Putonahappyface
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Yep. Hopefully Sony redesigns that melted grilled cheese sandwich of a system for late adopters.
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Md Ray
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If MS wants they could further reduce the size of the box, attach a display and a battery to it and make it a portable Xbox console in a couple of years down the line.
From N7 enhanced process node to N3, I suspect there'll be around a -44% reduction in power consumption (based on TSMC's update). So roughly <~60W from ~100W it currently consumes. How much does a typical high-end gaming laptop consumes, does anyone know?
From N7 enhanced process node to N3, I suspect there'll be around a -44% reduction in power consumption (based on TSMC's update). So roughly <~60W from ~100W it currently consumes. How much does a typical high-end gaming laptop consumes, does anyone know?
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CrustyBritches
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Rich said the reason for the video was because he broke his XSS, so now he had an excuse disassemble it. From the video, "Once you're down to the mainboard, it's not really possible to put it back together again," referring to the thermal assembly and shielding.
The SSD is the same form factor as XSX's m.2 2230, but it's not behind shielding like the XSX. It's just floating like PC motherboards.
These are marked by the manufacturer as having custom ASIC. TronicsFix tried cloning and swapping drives, and you can do it with Series S|X drives between systems, but not with a 3rd-party drive that doesn't have the custom hardware...yet. Hopefully at some point a Chinese company will make an adapter for the external drive that let's you spoof the custom hardware and use any NVMe drive you want.
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twilo99
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You know how a lot of people are fine with only 60fps when 120fps is available? Its the same.. some people are fine with 1080p, and I seem to recall the s running games in 1440p tooo
Chukhopops
Member
I was more comparing the PS5 DE to the normal PS5 and I believe the DE is a much worse deal for reasons I stated above.
I'm aware the XSS is also digital only (I have one) but its value can't be measured without the ecosystem around it and the second hand market for Xbox is dead anyway (where I live at least). But yeah if you don't like the games nothings gonna give it value.
bender
What time is it?
Compared to the PS5? Yes, yes they are. Form factor also relates to the size.
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Rocco Schiavone
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Topher
Identifies as young
Ok.....but that's just a general physical vs digital argument. I think all these consoles have a valid use case. And as I said before, I wish XSX had a DE version. They probably won't do that to avoid having too many SKUs but that would be ideal for me, personally.
Banjo64
cumsessed
I bought the PS5 Digital to play Sony's single player first party (plus From games). There's no chance on earth it's a 'bargain' though, or anything comparable to the Series S. I'm only happy with the DE because I'm happy to wait as long as it takes until games hit £20-30.
assurdum
Banned
It's not a bargain the ps5 specs at 399 dollars? Especially compared the series S? I mean, really? Man the power of the brand. Everything turn to shit when it's named playstation for the Xbox fans. Can you imagine if Sony released a ps5 series S what shitstorm would have been. God I'd like to see DF what have said in their video about it, in an alternative universe.
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assurdum
Banned
I think XSX DE was out of the question. The price wouldn't have been that appealing. Otherwise series S wouldn't never existed.
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Alebrije
Member
And 900p too
Time will tell...the more developers focus on real next gen games and not cross gen Series S will strugle, but as I said at this moment is a nice machine if you include gamepass
Hezekiah
Banned
A smilarly specced PC can do way more than a Series S can so it's not a reliable comparison.
It would also have a far bigger games library, cheaper games, free online, and far more flexibility in terms of gaming quality and performance.
Oh, and the PC is upgradeable.
In terms of the PS5 Digital Edition, the hardware is far better on the PS5 side. On the software side it will also host some of the biggest exclusives this generation, in addition to being backwardly compatible with some of the best exclusives of the last generation. The Series S is only worth it if you really want GamePass, and there are downsides aswell as upsides to that.
Banjo64
cumsessed
On the contrary, any comment that isn't emphatic sycophantic praise is incomprehensible for the PlayStation fans.
