vaibhavpisal
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Sony will be beholden to them till they make these games.
If Sony really want to win, they will have to start producing Call of Duty alternatives out of its own studios.
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Xbox FY25 Q1 Gaming revenue up 43% up year-over-year; Hardware declined 29%
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If Sony really want to win, they will have to start producing Call of Duty alternatives out of its own studios.
HeWhoWalks
Member
Sony has already won. There’s no longer a hardware competition.
As for software, Microsoft bought out a pub with lots of properties. Only CoD has produced anything serious and it’s on Sony’s platform (selling more than it ever has on Microsoft’s).
Why do they need an alternative?
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
And you're just going to ignore Microsoft making games exclusive after the Bethesda acquisition?
They're only changing now because they need more revenue. Those games would be exclusive if they were selling 60M consoles. lol
Team Andromeda
Member
Look, Troll... Xbox is making money and lots of it. Just accept it
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Just like Nintendo. They have no competition in their sector, thus their prices remain in the profitable scale and their games almost never get a discount.
Mr Moose
Member
They've already won, but yes that's why they are going all in on the GaaS shite. They need one or two GaaS hits just in case after the 10 years are up MS stop making CoD available on PS (though that's looking unlikely with baldy calling the shots now and not Phil).
HeWhoWalks
Member
I own both and disagree (especially on silence since my PS5 is quiet), but that wasn’t the reason for my question since that’s preferential.
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Kvally
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HeWhoWalks
Member
To make money, particularly lots of it, one has to profit.
The revenue is good, however.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Sony don’t control their destiny and depend on xbox to drive revenue on their platform.
Thats some “victory”. More like a truce with unfavourable conditions.
HeWhoWalks
Member
That is hysterical, but no. This wasn’t some Kumbaya truce. Microsoft turned to PlayStation due to their platform’s failure….. caused almost entirely by them [Microsoft].
You really think if the Series consoles were in better shape any of those games would have hit PS5?
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Topher
Identifies as young
Phil Spencer already admitted they lost the console war last year my man.
Unknown?
Member
So was Nintendo with Wii U. I think reality broke you.
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mayham2199
Member
I did sub to GP on my PC but I ended up canceling it. It was fun initially but once I got through the initial titles I wanted to play there was nothing else. We can ignore the internet and everyone else but I think the market itself has spoken.
vaibhavpisal
Member
What MS owns now … is equivalent to nuclear warheads.
They don’t use it for good of mankind.
Hats off to them for showing restraint and deciding to cooperate.
Topher
Identifies as young
Eh.....that works both ways. PlayStation needs third party publishers like Microsoft. Third party publishers like Microsoft need PlayStation. In terms of "nuclear warheads", the alternative to cooperation is mutually assured destruction.
Either way, none of that has anything to do with Xbox consoles. If we are going to talk about who is "winning" then talk about it in terms of where the two are actually competing.
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noob smokes
Neo Member
Everything is pointing towards ms full embracing their 3rd party publisher future the money making possibilities are endless
noob smokes
Neo Member
U dudes take this console wars shit way too serious actin like phils in a nuclear sub in the pacific ocean planning to drop a nuke on sony hq
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They're financially obligated to, otherwise the board of directors would rain legal and criminal action down upon them. Intentionally sabotaging and losing money in a gamble to go scorched earth. That is not how sound business works.
You ruin all your relationships with other partners.
You get more oversight from governments on your backs, more restrictions and the potential to be broken up.
You lose the perception in the public eye.
You also lose your company and brand money, as well as partners money which has a detrimental effect on job loss, less tax revenue which invites everything mentioned above.
I really do hope you're just clever trolling, then well played and I can respect that.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Xbox revenue numbers were basically saved by Activision which is where all this revenue is coming from.
Sony depends on many factors to win...and yes one of them is getting over 30% of the revenue on every game that is sold on their platform, without acquiring anything from anyone. That sounds like a win for me. MS NEEDS Playstation for the acquisition to even make sense. COD's biggest source of revenue IS on Playstation as far as i know. (or it used to be).
Looking at these numbers like some sort of victory on MS when Activision basically swallowed MS's studios is weird. Of course after acquiring the biggest publisher in the industry MS has its revenue up.
What's interesting is that it's ALL due to the publisher they just acquired...meaning everything they are doing internally and thanks to actual MS is worth nothing in comparison. There's a reason why they hit the panick button and are now releasing everything on Playstation.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Now I can see why Phil called this acquisition his 'magnum opus, his career achievement.' They needed Activision to literally save the gaming brand.
Team Andromeda
Member
A troll who can't even get his facts right...Nintendo posted a net loss of $230 million in 2014 .
Bye, Bye Troll
Xbox isn't posting a net loss and that's all I'll say with you. I've had enough vacations for 2024 and need to focus on Christmas and saving up for Hawaii Feb 2025
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Xbox is not posting anything meaningful for two gens now, including console sales.
