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[Team Andromeda]

My point wasn't that they went 3rd party and sold them the next day.

NFL 2K wasn't the only game they were making. A major 3rd party publisher would have said, okay EA is taking Madden exclusive? I'll put out NCAA and make it a better football game and I'll put out NBA exclusively.

And as we know NBA 2K became the predominant basketball game on the market. Again you're highlighting the difference between Sega and T2. T2 wanted to be a bigger 3rd party publisher and they saw Visual Concepts and the 2K brand as a way to do that.

As someone who was around at the time, yes Shenmue would have sold gangbusters on PS2, everyone knows that. What hit games did Sega put on the PS2? They put their best games on the two systems that were selling the worst... Sonic Adventure went to Gamecube and wouldn't come to PlayStation until PS3. They put Shenmue on Xbox. The smaller games they put on PS2 sold better than the bigger games they put on GameCube and xbox...

Before the NFL deal, SEGA was making a big push with Visual Concepts and with its Sports brand and pushing its SNAP online service the NFL deal changed all that with SEGA selling off both
Take-Two deserve credit for looking to push the Basketball side but they dropped everything else Visual Concepts had a hand in but it was the EA deal with NFL that made SEGA look to sell off VC.


I doubt Shenmue 2 would have sold better on the PS2 and SEGA looked to put Virtual Fighter 4 on the PS2 along sequels to Shinobi Phantasy Star Online, Sega Rally, and Sakura Wars and they all hardly set the sales charts alive, Hell Shenmue 1 sold better than either of the 1st two Yakuza games on the PS2 and it took the Satakore version of Yakuza 1/2 in Japan before we started to see really good sales
It was pretty sad to see a port of Sonic Adv 2 on the GameCube sell better than many of their Xbox, GameGube PS2 game

 

[Gorgon]

I’m invested in my PlayStation eco-system but even I can tell that Sony and Nintendo are the least consumer friendly companies in the industry.

30% seems steep for what’s basically a “I’ll allow it.gif” moment. Hopefully Sony introduces new quality of life and consumer-first concepts to PlayStation to keep their lead, otherwise, they’ll have PC creeping in and taking over in 1-2 more generations. All they need is to take ideas from what Steam is doing.

I’ve seen too many indie games skipping PS5 because of what % Sony takes.

How much % does Steam take?

 

[DeepEnigma]

How much % does Steam take?

From Google.

Steam typically charges publishers a 30% cut of all game sales made on their platform, meaning that developers receive 70% of the revenue generated from their game sales on Steam.

Key points about Steam's publisher fees:

• Standard cut: 30% of all game sales.
  
  
• Developer share: 70% of game sales.
  
  
• Steam Direct fee: A one-time $100 fee to publish a game on Steam, which is refunded if the game generates at least $1,000 in sales.

 

[Gorgon]

From Google.

Steam typically charges publishers a 30% cut of all game sales made on their platform, meaning that developers receive 70% of the revenue generated from their game sales on Steam.

Key points about Steam's publisher fees:

• Standard cut: 30% of all game sales.
  
  
• Developer share: 70% of game sales.
  
  
• Steam Direct fee: A one-time $100 fee to publish a game on Steam, which is refunded if the game generates at least $1,000 in sales.

Thanks. So, in other words, the 30% cut from Sony has nothing to do with it. It's the extra development cost that may be a no-no for extremely small teams (including one-man teams), since it'snot just a mater of hitting the recompile button.

 

[jroc74]

Looks like Microsoft is gonna start showing the PlayStation and Switch Logo's in there showcase.

I said it when it happened in the Dev Direct....MS are gonna proceed like any normal 3rd party publisher.

Each new interview is confirming this.

 

[sendit]

From the start of this generation, “we have a plan to win” to “we are putting all of our games on Playstation”.

Jokes aside, no one could have predicted this down fall.

 

[mckmas8808]

Now your quoting yourself to remind us of stupid things you've said that are still stupid?

Seriously, what's the deal with you constantly quoting yourself. Are you really that insecure?

But he was literally 100% correct there and now. So what's the problem?

 

[Arsic]

 

[Sooner]

But he was literally 100% correct there and now. So what's the problem?

If I was invested in the Xbox platform, I'd be pissed. Not because they just don't like PlayStation gamers, but because what they're doing is literally killing off the Xbox console. When that goes away, so do all your digital Xbox purchases, your gamerscore, your Xbox friends lists, etc.

A console with zero exclusives cannot and will not compete against two already more popular consoles that still have thier exclusives and now all yours too.

 

[Neo_game]

It's too late. Xbox is unsalvageable with Nutella calling the shots. The only reason he kept Xbox around was because he saw huge potential with services and that didn't materialize they way they needed it to. Microsoft will continue to push their remaining audience to Game Pass and cloud-enabled devices until that inevitably fails and they go full third-party.

Don't blame Phil's failure on Microsoft CEO. Phil is in charge of gaming division.

 

[Kacho]

Don't blame Phil's failure on Microsoft CEO. Phil is in charge of gaming division.

Phil could retire today and their future plans wouldn’t change because Nutella is calling the shots.

 

[sendit]

Phil could retire today and their future plans wouldn’t change because Nutella is calling the shots.

Nutella is calling the shots because Phils plan failed a series of times.

 

[Ebrietas]

Wake up people.
Just like xbox killed a bunch of devs and projects in the past , just like they killed their console brand , just like they kept lying and lying about all their numbers.....be asured they will fuck up being third party as well

Their job becomes much harder as a third party instead of a platform holder.

MS would MUCH rather own iOS, Steam, PS, or Nintendo over whatever their current Xbox business is. Owning a platform where everyone buys games is a much better business than having to develop and sell games yourself.

 

[Sooner]

It used to be, "Sony will use that 30% to kill Xbox". What changed Phillip?

 

[Neo_game]

Phil could retire today and their future plans wouldn’t change because Nutella is calling the shots.

Phil is lucky to have such a high profile job and delivers nothing. If I were the CEO of Microsoft, I would have got rid of him, why is he even there if he cannot make good decisions

 

[mckmas8808]

If I was invested in the Xbox platform, I'd be pissed. Not because they just don't like PlayStation gamers, but because what they're doing is literally killing off the Xbox console. When that goes away, so do all your digital Xbox purchases, your gamerscore, your Xbox friends lists, etc.

A console with zero exclusives cannot and will not compete against two already more popular consoles that still have thier exclusives and now all yours too.

Many of us said that here on GAF 4 years ago, but were yelled at. I'm happy to finally see the majority understand what you just typed nowadays.

 

[Kacho]

Nutella is calling the shots because Phils plan failed a series of times.

No one cares. Microsoft’s company culture is incompatible with gaming, that’s why they’ve been shit since the middle of the 360 generation. Don Mattrick, Phil Spencer, Sarah Bond, Matt Booty, it doesn’t matter who’s running what. They all suck.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Let me get this straight. The reason they're doing this is because poor little startup MICROSOFT doesn't have enough money to fund their own games?

What kind of fucking nonsense is this?

 

[sendit]

No one cares. Microsoft’s company culture is incompatible with gaming, that’s why they’ve been shit since the middle of the 360 generation. Don Mattrick, Phil Spencer, Sarah Bond, Matt Booty, it doesn’t matter who’s running what. They all suck.

This era was different: