Dont give up on America.

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Lautaro

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So let me get this straight: some comments on the Internet and people want to remove US help? haha

According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid (if you have a better source please share it) the countries that receive most US help are strategic "allies" like Afganistan and Israel. If you remove your help is the same as abandoning your foreign policy. In my personal opinion I would say go for it because it would mean stop screwing with the world but there are also several poor countries like Haiti that need that help to survive.

If you can't stand criticism that's ok but punishing weak countries for it is ridiculous.

EDIT: fuck, new page again!
 

slit

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Nah, we're sincerely embarrassed that we live in this country. Uneducated people who don't really know what America does are the only people who are all "'MERICA! FUCK YEAH!"

I'm very educated and I am not embarrassed to be an American. America has done a lot of good for the world, and before anyone cries foul, yes I know it's also done a lot of bad. However that happens with ANY country because countries are ultimately run by humans and guess what? Humans make mistakes, sometimes MAJOR ones and sometimes evil people get power that they should of never had. The self-loathing Americans are as bad as the ones that scream your silly quote.
 

Macattk15

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So let me get this straight: some comments on the Internet and people want to remove US help? haha

According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid (if you have a better source please share it) the countries that receive most US help are strategic "allies" like Afganistan and Israel. If you remove your help is the same as abandoning your foreign policy. In my personal opinion I would say go for it because it would mean stop screwing with the world but there are also several poor countries like Haiti that need that help to survive.

If you can't stand criticism that's ok but punishing weak countries for it is ridiculous.

EDIT: fuck, new page again!

You misunderstood my point. I don't honestly want the USA to pull it's aid money in the World.

The USA is shit on for so many things, yet the amount of aid it provides various parts of the World who otherwise would be without it, is never talked about or thought about in these what end up being "Fuck the USA" threads.
 

Lautaro

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You misunderstood my point. I don't honestly want the USA to pull it's aid money in the World.

The USA is shit on for so many things, yet the amount of aid it provides various parts of the World who otherwise would be without it, is never talked about or thought about in these what end up being "Fuck the USA" threads.

Good things don't erase the bad. Besides if you read the list you'll see that most of the help goes to support your allies and the puppet governments of countries you have attacked in the past (so it's not charity).

Also USA is not the only country that gives help to others.
 

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I love America. I'm moving to Detroit in the near future.

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Are you sure about this?
 
I love America. While I don't think -any- country is the "best" country (they all got issues if you dig beneath the surface) there's no place else I'd rather live.

Can someone explain to me why this turned into "Fuck America: The Thread"?
 

Macattk15

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Good things don't erase the bad. Besides if you read the list you'll see that most of the help goes to support your allies and the puppet governments of countries you have attacked in the past (so it's not charity).

Also USA is not the only country that gives help to others.

What country do you originate from?
 

Goldrusher

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Belgium, look out.
Belgium owns your ass.

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                                                  (in billions of dollars)
                                                HOLDINGS 1/ AT END OF PERIOD


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Japan                 1182.5  1186.4  1174.4  1178.1  1149.1  1135.4  1083.3  1103.7  1112.7  1114.3  1105.5  1103.9  1111.2
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Oil Exporters 3/       238.3   236.2   236.8   245.7   246.5   257.7   256.9   264.5   271.7   265.1   256.8   261.6   262.0
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The United States is not doing poorly in the Winter Olympics though...It is currently in 3rd place and has about the same amount of medals, just two less gold. Traditionally the United States really dominates in the Summer Olympics.
 

Liamario

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Right Wing conservatives (mostly Christians), not dissimilar to their Islamic counterparts.

Above having way too much influence on laws etc...

The republican party in general.

Blind unquestioned patriotism.

Health care system or lack thereof. People having to get money together in a charity drive is not ok.

Everything to excess.

Religion has too much power in political decisions.

So much ignorance and short sightedness.


Note: Of course, I am generalising and the majority of this doesn't apply to most americans; it does apply to a high percentage though.
 
The United States is not doing poorly in the Winter Olympics though...It is currently in 3rd place and has about the same amount of medals, just two less gold. Traditionally the United States really dominates in the Summer Olympics.

Not a surprise considering how much olympic medals are there to be won by shooting stuff.

jk
 

Mononoke

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As it stands now if the US won 2 more gold medals they would be first in the overall ranking. But regardless, why does the U.S. need to win everything. This mentality that we need to dominate to be seen as successful is weird.
 

kick51

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As it stands now if the US won 2 more gold medals they would be first in the overall ranking. But regardless, why does the U.S. need to win everything. This mentality that we need to dominate to be seen as successful is weird.