HeWhoWalks
Member
Your demeanor says it all. Get over your fear of a real conversation.
On the adult side of things, revenue is up thanks to their acquisition of Acti. That’s not “making money”, but still better than dropping.
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Unknown?
Member
One year, cool. Next!
Team Andromeda
Member
No, because people like you can give it, but can't take it back and then want people bannedYour demeanor says it all. Get over your fear of a real conversation.
On the adult side of things, revenue is up thanks to their acquisition of Acti. That’s not “making money”, but still better than dropping.
I've had enough holidays or 'vacations' this year thanks
HeWhoWalks
Member
Give what? What legit, unmoveable argument have you presented that I supposedly can’t take? If it’s your petty insults, you’re right. I couldn’t care less. But, if it’s about the topic at hand, what have you presented that I didn’t (or couldn’t) tackle?
And, as for “wanting people banned”, again, I couldn’t care less and have never said anything of the sort. What happens to you is your problem. I’m here for the discussion. Are you able to refute my view on the revenue part of this conversation?
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PatientGamer
Member
In other words, 100% of ALL Xbox Gaming revenue growth was due to the Activision acquisition. In other words, buying Activation wasn't just a nice to have.. they kinda had no choice. Not buying Activision would've killed the Xbox brand as they'd only experience negative revenue growth year over year until the next generation.
$70bn just to stay alive. Damn.
$70bn just to stay alive. Damn.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
bitbydeath
Gold Member
When people say this, they are referring to (hardware) your statement below.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Only 7 percent and they had a boost the year before didn't they?It was down last year as well though.
Sales-Age - Sales-Age Microsoft Q1: Gaming revenue up 9%, Content & Services up 13% and Xbox hardware down 7%
Q1 FY24 FY23www.neogaf.com
You've heard it here folks, selling less than another company in your segment is a failure and you should give up entirely.
A hint to all businesses that they should definitely take on board.
Sell less phones than apple....give up.
Topher
Identifies as young
Massive difference when those phones are sold for profit and your customer base is the entire planet. Sold at a loss and still losing market share ain't exactly killing it. And yeah, consistently losing to your competition matters. Doesn't mean they should "give up". Not sure who said that. But they need to change their strategy.
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jm89
Member
Lol this is laughable.
You should look at the history of MS strangling competition with their monopoly in enterprise.
The reason why they can't do it in gaming is
sony is much stronger and has more influence then they do in gaming. Warchest won't help them win against Sony.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
from north Korea
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Sony wins when they convert all those Xbox sales to playstatoon sales. Sony isn't winning if they continue to decline vs previous gens such as ps4. If they convert Xbox users to the playstation eco system then they are winning.
We need to see if that happens.
My xboxs are absolutely silent in operation. My ps5s are too unless you stick your head directly next to them. They both did a great job on the noise front this time.
Mr Moose
Member
jm89
Member
Sony already converted large number of Xbox users over to playstation last gen. They already won last gen really.
Causal Xbox gamers aren't really going to pc, once Xbox consoles are dead they'll be headed to playstation. Realistically they won't be able to convert everyone and you know this.
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SweetTooth
Gold Member
You couldn't be more wrong, its the other way around. No PS! CoD (MS gaming division) will die and close shop next day
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mayham2199
Member
HeWhoWalks
Member
Sony already won, they don’t have to convert anything. The hardware battle is over.
Little Chicken
Member
People still reeling from the most successful Call of Duty launch ever, I see
Unknown?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
There's just no way 30 million Xbox consoles next-gen would satisfy their goals for what they want with Gamepass. They said they are pushing for 100 million GP subs by 2030. Most GP subs are from console buyers. NOT pc or steamers.
ZehDon
Gold Member
They also declared console has reached saturation, and PC Game Pass is their biggest growth potential. I suspect that's part of why they are de-prioritising their console hardware while talking about their next-gen being the biggest technical leap ever: they're clearly not expecting to sell 100 million Xboxes anymore.
Sooner
Member
How do you come to that conclusion? What percentage increase did they need to off-shoot 70 billion in extra spending?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It only reached that saturation because they (MS) themselves can't sell consoles anymore. And depending on PC GamePass to grow over the next 3-5 years is suicide. I'm sure they've done their research and understand that PC gamers are just different than console gamers.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I don't think they did a very good job with these machines. Preferences for the exterior are purely subjective. The cost/performance ratio of what's inside the machine determines whether they did a good job or not.
And on that front ...
- Series X costs more than PS5, did not improve on the controller, does not support VR gaming, and yet often performs worse than PS5. That's pure inefficiency that negatively affected the bottom-line of the company.
- Series S never reached its promised claims, caused several problems to several developers, delayed multiple games on Xbox, and continues to perform poorly in most games.