon. Cool looking scenery. The boss after the final boss. The hidden boss underneath the water.

Come to think of it i actually like BFD more than ones like WC because i havent run it as much and thus havent become completely bored of it.

 

[bill0527]

I'm really sick of dps needing on tank gear, why has this become the norm now? Blizzard should really implement better rules for LFD

And DPS wonder why they have 50 minute queues.

All the pressure in this expansion so far seems to be on the Tank/Healer.

I'd be so pissed if a DPS took tank gear because they were too chicken-shit to queue as their tank spec and actually try to lead the group.

And yes, I said chicken-shit because that's exactly what it is. You could be in a dungeon instantaneously in your tank spec, but you decided to wait in almost an hour queue as a DPS. There's no other reason why other than you were too scared to do it as a tank, then you have the balls to actually take gear from someone who wasn't.

 

[water_wendi]

And DPS wonder why they have 50 minute queues.

All the pressure in this expansion so far seems to be on the Tank/Healer.

I'd be so pissed if a DPS took tank gear because they were too chicken-shit to queue as their tank spec and actually try to lead the group.

Maybe they are trying to gear up their tank spec. You said it yourself.. all the pressure is on the Tank/Healer so if those roles are undergeared its much more detrimental than if DPS is behind the gear curve.

 

[bill0527]

Maybe they are trying to gear up their tank spec. You said it yourself.. all the pressure is on the Tank/Healer so if those roles are undergeared its much more detrimental than if DPS is behind the gear curve.

But don't you think that's a bullshit coward move to do to someone who at least had the sack to queue up as a tank?

There's a massive tank shortage right now. I have 50min-1hr queues on my hunter. My DK tank is instantaneous. That tells me that tanks aren't queue-ing up.

It makes no sense that a person would be willing to wait an hour to get into a dungeon versus instantly getting in, unless they were too scared to try and tank it. People who weren't too scared to do one of the harder roles right now shouldn't be punished for it.

Also: Blizzard should make it so that whatever spec you enter a dungeon with is the gear you should roll on. At least for the first couple of months of the expansion. I'd like to see this implemented in the next expansion. At least let the people who play tanks/healers as their primary be able to get geared over people who play as DPS and will get around to tanking and healing at some point in time in the future.

 

[water_wendi]

But don't you think that's a bullshit coward move to do to someone who at least had the sack to queue up as a tank?

There's a massive tank shortage right now. I have 50min-1hr queues on my hunter. My DK tank is instantaneous. That tells me that tanks aren't queue-ing up.

It makes no sense that a person would be willing to wait an hour to get into a dungeon versus instantly getting in, unless they were too scared to try and tank it. People who weren't too scared to do one of the harder roles right now shouldn't be punished for it.

Maybe they did try it and failed because their tanking set wasnt good enough? Who knows? i dont roll on offspec stuff unless i ask beforehand but its not something to get all up in arms about, imo. Its not like they rolled on gear that they could not use.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Anyone here on Undermine?
Can you do dungeons cross server now? I remember something like that.. If so... anyone want to do Stratholme with me later? I'm a level 46 noobie.

 

[bill0527]

Maybe they did try it and failed because their tanking set wasnt good enough? Who knows? i dont roll on offspec stuff unless i ask beforehand but its not something to get all up in arms about, imo. Its not like they rolled on gear that they could not use.

Everyone is just about the same on gear right now. We're all at the very first Tier of gear. We're all starting at the same base line. This expansion is not even two weeks old. You don't have a huge disparity in gear right now between players like you do when an expansion gets to be 1-2 years old.

So saying that your tanking set isn't good enough right now, just doesn't hold any water because the person who is tanking the dungeon is in the exact same boat.

 

[Chittagong]

Also, are you leveling any professions? If I had ONE thing I could change about my initial WoW run, it would be ignoring professions until I was max level. Should have been leveling them up (and learning to use the AH) as I went along. My secret WoW shame is that I vendored EVERYTHING, including food and all weapon drops, and didn't use the AH until like level 40.

