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[DarkMage619]

XSS will be the lowest common denominator just like X1 is, not PC.

All Xbox games are on PC. The PC is the lowest common denominator.

Yes your talk isnt at all subjective. Whenever anybody points out that the Series S hardware isn't that great, or that GamePass isn't all that it's cracked to be by some and you're all over them .

The XSS is objectively a better value than any alternative you offered. If you don't think XSS is that great it should be pretty easy for you to show a cheaper more powerful alternative. I see the trash talk but no actual answers.

Brilliantly designed...to hold back a generation.

Holding back generation with the same CPU, RDNA 2 GPU, and SSD tech as the other consoles of the generation. Your statement is highly dubious.

 

[twilo99]

All Xbox games are on PC. The PC is the lowest common denominator.


The XSS is objectively a better value than any alternative you offered. If you don't think XSS is that great it should be pretty easy for you to show a cheaper more powerful alternative. I see the trash talk but no actual answers.


Holding back generation with the same CPU, RDNA 2 GPU, and SSD tech as the other consoles of the generation. Your statement is highly dubious.

How did the narrative that the s is holding back "next gen" came about anyway? It makes zero sense.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Powerful my hairy ass. Gears 5 looked and ran great though, perhaps first parties look and run great

All native games look like gears 5 on it.

Back compatible games run xbox one s version so those don't look as good.

But the pace at which ms is updating to native apps, I am not concerned.

 

[Batiman]

MS engineers have been killing it. Might get one of these for my sons room to play a shitload of gamepass games together. No more sharing screens.

 

[Hoddi]

How did the narrative that the s is holding back "next gen" came about anyway? It makes zero sense.

Because nobody ever bothers looking at the minimum requirements for these games on PC.

Like, BF2042 only requires an i5-6600k (a 6 year old quad-core CPU) and 4GB of VRAM while Kena requires an i3-3220 (a 9 year old dual-core CPU) with 1GB of VRAM. Meanwhile, Far Cry 6 requires an i5-4440 (2013) and 2GB of VRAM and Deathloop requires an i5-2500K (2011) with 2GB of VRAM. We still haven't seen the requirements for proper next-gen games but this is how it currently looks.

Anyway, it's clearly the Series S that's holding all these games back. There's no real evidence for this but there was a gamer on YouTube who said so. I don't think he was an actual technician but he seemed very convinced.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It's a machine that really shouldn't exist and I wish it didn't

 

[Kagey K]

Oh no a positive Xbox thread, somebody light the bat signal, while also ignoring the criticism they have with it.

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

So was the Vita

 

[Neander]

Great little machine for sure.

The magic of the Series S will be fully realized in a few years when the inevitable die shrink process puts the thing in the palm of our hands. Would easily be the most powerful handheld if that scenario would come to pass.

 

[DavidGzz]

It will be even better once they release an edition with 1-2tb of space for the same price down the road. I will get one for sure since I transport my consoles all the time. Will be so handy.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Seems like a good compact system. I'd never bother. I'll pay the extra couple hundred $$$ for a better system, double the SSD space and a 4k drive for my 4k movies.

But it's a solid system if you dont care about 4k res, only care about digital downloads, and arent the type of gamer who needs as much storage space as possible to have tons of games ready at once.

 

[Zannegan]

Seems like a good compact system. I'd never bother. I'll pay the extra couple hundred $$$ for a better system, double the SSD space and a 4k drive for my 4k movies.

But it's a solid system if you dont care about 4k res, only care about digital downloads, and arent the type of gamer who needs as much storage space as possible to have tons of games ready at once.

This is about where I'm at. I even considered getting one as my 1080p Halo and CoD machine for a year until I move back to the States. Servers in Japan would probably be ghost towns though, and it's no easier to find here than the Series X or PS5. We'll see.

 

[Astral Dog]

Personally, I'd rather it have more SSD space than a disk drive.

But it doesn't have either

 

[Kagey K]

But it doesn't have either

Neither does the PS5 DE…..l

 

[Helghan]

It holds back what devs can do on the next gen platforms because its a weak console and they have to cater to it when designing next gen games.

What games are being held back?

 

[Kagey K]

What games are being held back?

All-of them, even though they can't name one.

 

[Silent Viper]

I really dont get the brilliant part. It looks almost exactly like an xbox one s board, which is just like the phat xbox board, only smaller. It is designed like a pc motherboard. Thats like saying a new mATX board is designed brilliantly when these are as old as fuck, with very little change over the years

Edit:

And before someone gets their panties in a bunch, the only modern home console that could be said to be "brillinatly" designed is the sex. The ps5? Some part of it, sure. The series s has nothing brilliant about its design imho, and thats not really a minus.