For the PS5 DE, 1 year of PS Plus and 1 RRP game costs £120, nearly the same cost of a full year of Game Pass Ultimate. You can blag it any way you want, but the value proposition is just not the same.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
People don't realize the power of a cheap console in combination with Gamepass. Later this year, little Timmy can go into a store, spend $249 on a Series S, an additional $1 for 3 months of Gamepass, and play Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite. Plus another 300 or so games on top of that. Feels good to be little Timmy.
People comparing this with the PS5DE don't really know what they're talking about.
Two if you do the gold to GPU conversion right now
Md Ray
Member
He said 5-7 years. By the time, the specs of most gaming PCs will be light-years ahead of the Series S specs. Heck it already is in terms of memory. 16GB is pretty much standard these days for system mem + 6GB for the VRAM.
Blond
Banned
Facts though, when I unboxed a SX (even though I love the design of the PS5) everything about it says hardware and aesthetics were designed hand in hand, the fact it stacked like Legos is even greaterI really dont get the brilliant part. It looks almost exactly like an xbox one s board, which is just like the phat xbox board, only smaller. It is designed like a pc motherboard. Thats like saying a new mATX board is designed brilliantly when these are as old as fuck, with very little change over the years
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And before someone gets their panties in a bunch, the only modern home console that could be said to be "brillinatly" designed is the sex. The ps5? Some part of it, sure. The series s has nothing brilliant about its design imho, and thats not really a minus.
prinz_valium
Member
NvmRich said the reason for the video was because he broke his XSS, so now he had an excuse disassemble it. From the video, "Once you're down to the mainboard, it's not really possible to put it back together again," referring to the thermal assembly and shielding.
The SSD is the same form factor as XSX's m.2 2230, but it's not behind shielding like the XSX. It's just floating like PC motherboards.
These are marked by the manufacturer as having custom ASIC. TronicsFix tried cloning and swapping drives, and you can do it with Series S|X drives between systems, but not with a 3rd-party drive that doesn't have the custom hardware...yet. Hopefully at some point a Chinese company will make an adapter for the external drive that let's you spoof the custom hardware and use any NVMe drive you want.
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Blond
Banned
Lol it DEFINITELY happened in the PS360 era. Go back and play the last few years of the generation, even Sony's exclusives the last two years of the PS3 were pushing the console's to their limit. Performance dips, screen tearing, jittering, etc. I'm not mad they're remastering games from last gen so many of them can get the performance and graphics boost they desperately need.
MisterXDTV
Member
Once Xcloud will launch on Android TV, you won't even need an Xbox to use Gamepass. You can play the games with a Smart TV or a chinese stick/box for much cheaper....
And the funny thing is, they will probably run better that way, compared to Series S....
Hezekiah
Banned
Yes that's a good point, it could end up being discontinued before the generation is done.We can agree to disagree
If those sale numbers for PS5 continues it will get cheaper, that's MS's angle ... "make everything cheap to compete and move units". That's why the Series S even exist.
It will be discontinued as soon as Phil figures out a way to make a cheaper Series X. Matter fact, I predict when the "Xbox smart TV App" and "Xbox Chromecast like dongle" comes out the Series S will probably be phased out than.
We have seen this before with the fat Xbox one, Xbox one S, One S disc less edition, etc.
Rivet
Member
Yet here in Europe Series S is the only "next gen" console on shelves in shops, so it doesn't seem to be that successful.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Little Timmy is still fine with his Xbox One. The people who are buying PS5s right now are the 30 year old boomers who would've bought it no matter what.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
The X1 is over 7 years old now. It still has games coming out. It is ridiculous to think the XSS won't be supported as long as a much weaker X1. If developers can create games for the X1 for over 7 years the XSS will have no problems at all. And since PC games aren't developed for the highest spec PC on the market, the XSS won't the lowest common denominator either again showing the XSS will have no issues with support this generation.
Yes a PC is a more powerful alternative for a much higher price. The XSS main value point is price. Can you build a gaming PC more powerful than an XSS for $300? If you can than maybe you have a point. Feel free to try if you can. At least that can play Xbox games on a PC unlike your other suggestion...
If the PS5 DE was $300 and could play Xbox games you might have a point as an alternative. Sadly it's not and someone looking to use their console to play actual games would find it far more expensive to play games on the DE. If you are going to to be paying more money getting a regular PS5 makes more sense because you'll have far more way to get games than being forced to pay whatever Sony charges and their first party games are already more expensive. Clearly not the best value.
All of your talk about PS5 games being so great is totally subjective and if the goal of someone is to play Halo the PS5 will NEVER be a viable option at any price. So of your two alternatives one is more than double the price and the other is more expensive for 3rd party games and can't play Xbox games at all. What are you even arguing?
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I'm guessing they haven't been good since they last did some Playstation specific content?
Hezekiah
Banned
Yes your talk isnt at all subjective. Whenever anybody points out that the Series S hardware isn't that great, or that GamePass isn't all that it's cracked to be by some and you're all over them
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Md Ray
Member
XSS will be the lowest common denominator just like X1 is, not PC.
Dream-Knife
Banned
No, it's just their content hasn't been interesting lately.
I'm not a fanboy for either console.
Topher
Identifies as young
I wouldn't say that. It is about price point. PS5 DE is the middle option between the PS5/XSX and XSS. Unlike XSS, the only difference is the lack of drive. If little Timmy wants to play whatever games little Timmy wants and not be constrained to a list then the options are wide open and PS5 DE is certainly a competitor to XSS at only a $100 difference.
The thing people have got to realize is that they can reference 300 or even 500 games. 1000. But the vast majority of those games just too old or not that good for a lot of gamers. Why does little Timmy feel good when Timmy doesn't want to play what's on Game Pass. Oh....but he can always buy something, right? Then what good was that $1 he spent?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Timmy can play brand new games at no additional cost. That's why I mentioned Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite.
Topher
Identifies as young
What if Timmy wants to play Assassin's Creed?
JerryinSoCal
Member
I guess next week they'll do one of these for the N64 lol. Seriously this kind of thing should have been done (and likely was) in November last year. Maybe because these are starting to be found on store shelves in Europe without too much trouble they wanted to help MS out by advertising for it... 
Little Timmy is fine playing Fortnite on the console he already owns, and you can spend $124.50 on Fortnite goodies and he'll be happy.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Then he still saves $150 dollars by buying an XSS. It's a big deal to price conscious little Timmy. And he doesn't have a big 4K TV in his room anyway.
FrankieSab
Member
A more expensive console that is hard to find.
I wanted the Digital PS5 edition, nowhere to be found in Quebec. I finally got the one with the blu-ray drive that I do not use.
Plus if you want gamepass cheap console, PS5 cannot be the substitute.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
PS5 was in stock at Amazon and Argos for over 5 hours straight a day or so ago, what does that mean?
Also love this 'here in Europe' shtick that's always posted on GAF, just post your actual country so we can laugh at your bumkin ass.
Topher
Identifies as young
lol....we are talking about two different Timmy's then. The Timmy I'm talking about wants to play all the games and not be limited by a list. Damn kid is spoiled, I'd say. Maybe that is what you do to kids to teach them discipline? Give them a XSS?
Bad Timmy!
Deputy Moonman
Member
I'm learning a lot about Timmy today
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Spoiled kids get both the PS5 and the XSX and then never use them and play Clash Royale on their phone.lol....we are talking about two different Timmy's then. The Timmy I'm talking about wants to play all the games and not be limited by a list. Damn kid is spoiled, I'd say. Maybe that is what you do to kids to teach them discipline? Give them a XSS?
Bad Timmy!
Topher
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
I thought a full technical interview with id software's lead programmer, and other pieces of content like it, was pretty damn good. Also, what DF gives us for content is usually dependent on what the industry is willing to share. So as the more exciting games and projects get revealed, so too will their content seem more exciting. But as far as technical breakdowns of games, they've been nailing that part of what they do.
Dream-Knife
Banned
I think it might just be that the industry is pretty boring right now.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
This is a dumb fucking post. Nice job, genius.
ReBurn
Gold Member
People always say it happens but it never actually happens
twilo99
Member
I think it will be the opposite actually since those same devs will start utilizing everything the s has to offer so games should in theory start to run better on it as time goes on. The series s is "current gen", not last gen.
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