It worked out for a while, but that mindset is losing relevance as the world becomes interconnected.

how long it takes to adjust is anyone's guess
 

Kadayi

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America is a great country. One of the best in the world.

It would be a better country if the people that lived in it didn't insist it was the BEST country in the world in every way shape or form.

It's not, but that's okay.

Just as being third in the Olympics is actually pretty fucking good.

^ nail on the head.

From the dirty johnny foreigner perspective the near endless tubthumping at any given success as some affirmation of global superiority, coupled with this end of existence angst and recrimination at the merest sniff of failure is frankly perplexing tbh.
 

Mononoke

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It worked out for a while, but that mindset is losing relevance as the world becomes interconnected.

how long it takes to adjust is anyone's guess

Yeah good point. Just tired of hearing fellow Americans complaining about how the US team is failing. These athletes work hard and are among the best in the world. If they lost it was to a superior athlete. No shame in that.

This kind of shaming is embarrassing.
 

Kadayi

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Yeah good point. Just tired of hearing my fellow Americans complaining about how the US team is failing. These athletes work hard and are among the best in the world. If they lost it was to a superior athlete. No shame in that.

This kind of shaming is embarrassing.

Indeed getting to the Olympics is an achievement in itself. It's fair to say that 90% of the people there know based on their performances and form that they aren't going to come away with a medal of any colour, but they are still there to compete because being a selected to compete is an honour.
 

Laieon

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Sorry OP, I gave up on America a long, long time ago.

"They call it the American dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it." - George Carlin.

I don't think a guy who was born into a middle class family and went on to be worth millions of dollars really has room to talk. He can't say the American dream isn't real when he lived it.
 

Mondy

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I don't think a guy who was born into a middle class family and went on to be worth millions of dollars really has room to talk. He can't say the American dream isn't real when he lived it.

Carlin was a rebel at a young age, played a big part in the hippy movement then worked a dead end job as a radio DJ before his stand up comedy gigs started.
 

Macattk15

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I'm from Chile. Why?

Do you want to look for a personal motivation instead of going after my arguments?

No. I just wanted to know what great country you were from since you can so openly criticize the USA. I can't comment on Chile cause I honestly don't have a fucking clue what you've done to better the world.
 
No. I just wanted to know what great country you were from since you can so openly criticize the USA. I can't comment on Chile cause I honestly don't have a fucking clue what you've done to better the world.

Secretly tortured and murdered thousands of civilians opposed to Pinochet with the help of the CIA. Oh, you said better.
 
America is exceptional at making sure the vast majority of its citizens do not understand the very world they are living in. Plus you know, all civilized societies better draw their weapons instead of you know, put them down.
 

Lautaro

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No. I just wanted to know what great country you were from since you can so openly criticize the USA. I can't comment on Chile cause I honestly don't have a fucking clue what you've done to better the world.

What? our existence is not improvement enough? haha

Cut that bullshit, I don't need to belong to a "great country" (wtf is this shit anyway?) to make a valid critiscism about USA's foreign policy (because I haven't even talk ill about their people... but if for you a criticism about politics is an insult to your nation then I think the "Merica" stereotype really applies to you).
 
And that has to do what with providing aid to the World?

The US provided material support for a regime which was responsible for torture and murder of civilians while publicly condemning it, because it was strategically beneficial to do so. I'm not taking a side in your argument here, but since you seem quite ignorant of modern history I thought it might be helpful to know why a Chilean would take issue with the way the US hands out aid overseas.
 

Fantastapotamus

Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
This is actually a time where "Never gonna give you up" could be used in context.

(Also I'm sorry americans but your beer really sucks ass)
 

Macattk15

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What? our existence is not improvement enough? haha

Cut that bullshit, I don't need to belong to a "great country" (wtf is this shit anyway?) to make a valid critiscism about USA's foreign policy (because I haven't even talk ill about their people... but if for you a criticism about politics is an insult to your nation then I think the "Merica" stereotype really applies to you).

What? You criticized who we provided aid to. I don't care what you say about our government as I don't like it or care for it either.

I simply was trying to bring up an example of good things the USA does for other parts of the World. You immediately retorted with "yeah you're supporting places you destroyed with war blah blah" .... yet ignore all the help we provide to many of the nations of Africa/Latin America/Asia/etc.
 
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