PS5 brilliantly designed? Nice joke soon. You should pursue this field. You will have great career as stand up comedian

 

[MrFunSocks]

let's see in 5-7 years.
Devs will have to develop for this lower end hardware

Like how they've been doing since…. forever. PCs exist, and the average "gaming" pc has worse hardware than the series S. It will not be a problem now all of a sudden.

Also the generation will be winding up in 5 years, and over by 7, so it definitely won't be a problem then.

 

[Md Ray]

All Xbox games are on PC. The PC is the lowest common denominator.

Nope. Right now X1 is the lowest common denominator and most gaming PCs surpass X1 specs. In terms of mem, most of them surpass even XSS.

I can see XSS holding back PC and XSX, PS5 in 5-7 years due to its low memory, even Rich expressed his concerns over XSS limited RAM on multiple occasions.

Edit: I would trust Rich because he has connections with the game creators themselves so he must've heard about the memory limitations directly from them.

 

[assurdum]

On the contrary, any comment that isn't emphatic sycophantic praise is incomprehensible for the PlayStation fans.

For the PS5 DE, 1 year of PS Plus and 1 RRP game costs £120, nearly the same cost of a full year of Game Pass Ultimate. You can blag it any way you want, but the value proposition is just not the same.

You know the problem it's not that praise for the series S. It's the ridiculous contradictions of the Xbox fans for the other counterparts. 299 machine wow what a deal. 399 with almost the specs of series X ugh no worth it, the hell you are talking about but but gamepass. Lol.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

All-of them, even though they can't name one.

The Devs for Control and others have already criticized the Series S. PC and consoles are not the same, so I don't get that constant comparison in this thread.

I am not going to keep going back and forth, I think the series S will held back next gen and it was just a play by MS to have that $299 price at launch, I will be shocked if it's not discontinued in the next 2 years especially if the Xbox TV app/ dongle gets released.

When you look at the new Xbox box art you will notice it's not even on the covers and it's barely mentioned in the Xbox marketing. That should tell you what they think of the console lol.

Here is a link to the article about the series s :

Xbox Series S console increasingly seen as a next-gen hurdle for game developers as Control Ultimate Edition's boosts for PS5 and Xbox Series X|S are posted

The Xbox Series S console has been criticized by game developers due to its restrictive configuration. Memory and resolution limitations in comparison to the Xbox Series X have been highlighted, just as the next-gen enhancements for Control Ultimate Edition for the PlayStation 5 and Xbox...

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[assurdum]

PS5 brilliantly designed? Nice joke soon. You should pursue this field. You will have great career as stand up comedian

4TF machine at 299: brilliantly designed. 10TF 2,2 GHz at 399 lol what a joke. Are you sure it's him the comedian?

 

[Armorian]

All Xbox games are on PC. The PC is the lowest common denominator.


The XSS is objectively a better value than any alternative you offered. If you don't think XSS is that great it should be pretty easy for you to show a cheaper more powerful alternative. I see the trash talk but no actual answers.


Holding back generation with the same CPU, RDNA 2 GPU, and SSD tech as the other consoles of the generation. Your statement is highly dubious.

Minimum specs for PC games are almost always set by the console versions, you rarely see games running well on hardware that is worse than the one on consoles.

Right now we will have 2 performance profiles for games thanks to XSS and XSX, one will correspond to low settings and one for high or beyond (XSX) - for true Next Gen games you won't see the working well on something below ~4TF RDNA2 on PC (or maybe 6 GCN TF), they won't be designed for 1060GTX for example.

XSS will hold back all third party and Xbox first party games thanks to shit amount of memory available for developers, this is harsh reality and PS5 exclusives can be designed from the ground up to use ~13GB of memory compared to ~5GB this gen, on XSS devs has like ~7GB or even less.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

4TF machine at 299: brilliantly designed. 10TF 2,2 GHz at 399 lol what a joke. Are you sure it's him the comedian?

Series x - 52 CU GPU for 499.

PS5 - 36 CU GPU for 499.

Series s - 20 CU GPU for 299.

PS5 making up for power deficit by employing higher clock speeds, thereby requiring extra cooling.

That's why its so big. Sony is making up for less silicon by putting in more, cheap copper.

You realise what sort of compromises Sony made to hit 399 with digital edition?

 

[assurdum]

Series x - 52 CU GPU for 499. 12 TF RAM 16 GB

PS5 - 36 CU GPU for 499/399. 10 TF RAM 16 GB

Series s - 20 CU GPU for 299. 4 TF RAM 10 GB

PS5 making up for power deficit by employing higher clock speeds, thereby requiring extra cooling.

That's why its so big. Sony is making up for less silicon by putting in more, cheap copper.

You realise what sort of compromises Sony made to hit 399 with digital edition?

Fixed for you.
You realise what a sort of compromise MS made to hit 299 with digital edition?

 

[Banjo64]

When you look at the new Xbox box art you will notice it's not even on the covers and it's barely mentioned in the Xbox marketing. That should tell you what they think of the console lol.