I've got mining and chemistry I think. Mining I can't do anything with because all the rocks I see now require mining level 65 or something, and mine is around 25. Should have probably done it earlier...

I have also done some bandages but haven't found them really very helpful, buying an occasional mega potion seems to be more useful. Maybe I'm not getting the idea of it.

 

[charlequin]

I've got mining and chemistry I think. Mining I can't do anything with because all the rocks I see now require mining level 65 or something, and mine is around 25. Should have probably done it earlier...

Take the time to go back to earlier areas and level it up. You'll have to do it eventually, so you'll save yourself some time to take care of it now so you can start actually mining the nodes you see as you see them.

You also probably want to line up your professions with one another. If you're doing alchemy, you'll really want to switch mining for herbalism so you can actually get the materials needed to level it up. Alternately, if you're doing mining you'll want to pair that with blacksmithing or jewelcrafting so the stuff you mine can actually be used for something. (Or if you don't want to worry about producing, switch to two of the gathering professions -- herbalism, mining, and skinning -- and just sell all your stuff on the Auction House to make shitloads of money.)

 

[Brandon F]

Anyone here on Undermine?
Can you do dungeons cross server now? I remember something like that.. If so... anyone want to do Stratholme with me later? I'm a level 46 noobie.

The dungeon finder finds random people across servers now to party up for dungeons. Use the finder and select Stratholme and it will pool a random public group for you to do that dungeon. You can't actually elect to do dungeons with people outside your own server.

 

[Lain]

Ratings Buster is much quicker and more indepth than the built in one.

Did it get fixed? Since Cata hit it hasn't worked right with haste rating for me, ignoring it completely most of the time.

 

[GDJustin]

I've got mining and chemistry I think. Mining I can't do anything with because all the rocks I see now require mining level 65 or something, and mine is around 25. Should have probably done it earlier...

I have also done some bandages but haven't found them really very helpful, buying an occasional mega potion seems to be more useful. Maybe I'm not getting the idea of it.

I would go back to some earlier zones and level-up your mining. The idea is that it's progress will run parallel to your character's progress - every new zone has new elements to mine, but requires a slightly higher mining level. So if you do it as you go along, you won't have to go back and be a high level running around these low-level zones looking for mining nodes.

WoW players can have two primary professions, and it is generally best to pick complimentary ones. So if you have mining for example, it makes the most sense to pick a crafting skill that will allow you to craft gear using the minerals you mined. Like Blacksmithing, or Jewel Crafting.

The First Aid you described is a secondary profession, along with Cooking, Fishing, and Archeology. Everyone can train all of these - you don't need to pick. But again, the idea is that you'll be making things easier on yourself if you do it as you go along. Low-level bandages aren't super useful, but you don't have anything else to do with the Linen/Wool cloth you're gathering. So if you use it up on First Aid now, you won't have to buy it at auction to level the skill later.

 

[Oracle Dragon]

Everyone is just about the same on gear right now. We're all at the very first Tier of gear. We're all starting at the same base line. This expansion is not even two weeks old. You don't have a huge disparity in gear right now between players like you do when an expansion gets to be 1-2 years old.

So saying that your tanking set isn't good enough right now, just doesn't hold any water because the person who is tanking the dungeon is in the exact same boat.

This is very, very true, and I have been burned by this many times. I love tanking, bear, warrior, DK, working on a paladin now. However, right now other than a shield for warr/pally or perhaps a few +dodge pieces, there really is no "tanking" gear. It's pretty much the same stuff the DPS uses, and reforging has blurred even some of those lines. Not that I condone that... I was in a Blackrock group this morning and the pally tank went ballistic when the pally healer need rolled (and won) the tank shield. Hey, at least he was healing and not just DPS

I got to feel the burn twice as long as you guys though on my bear... I've been losing gear to rogues and hunters since they dropped defense on leather and hunters to use staffs... and lord help you if you wanted a trinket

 

[KibblesBits]

I always feel scared when I use dungeon finder and get a DK as tank. *sigh*

Enough about that though:

HAPPY WINTERVEIL!

