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WoW Cataclysm Expansion speculation
- Thread starter maniac-kun
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bill0527 said:
Some guy came out and said him and a group of people created all the Info. They had a huge FTP full of fake material. They made it look as real as possible, they talked to the guy who runs mmo-champion on the phone and convinced him it was real etc.. Here is one of the posts
My only debate with that, are the people who attempt to troll huge communities like that, don't just break down and tell everyone the truth randomly on a message board. It seems logical they would wait until Blizzcon and laugh in everyones face. I don't think anyone would waste their life creating all this fake information, just to tell everyone it was fake before they could get their laugh out of it.
That person would be a bigger idiot then the guy who runs MMO-champion and posted the info.
maniac-kun
Member
could be a troll post just wait until blizzcon and we see who is right ^^Trax416 said:
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Why make this into an expansion then? What about people with just vanilla WoW? i dont know.. sounds funny. Wait and see i guess.crimsonheadGCN said:
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
On the wow website http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/map.html Blizzard has removed the link to the Azeroth map :lol
crimsonheadGCN
Banned
Cindres said:
Yeah. Plus wasn't 4chan created by disgruntled member of SA?
maniac-kun
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ZombieSupaStar
Member
Xabora said:
:lol
er i mean....
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Or lack of money if a vanilla WoW account can experience the new content without buying the xpac.Kintaro said:
maniac-kun
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in dalaran you get teleported away if you try to enter the other fractions zones so they just have this invisible walls that teleport players without expansion back and they cant enter the high level zones
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Well thats what im saying. If all of Azeroths zones and questlines are going to be changed to reflect this redefining event, people with the vanilla account will still be able to take part in it. Sure the new races would be off-limits, but all of this new content, the lure that will draw back in old players to experience 1-60 all over again like a virgin, is there for everyone.Kintaro said:
Jet Grind Radio!
Banned
That's one of the reasons I hate working on my Rogue. She's level 10 and I just don't like drudging through 1-60.
Ether_Snake
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The idea is that by revamping the old zones:
1- They create interest for people who never played WoW by not feeling like anything before Cataclysm is old shit that you'll want to go over quickly.
2- They create interest for people who left WoW, since they will want to see what changed.
3- They also create more interest for players who want to start from scratch all over again, to experience what has changed.
The problem I see is that it would make no sense for someone to play through the "old" story of the game, when the world is obviously in Cataclysm-state, go to Outland, go to Northrend, and then come back to the actual "up to date" story.
Unless you only access Cataclysm if you have BC/WotLK (almost certain). Basically, a new server for Cataclysm. If you have the expansion you can start outright in Cataclysm. Otherwise it's still old Azeroth.
1- They create interest for people who never played WoW by not feeling like anything before Cataclysm is old shit that you'll want to go over quickly.
2- They create interest for people who left WoW, since they will want to see what changed.
3- They also create more interest for players who want to start from scratch all over again, to experience what has changed.
The problem I see is that it would make no sense for someone to play through the "old" story of the game, when the world is obviously in Cataclysm-state, go to Outland, go to Northrend, and then come back to the actual "up to date" story.
Unless you only access Cataclysm if you have BC/WotLK (almost certain). Basically, a new server for Cataclysm. If you have the expansion you can start outright in Cataclysm. Otherwise it's still old Azeroth.
And what of the 80-85 content? You're just going to level up through Wrath content and quit? Even if you weren't that interested in raiding, that's missing out on a lot of stuff, and it would certainly continue the story from the 1-60 content. If I was a player, just that would get me to buy the expansion.
Freyjadour
Member
Tamanon said:
Not really taking this story seriously at this point. I have more faith in Boub than to think that the SA leak was all he was basing his information on. Even if the whole Thrall, Cairne, and Garrosh stuff isn't necessarily real, I'd say the rest is 99% going to be confirmed next week at Blizzcon.
Oh yeah, I'm also Miyamoto and the next Wii Zelda game will be steampunk.
So how much of the information we have actually is reliable? Any of it? Or was the whole thing a fake right down to the name Cataclysm? Sucks if the Azeroth revamp was a lie, that was a really good idea that definitely would have gotten me to resub for a while... I guess it's still possible that this guy is bullshitting about a real leak.
Zek said:
Nothing's been confirmed period. The MMO-Champion info is reliable though, considering the huge number of rumors they get all the time from folks purported to be insiders it takes more than someone claiming to be with Blizzard to make their front page.
Plus, the given reason of competing with Aion makes no sense, considering Blizzcon still comes out almost a month before Aion, so they wouldn't have to leak it anyways.:lol
There's no way Boubouille would have posted all that info based solely on people at SA claiming to be insiders. Until he messes up once, I'll still believe him. I feel almost 100% positive Cataclysm will be announced in a week and it will be, largely, what the info we have says it is.
SA only added a few extra information on lore, some of it already confirmed by changes made to the game in 3.2.2. I also had to wake up someone at 04:00AM to make sure I wasn't saying anything stupid.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=93592.msg1298090#msg1298090
Freyjadour said:
Well, he updated in two parts. He posted a bunch of information list-style first. This information he was absolutely convinced was legit. Then he reposted the information from SA, which he said was unconfirmed. After that, he apparently attempted to confirm it with the SA poster, was satisfied, and incorporated the new data into his originall post.
I'm not 100% sure what to believe at this point. Some (or all) of the information Boubouille has posted could still be wrong, but I don't have any faith in these "hoaxers" that are coming forward all of a sudden. They sound like people who want their 15 minutes of fame while they can get it. At the very least, they're probably hoping for some cheap lulz.