Are you actually serious hahaha?

Series S isn't on the physical box arts… because it has no disc drive. Are you actually fucking serious?

 

[Banjo64]

4TF machine at 299: brilliantly designed. 10TF 2,2 GHz at 399 lol what a joke. Are you sure it's him the comedian?

What's the price got to do with design of the console?

 

[assurdum]

What's the price got to do with design of the console?

Uh specs offered?

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Fixed for you.
You realise what a sort of compromise MS made to hit 299 with digital edition?

It doesn't affect series x.

Both series s and x and great pieces of hardware in their own right. Quiet, cool good looking.

 

[Banjo64]

Uh specs offered?

What've the specs got to do with the design of the console?

Can you not separate design from price and performance?

 

[Md Ray]

XSS will hold back all third party and Xbox first party games thanks to shit amount of memory available for developers, this is harsh reality and PS5 exclusives can be designed from the ground up to use ~13GB of memory compared to ~5GB this gen, on XSS devs has like ~7GB or even less.

 

[assurdum]

What've the specs got to do with the design of the console?

Can you not separate design from price and performance?

The hell you are talking about. Console design was always about specs offered and relative price, not aesthetics. Console are not a piece of exposition lol. If it looks nice, good, but the important are the specs and the relative price not surely the aspect. Though outside the size, series S is not even a looker for my tastes.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Are you actually serious hahaha?

Series S isn't on the physical box arts… because it has no disc drive. Are you actually fucking serious?

So they say but they could still place a tag "available on series S".

Also if you recall, the launch games did have a S/X tag and they removed the Series S tag for these new box arts…. I wonder why?

The name "Series S" is barely used in their marketing because they know they are scrapping that console as soon as they can

 

[Riky]

Are you actually serious hahaha?

Series S isn't on the physical box arts… because it has no disc drive. Are you actually fucking serious?

They will literally make up anything
Its either trolling or rampant stupidity.

 

[Banjo64]

The hell you are talking about. Console design was always about specs offered and relative price, not aesthetics. Console are not a piece of exposition lol. If it looks nice, good, but the important are the specs not surely the aspect. Though outside the size, series S is not even a looker for my tastes.

Christ

I think 'the hell are you talking about' applies more to you really.

 

[assurdum]

They will literally make up anything
Its either trolling or rampant stupidity.

We are still waiting series S put in trouble the ps5 multiplat Mr strawman.

 

[Silent Viper]

4TF machine at 299: brilliantly designed. 10TF 2,2 GHz at 399 lol what a joke. Are you sure it's him the comedian?

399$ price tag will not make design better. They just selling at a loss.
Nothing innovative about PS5 design. Its ugly and bulky. But that's said its good console because of it specs and games but look and design wise, its right up there with Fat Xbox one in ugliness.

Series X i say best design console. Its more powerful and compact and much smaller in size than PS5. Its designed by Surface team which makes it look so good.

 

[Banjo64]

So they say but they could still place a tag "available on series S".

The name "Series S" is barely used in their marketing.

So what, you want them to ask a shop to place a game case on their shelf that says front and centre 'you can also leave this shop and buy this game digitally directly from MS, let's cut out the middle man'? Yeah, can't see anyone having an issue with that.

Also let's not mention the fact that if MS did this, you'd be here concern trolling saying things like 'oMg iT'LL coNfuSe little TimmY'S grandMa when ShE BUYS tHIs phYsiCal gaeM fOr SeRIEs S'

 

[assurdum]

Christ

I think 'the hell are you talking about' applies more to you really.

From when console design take in the counts just the aesthetic?

 

[assurdum]

399$ price tag will not make design better. They just selling at a loss.
Nothing innovative about PS5 design. Its ugly and bulky. But that's said its good console because of it specs and games but look and design wise, its right up there with Fat Xbox one in ugliness.

Series X i say best design console. Its more powerful and compact and much smaller in size than PS5. Its designed by Surface team which makes it look so good.

Series X and Series S combined sell at more loss broh...and I take the note. A 399 machine with the ps5 specs it's not brilliantly designed because it's ugly and huge, nothing of innovative, sure, because very high frequency on GPU was quite common before. What a deep, accurate and objective take, as always. Never changed Xbox fan, the important is the brand name.

 

[Gameplaylover]

You gotta love GAF. Here are like 20 Xbox fans and still this thread almost got 250 comments. The defence force is doing overtime.

 

[Riky]

Series X and Series S combined sell at more loss broh...and I take the note. A 399 machine with the ps5 it's not brilliantly designed because it's ugly and huge, nothing of innovative, sure. What a deep, accurate and objective take. Never changed Xbox fan.

You got any proof of that? Link?

 

[MOTM]

Funny.....

There's more "can't wait to see triggered people" posts than ACTUAL triggered posts.