 

[Log4Girlz]

First time in history these words have ever been uttered about Blackfathom Deeps. :lol



Basically how I always did it. In the old days the 50-60 content was super sparse on the ground (and concentrated mostly in horrible zones) so everyone I knew switched to running instances as much as possible to get over the hump, but I get the impression that these days the 50-60 zones are actually pretty cool.



The last time I was subbed was right before Burning Crusade. When I reactivated I had an herb bag filled with stacks of stuff that used to go for maybe 1-5g a stack, and I've sold all of it for 50-100g a stack in a day. At the same time, the epic world drop staff my 45 shaman was wearing has also gone up 10x in price since I bought it.

Wtf that was eons ago.

 

[charlequin]

Wtf that was eons ago.

That's what I said!

 

[dimb]

I always feel scared when I use dungeon finder and get a DK as tank. *sigh*

Enough about that though:

HAPPY WINTERVEIL!
http://i55.tinypic.com/1zgq4a9.jpg

Two girls kissing.

Niiiiiiiiiiice.

 

[tea_and_crumpets]

Ok so rather than making a new thread I thought I'd try my luck in this thread first.

Basically I stopped playing WoW right at the end of the TBC, just a few weeks before WOTLK came out. I just started playing again yesterday (havent got Cat yet), but already I feel overwhelmed, my guild have kicked me so I have no one to ask about basic things and I thought I might as well start here.

I have 2500g (which isnt a lot I know) - there's all this glyph stuff, you can keep 2 specs at once, and im sure I'll need to shell out for new mounts/training etc - so what do I need to get and where can I buy it all? What should I prioritise?

I used to roll as a Holy Pally, seems like the class has completely changed - can someone tell me how they play now? Also how does Ret work out as a spec to level with?

What are the major changes that have taken place since I left the game - what do I need to know?

Also am I best just burning through the current material gaining cash + xp? Im not going to have to do any specific quests to get some annoying dungeon key or have to spend ages earning honour with some faction in order to have access to most things? I just want to get up to 80 and see if I get back into things and then decide if I want to keep playing.

Also my characters in Shatt atm, all the portals to Ironforge, stormwind etc have been removed (so it seems)... how do I get back to the mainland? Do I have to trek back to the portal?

 

[aktham]

Ok so rather than making a new thread I thought I'd try my luck in this thread first.

Basically I stopped playing WoW right at the end of the TBC, just a few weeks before WOTLK came out. I just started playing again yesterday (havent got Cat yet), but already I feel overwhelmed, my guild have kicked me so I have no one to ask about basic things and I thought I might as well start here.

I have 2500g (which isnt a lot I know) - there's all this glyph stuff, you can keep 2 specs at once, and im sure I'll need to shell out for new mounts/training etc - so what do I need to get and where can I buy it all? What should I prioritise?

I used to roll as a Holy Pally, seems like the class has completely changed - can someone tell me how they play now? Also how does Ret work out as a spec to level with?

What are the major changes that have taken place since I left the game - what do I need to know?

Also am I best just burning through the current material gaining cash + xp? Im not going to have to do any specific quests to get some annoying dungeon key or have to spend ages earning honour with some faction in order to have access to most things? I just want to get up to 80 and see if I get back into things and then decide if I want to keep playing.

Also my characters in Shatt atm, all the portals to Ironforge, stormwind etc have been removed (so it seems)... how do I get back to the mainland? Do I have to trek back to the portal?

1. Buy a portal from shat, spam trade (5g)
2. Go to Org/SW
3. Fly or sail to Northrend and start questing
4. Talents have changed, there's no "wrong" or faster leveling build (depending on spec)
5. I wouldn't worry too much about glyphs now, but you basically them once now, and use a powder to remove them.
6. Once you reach 80 you can determine if you want to keep going. At least in cata there are a lot more kill quests then going back and forth. It's always "go to help this guy, guy tells you to kill x amount of whatever and then sends you to another guy etc".

 

[Brofist]

Ok so rather than making a new thread I thought I'd try my luck in this thread first.