I believe Boubouille already knows people within Blizzard. I'd like to think he wouldn't simply listen to just anybody claiming they were from the company, especially if he's never heard of them before. He's never struck me as someone that foolish, but then again, there's a first time for everything.
But let's be clear, all the information posted on MMO-Champion so far comes from two different sources. A lot of the "feature" stuff is from an unrevealed source, while the SA post mostly discussed lore.
Likewise, the SA information was not originally targeted for release on MMO-Champion. It was discovered, and then reposted, by Boubouille. Only after talking directly with the original poster afterwards did he decided to integrate the data.
Lostconfused
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Well for one Cataclysm was registered as an official trade mark by blizzard.Zek said:
RubberJohnny
Banned
Boubouille is a Something Awful member and has been since July 2007. If he wanted to play along he could.
RubberJohnny
Banned
I'm just keeping the 'Goons made the whole thing up' facade running.
DimmuBurgerKing
Member
Xabora said:WoW: Cataclysm Now with more Kefka (With Boobs too)!
:lol First thing I thought of, too. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a hoax, because there are some really good ideas in there, drastic lore changes aside.
On Blood Elves getting Warrior: who else thinks that some of the Blood Knights are about to lose their stolen powers? Given the revelations about M'uru in the Sunwell Plateau event and Lady Liadrin's redemption, I think it's been a long time coming for non-Light-aligned Blood Knights. As a story device it makes sense as a way to introduce a new non-caster class to the race, at least to me.
Interfectum
Member
Ether_Snake said:
Eh, I don't think you understand... if they update for everyone that's 1-85, then they will update a lot of the old quests to reflect the new story.
Think of it as "Dustwallow Marsh" overhaul but on a much bigger scale. Even if you have 'vanilla wow' you'll still get all the new 1-60 content you just won't be able to go past 60 (thus into outlands, northrand and access to 80-85 quests/instances in the old world).
Keep in mind, if they do add flying mounts to the old world, I'm sure there are places that you won't be able to go unless you have a flying mount.
Freyjadour
Member
Belfast said:
Didn't make myself clear enough looking back, but I know that it was two sources. I was following the updates to that post very carefully. At this point, if the SA additions weren't true I'd be surprised. Add to that the fact that trolls rarely come forward about things such as this (especially not BEFORE it would be confirmed or denied officially). I think if the general WoW public was talking about a giant hoax, Blizzard would do some sort of commenting on it.
Also, just to be clear on Tauren Priests and Lore: Elune = Mu'sha. Taurens worship Elune directly as a part of the Earthmother. I've just seen FAR too many people saying "lore lol" to this particular part and it's starting to get on my nerves.
A lot of the new race/class combinations have lore backing them up. The dwarf shamans can be wildhammer dwarves. The night elf mages are highborne. For troll druids just look at any of the many troll themed raids and dungeons, they all have bosses who turn into animals. Human and undead hunters have Nathanos.
maniac-kun
Member
The rise of Garrosh:
Garrosh is the Son of Thralls Brother Grom Hellscream who was Warchief before Thrall
before the events of wrath of the lichking when the scourge attacked azeroth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA6DvBvUQPk
Son of Thralls Right Hand dies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrMa_sU1Nnk&feature=fvst
Events before Ulduar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjb0EaC80W0&feature=fvw
At the Colluseum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i070qRYq0tQ
so at least this part that garrosh will become warchief is highly possible
Garrosh is the Son of Thralls Brother Grom Hellscream who was Warchief before Thrall
before the events of wrath of the lichking when the scourge attacked azeroth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA6DvBvUQPk
Son of Thralls Right Hand dies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrMa_sU1Nnk&feature=fvst
Events before Ulduar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjb0EaC80W0&feature=fvw
At the Colluseum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i070qRYq0tQ
so at least this part that garrosh will become warchief is highly possible
ZombieSupaStar
Member
maniac-kun said:
kinda ot is there anywhere that can give sort of a "WoW lore/storyline for dummies" with the raid lore (if there is any) and main quest lore, Ive always wanted almost like a visual encyclopedia of WoW story like almost literally down to this quest npc is this person related to this person and does this etc etc, I know of WoW Wiki but im looking for something with an almost unhealthy obsession to the "details" all wrapped up in a nice interface. lol
VGChampion
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ZombieSupaStar said:
Well, it's not WoW technically but Blizzard has a big lore section that involves everything up to World of Warcraft. After that, I've always pieced it together based on various sites like WoW Wiki, Lore topics on Elitist Jerks, etc...
Oh, and it requires more work but the "Well Read" achievement has a ton of lore in it if you actually read the books.
StormyTheRabbit
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IcedTea said:
Agreed. WHen I'm bored, I just look up random articles and read 'em. Even though people give Blizz shit about their lore when regarding WoW, they really have an awesome universe.
Now that I think about it, if you want to get started with WoW lore, the best place to start would be to just play through Warcraft 3. Obviously WoW is much more expansive as far as the lore goes, but a large chunk of the characters and events happening in WoW tie into Warcraft 3's storyline.
Freyjadour said:
The fact of the matter is that lore doesn't matter as much as it used to where Cataclysm is concerned. Wrath is wrapping up what Warcraft 3 started, which means this is the first time in awhile that Azeroth is collectively moving *forward* in the storyline.
As far as I'm concerned, that means all bets are off. Extreme circumstances call for extreme changes. A lot of these things can already be justified with the existing lore, while the rest can be explained by the new threats being faced. And even if they don't, well, sometimes gameplay choices just aren't going to jive with the story. We all know that, so what's the use in complaining?
Awesome Animals
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IcedTea said:
Agreed, WowWiki is awesome.