Says a lot really.

Looks like you can't count then.

 

[assurdum]

You got any proof of that? Link?

Any proof which indicate I'm wrong?

 

[Black_Stride]

The Devs for Control and others have already criticized the Series S. PC and consoles are not the same, so I don't get that constant comparison in this thread.

I am not going to keep going back and forth, I think the series S will held back next gen and it was just a play by MS to have that $299 price at launch, I will be shocked if it's not discontinued in the next 2 years especially if the Xbox TV app/ dongle gets released.

When you look at the new Xbox box art you will notice it's not even on the covers and it's barely mentioned in the Xbox marketing. That should tell you what they think of the console lol.

Here is a link to the article about the series s :

Xbox Series S console increasingly seen as a next-gen hurdle for game developers as Control Ultimate Edition's boosts for PS5 and Xbox Series X|S are posted

The Xbox Series S console has been criticized by game developers due to its restrictive configuration. Memory and resolution limitations in comparison to the Xbox Series X have been highlighted, just as the next-gen enhancements for Control Ultimate Edition for the PlayStation 5 and Xbox...

www.notebookcheck.net

This is the dumbest post ive seen in quite a while.
The Series S doesnt have a disc drive so why would they list it?

PCs and consoles specifically the Series consoles are closer to each other than ever before.
Developing for Series consoles and PC are practically identical as is right now, the console advantage is having locked specs to target but otherwise if your DX12 app/game runs on Series X very strong chance you wont need to touch much code to get it to run on PC and vice versa.

 

[Riky]

It's a very nice looking compact machine, quiet and low power draw. Perfect for a bedroom console on a 1080p screen, either for kids or as extension to your Series X. The ability to store your games on a Storage Card and just simply plug and play on either machine is a major bonus.

 

[DarkMage619]

Nope. Right now X1 is the lowest common denominator and most gaming PCs surpass X1 specs. In terms of mem, most of them surpass even XSS.

I can see XSS holding back PC and XSX, PS5 in 5-7 years due to its low memory, even Rich expressed his concerns over XSS limited RAM on multiple occasions.

Memory is less significant seeing how the XSS is a console that isn't running a full PC OS. Also the XSS has SFS which offers a mitigation for less memory along with Velocity Architecture. These are unique features that even some PCs don't have. Sorry bro, as much as it pains you, the PC with its many low end devices and missing features even the XSS has will be the lowest common denominator.

Minimum specs for PC games are almost always set by the console versions, you rarely see games running well on hardware that is worse than the one on consoles.

Right now we will have 2 performance profiles for games thanks to XSS and XSX, one will correspond to low settings and one for high or beyond (XSX) - for true Next Gen games you won't see the working well on something below ~4TF RDNA2 on PC (or maybe 6 GCN TF), they won't be designed for 1060GTX for example.

XSS will hold back all third party and Xbox first party games thanks to shit amount of memory available for developers, this is harsh reality and PS5 exclusives can be designed from the ground up to use ~13GB of memory compared to ~5GB this gen, on XSS devs has like ~7GB or even less.

As I mentioned earlier none of the games that have come out so far have used SFS or VA. Pretty sure the PS5 doesn't have that either. If anything will be held back it's because of the PC. The main thing that does not scale well is the CPU. GPU scaling happens all the time. Good thing the XSS has the same CPU as all the other systems this gen.

XSS isn't a problem. Complaints from devs running last gen games using last gen engines aren't a good indicator of the XSS' performance. Check a next gen only game Flight Simulator. Stable framerate, beautiful graphics. Why not use that game as the standard? People are looking for problems.

You gotta love GAF. Here are like 20 Xbox fans and still this thread almost got 250 comments. The defence force is doing overtime.

If people don't like or have the XSS why crap up a thread about the console? Seems like some people are insecure.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

So what, you want them to ask a shop to place a game case on their shelf that says front and centre 'you can also leave this shop and buy this game digitally directly from MS, let's cut out the middle man'? Yeah, can't see anyone having an issue with that.

Also let's not mention the fact that if MS did this, you'd be here concern trolling saying things like 'oMg iT'LL coNfuSe little TimmY'S grandMa when ShE BUYS tHIs phYsiCal gaeM fOr SeRIEs S'

Grandma's are smarter than you think

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Series X and Series S combined sell at more loss broh...and I take the note. A 399 machine with the ps5 specs it's not brilliantly designed because it's ugly and huge, nothing of innovative, sure, because very high frequency on GPU was quite common before. What a deep, accurate and objective take, as always. Never changed Xbox fan, the important is the brand name.

If you don't want 4 tf machine, just get series x.

You don't have that option with PS5. It will always by bulky and louder.

 

[Riky]

Any proof which indicate I'm wrong?

You're the one making the claim, so back it up. Or is it another of your lies like the Dying light runs uncapped on PS4 the other day?