Basically I stopped playing WoW right at the end of the TBC, just a few weeks before WOTLK came out. I just started playing again yesterday (havent got Cat yet), but already I feel overwhelmed, my guild have kicked me so I have no one to ask about basic things and I thought I might as well start here.

I have 2500g (which isnt a lot I know) - there's all this glyph stuff, you can keep 2 specs at once, and im sure I'll need to shell out for new mounts/training etc - so what do I need to get and where can I buy it all? What should I prioritise?

I used to roll as a Holy Pally, seems like the class has completely changed - can someone tell me how they play now? Also how does Ret work out as a spec to level with?

What are the major changes that have taken place since I left the game - what do I need to know?

Also am I best just burning through the current material gaining cash + xp? Im not going to have to do any specific quests to get some annoying dungeon key or have to spend ages earning honour with some faction in order to have access to most things? I just want to get up to 80 and see if I get back into things and then decide if I want to keep playing.

Also my characters in Shatt atm, all the portals to Ironforge, stormwind etc have been removed (so it seems)... how do I get back to the mainland? Do I have to trek back to the portal?

I went from BC to Cata as well. Basically I blew through Northrend doing solo quests and got myself up to speed in no time. Once I hit 80 I got right into LK heroics and Cata normals.

Yeah no portals. You either tip a mage for one or "slowboat" it. Artisan riding is much more worth the gold now though

 

[Twig]

Yeah you'll have to either buy a mage portal or fly back to the Dark Portal to get to Azeroth. It's dumb, but that's what they decided to do so yeah.

Glyphs are basically skill modifiers. Unnecessary while you're leveling, but just another way to customize your character.

I'd recommend just going straight to Northrend and not worrying about mounts and all that. I assume you already have a flying mount? Maybe even epic flying? As long as you have flying period, you'll be fine, but epic flying sure does speed things up!.

 

[hamchan]

I always feel scared when I use dungeon finder and get a DK as tank. *sigh*

What's so bad about us DK tanks?

 

[tea_and_crumpets]

Yeah you'll have to either buy a mage portal or fly back to the Dark Portal to get to Azeroth. It's dumb, but that's what they decided to do so yeah.

Glyphs are basically skill modifiers. Unnecessary while you're leveling, but just another way to customize your character.

I'd recommend just going straight to Northrend and not worrying about mounts and all that. I assume you already have a flying mount? Maybe even epic flying? As long as you have flying period, you'll be fine, but epic flying sure does speed things up!.

Netherwing Drake bitches! Yer, I'm proud to say I cleared all the BC content and am pretty much exalted with all the factions, so Im tooled up as far as that goes (still got 4 peices of T6 as a memento!)

So off to Northrend it is then. Am I good to level as a Holy Spec?

 

[FleckSplat]

Just jumping in again after three years, fully to Cataclysm. Anyone recommend a server for a new Goblin player?

EDIT: NM, I went with Area 52 as a Goblin.

 

[Chittagong]

Do rocks with metals respawn to areas I've visited earlier? I'm leveling up my mining, need to get to 75, it's currently 52 and I'm running out of low level rocks around me.

 

[AceBandage]

Do rocks with metals respawn to areas I've visited earlier? I'm leveling up my mining, need to get to 75, it's currently 52 and I'm running out of low level rocks around me.

They have set respawn locations, though, it is random when they will spawn there.
Just keep "Track Minerals" up on your minimap and you should see them around.

 

[yanhero]

But don't you think that's a bullshit coward move to do to someone who at least had the sack to queue up as a tank?

There's a massive tank shortage right now. I have 50min-1hr queues on my hunter. My DK tank is instantaneous. That tells me that tanks aren't queue-ing up.

DPS waiting a long queue does not mean tanks aernt queuing up. The fact is that theres more dps specs/classes(22/10) than tank specs/classes (4/4).

It makes no sense that a person would be willing to wait an hour to get into a dungeon versus instantly getting in, unless they were too scared to try and tank it. People who weren't too scared to do one of the harder roles right now shouldn't be punished for it.

Maybe they don't have any tank gear, or dislike playing tank? It's so small minded of you to think every class that has a tank spec should play tank.

Also: Blizzard should make it so that whatever spec you enter a dungeon with is the gear you should roll on. At least for the first couple of months of the expansion. I'd like to see this implemented in the next expansion. At least let the people who play tanks/healers as their primary be able to get geared over people who play as DPS and will get around to tanking and healing at some point in time in the future.

If Blizzard did that, then it would be very difficult for someone to change specs. If I was a paladin in ret/holy, and only had ret/holy gear. My only option for tank gear would be buying off AH.

I don't think theres a solution that would work for everyone. People complain that dps is rolling on tank gear, but then they also complain about tanks wearing dps gear. If a dps warrior roll on tank gear, they get yelled at, but if they wear their dps gear and queue as tank, they get yelled at too.

 

[Bisnic]

The Maelstrom is so cool, too bad we only go there like twice in the whole game.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

God this game looks fucking incredible.
I play on all low, with draw distance at ultra and its still awesome.

 

[I'm an expert]

So currently 84..here are some random thoughts..

Hyjal is awful. By awful I mean entirely forgettable. I finished every quest there and I thought to myself..what just happened. I guess it's not the zone, it's the new Cata quest layout. Every quest interconnected is convenient, but incredibly boring and easy. There was never anything above kill 10 or collect 10, which is fine, but there also wasn't any sense of exploration. In classic days you'd run around the map randomly and find NPCs here, there, in buildings, behind rocks, and this was before the little ! was on your map. You might never find every quest if you didn't look everywhere. Now though, there's no sense of bumping into a mini quest line or escort in the middle of nowhere. It's just follow the lines and connect the dots.

Vashjr is..offputting. I have terrible memories of underwater quests over the years so I steered clear of that.

Deepholm is wonderful, but suffers from the same do 5 quests for this guy so he can send you to the next guy. If anything the blue rewards are appreciated.

The dungeons however. Yes. Yes please. Taking your time? Marking enemies? CC? Yes, yes, yes!

 

[davepoobond]

So currently 84..here are some random thoughts..

In classic days you'd run around the map randomly and find NPCs here, there, in buildings, behind rocks, and this was before the little ! was on your map. You might never find every quest if you didn't look everywhere. Now though, there's no sense of bumping into a mini quest line or escort in the middle of nowhere. It's just follow the lines and connect the dots.

welcome to how most games are and should be designed these days. Wandering around not knowing where to go is terribly frustrating and i am glad to be (mostly) rid of that in wow. a concentrated and directed path to playing a game is NOT A BAD THING especially in a game as huge as wow.

i already have a lot of trouble as it is with the in game quest helper, honestly. I am terrible at finding things.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Hyjal is awful. By awful I mean entirely forgettable. I finished every quest there and I thought to myself..what just happened. I guess it's not the zone, it's the new Cata quest layout. Every quest interconnected is convenient, but incredibly boring and easy. There was never anything above kill 10 or collect 10, which is fine, but there also wasn't any sense of exploration. In classic days you'd run around the map randomly and find NPCs here, there, in buildings, behind rocks, and this was before the little ! was on your map. You might never find every quest if you didn't look everywhere. Now though, there's no sense of bumping into a mini quest line or escort in the middle of nowhere. It's just follow the lines and connect the dots.

Lets face it we all have flying mounts with 280-310% speed. The days of just randomly bumping into quests is gone. You can search the map so fast that you find everything in no time.

To me the sort of exploration i enjoy now is just finding a great spot. There are some real beautiful spots, on top of mountains, inside caves, deep in ocean crevices. Sometimes i'll see something something and all i can say is wow.

I can see what your saying and in some ways i miss that but i can't see it really being brought back.

The way things are now is very convenient and i really enjoyed the leveling experience.

My biggest problem is the difficulty. The make the quests so damn easy that you could do even the hardest ones in your sleep. Then when you reach 85 you are thrown into really hard dungeons. For those of us who know what were doing thats fine but i think this is leading to a lot of problems for unexperienced players.

Vashjr is..offputting. I have terrible memories of underwater quests over the years so I steered clear of that.

I though i would hate vashyjr but i quite enjoyed it. The underwater mount and the extra speed underwater certainly helped.

The dungeons however. Yes. Yes please. Taking your time? Marking enemies? CC? Yes, yes, yes!

I agree here 100%.

 

[Bisnic]

Speaking of exploration, i did some recently. I went to Feralas to look at that island that sinked to the bottom of the sea. It sure felt weird to see such a big island underwater. Was cool.

Also, there is some lake impossible to reach (except with a flying mount) north of Feralas. Some destroyed mage tower in the middle of the lake with a bunch of npcs.

And there is some steam swamps in the mountains between Silithus & Feralas. Empty of npcs, but a nice find.

And there is the mysterious ring of glowing mushrooms west of Deathknell in the mountains of Tirisfal, again only reachable with flying mounts. I posted a pic sooner, dont remember if it was this thread or the other one in the Community forums.

Just east of Stormwind, there is a small house with a gnome inside, and lots of sheeps right outside. One of them is a robot and if you attack it, it explodes and send you in the air. The gnome isn't really happy when you do that though. :lol

 

[bill0527]

Maybe they don't have any tank gear, or dislike playing tank? It's so small minded of you to think every class that has a tank spec should play tank.

If they dislike playing a tank, then why the hell roll on tank gear? Just because they can? That's a dick move.

Not having any tank gear is no excuse either because NOBODY has any gear at this point. As I said, everyone is at the same base line on gear right now. Most people are in that ilevel 333-346 range. There is no huge gear disparity at this point because everyone is about the same. All you're doing at this point in the game is taking gear away from a tank who CHOSE to play a tank, when you DID NOT choose to play a tank, at least for that particular dungeon run.

If Blizzard did that, then it would be very difficult for someone to change specs. If I was a paladin in ret/holy, and only had ret/holy gear. My only option for tank gear would be buying off AH.

How about option 3. Play as a tank, and get yourself tank gear because it would be locked out from other specs at least until the next tier of gear is released.

I don't think theres a solution that would work for everyone. People complain that dps is rolling on tank gear, but then they also complain about tanks wearing dps gear. If a dps warrior roll on tank gear, they get yelled at, but if they wear their dps gear and queue as tank, they get yelled at too.

There is a great option that would work for everyone. Whatever you enter the dungeon as, is what you can roll 'need' on for the dungeon run. Everything else is greed or D/E. Blizzard has already coded it so that plate wearers can't roll Need on cloth, leather, etc., so it wouldn't be hard to implement.

It should also work the other way around. If you enter the dungeon as a tank spec, you cannot roll Need if there is a plate DPS in the group and plate DPS drops.

Note - this only applies to NEED rolls. You can still greed roll on stuff you can use for off-spec, but this way you're not taking gear away from someone's primary spec that they're playing as, for that dungeon run.

I don't expect this will be changed though, at least not for this expansion. Blizzard seems content to let the community tear each other's throats out on the message boards. Their only suggestion is to have everybody roll for everything, and then go reforge it into a stat you might find usefull.

 

[MrPing1000]

Did Grim Batol on heroic for the first time last night.

Was like pulling teeth. Took 3.45hours and by the end I was the only person in the party that had killed every boss. Me and a dps pally were the only 2 that started before the last boss.

Last boss took nearly 2 hours.

Tbh I would like them to up the gear requirement slight for heroics. I'm tanking, so it's been ok, but now and then I came across some terribly geared DPS.

having said that, overall I've enjoyed every heroic I've completed so far. The level design of deadmines and Shadowfang demonstrates how far Blzzard have come, but the encounters definately make up for it.

Deadmines is worth all the hard trash mobs solely for Ms. VanCleef

 

[Pride]

I quit playing WOW about 90 days after WotLK came out but wanted to jump back in for Cat. I know my wife is getting it for me for Xmas (saw the GameStop box in the mail) so I wanted to get prepared and try to log back into my old account. Well, as you could probably guess my account was hacked and banned so I've spent the last week having it recovered. Finally got to log back in today but was disappointed to find my main character deleted but my twink intact.

Anyway, I think I will be playing a goblin but not sure what server to start on. I want a well balanced pvp server if anyone has any suggestions.

 

[NameGenerated]

Wow, i just had the best pug ever. Heroic Grim Batol.

One-shot the first boss, wiped once on the second, and one-shot the last boss. The third one gave us some trouble because we kept eating a lot of the breaths, but it could have been much worse. Everything clicked, it was like we were all in the same guild or something. :lol

 

[bill0527]

I quit playing WOW about 90 days after WotLK came out but wanted to jump back in for Cat. I know my wife is getting it for me for Xmas (saw the GameStop box in the mail) so I wanted to get prepared and try to log back into my old account. Well, as you could probably guess my account was hacked and banned so I've spent the last week having it recovered. Finally got to log back in today but was disappointed to find my main character deleted but my twink intact.

Anyway, I think I will be playing a goblin but not sure what server to start on. I want a well balanced pvp server if anyone has any suggestions.

Pretty sure the well balanced PvP servers are all full. Only thing you ever hear at the official forums about PvP servers are the ones that are very imbalanced, and that's from the faction that's completely outnumbered. Its hard, even impossible in some cases to do a lot of the solo questing Cata content, if the larger faction doesn't want you to do it.

The expansion pigeonholes both factions into the same areas and they aren't all spread out like they were in Wrath.

 

[Dina]

The last HC Grim Batol boss is tied with the third as being the easiest of the instance, imo.

 

[TheYanger]

The notion that DPS has no responsibility in 5 mans is one that is going to slowly change. DPS make thigns harder for the tank and the healer when they don't play well. good dps can almost carry a group as easily as a good healer or tank can when played well.

 

[KibblesBits]

What's so bad about us DK tanks?

It's the ones that don't know what they are doing that are fucking annoying. I've twinked out and when I queue for a dungeon I almost always get a DK tank that does not know how to:

A. Hold Aggro
B. Get Back Aggro
C. Wait for the blue bars to be full before a pull
D. Grab less than 6+ mobs
E. Get into fricking Blood Mode
F. Listen to directions
G. Be Nice
H. NOT FACEROLL

It sucks when the holy paladin has to tank and heal and that's usually what happens. Hell just tonight I wound up 3manning The Mechanar. The fucking Mech! All because a DK was so stupid he couldn't do basic things, like wait for a pat to pass, or pull a boss without random adds, or loot both the blue and red crystals. RAAAAAAAAAAGE.

I wish DKs would all just queue for Wrath dungeons and leave the better players alone. I'd rather have no tank than bad tank.

And that's not saying all DK are like that. I had a run with a DK in Underbog who was fantastic, amazing. Superb. But in my experience the majority do behave that way.

 

[Chris R]

Made my first trip to Southern Kalimdor today on my alliance paladin. Couldn't find a boat from SW so I had to take the BB->Ratchet boat. Hoofed it through the Barrens (zone looks nice!) and then ran into the bull shit know as Thousand Needles. WTF was Blizzard thinking? I ended up spending 20+ minuets swimming around because the whole zone is under water and then when I got to the barge, the flight point wasn't even connected with any of the previous zones I had hit up :lol

New Tanaris looks cool though, can't wait to come back with a flying mount and check it out. Been almost 100% positive experiences with the new stuff so far, other than not having a boat to Thearmore from SW and destruction and trans-shittifying of Thousand Needles.

 

[KibblesBits]

Made my first trip to Southern Kalimdor today on my alliance paladin. Couldn't find a boat from SW so I had to take the BB->Ratchet boat. Hoofed it through the Barrens (zone looks nice!) and then ran into the bull shit know as Thousand Needles. WTF was Blizzard thinking? I ended up spending 20+ minuets swimming around because the whole zone is under water and then when I got to the barge, the flight point wasn't even connected with any of the previous zones I had hit up :lol

New Tanaris looks cool though, can't wait to come back with a flying mount and check it out. Been almost 100% positive experiences with the new stuff so far, other than not having a boat to Thearmore from SW and destruction and trans-shittifying of Thousand Needles.

Once you get your boat 1kneedles is tolerable to fun.