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[KJRS_1993]

It's not "War of Independence". But any company pulling that kind of bullshit shouldn't be rewarded in any way, and it should not be forgotten just because they went back on it. If they suffer backlash from the market then so be it and it's all the better if others take notice and adapt.

That whole issue went well beyond the typical system wars, from the past.

Have you seen the sales figures? People don't care, and 90% of them never even knew about it in the first place.
The Xbox One pre-180 lives on only in the minds of the specialist press and the enthusiasts, and only matters to them.

Rest of the world has long moved on.

edit: Xbox One is currently behind PS4 not because of DRM plans or PR messages or Adam Orth. It's behind PS4 because of the price.

 

[benny_a]

Yeah, the sports comparisons are meaningless. They are competitions designed around spectator involvement. If you or others have created a similar aura around electronics corporations then that's entirely artificial, and pretty fucking sad.

Yeah lulz. Imagine if someone came in a thread about two exclusive Vita games and said "these games are on their way to bigger and better platforms" that would be so pathetic.

 

[Shahed]

In my head I always feel baffled at how supposedly adults fall to this stupidity. But then I remember they can be just as silly and immature as the rest of them.

It's not as if these are sports teams or something. I mean I support Newcastle United (despite managers headbutting players and all!) and England because they are my home city and country, so I'm invested in them. Why on earth would someone feel the same for a random company?

 

[-MD-]

The console war mentality is no different than that of a sports enthusiast.

I grew up with PlayStation, so that will forever be my console of choice - even if the competition is better, that's just where my loyalty resides.

I grew up with the Chicago Bears, so that will forever be my football team of choice - even if the competition is better, that's just where my loyalty resides.

I understand being a fan of a sports team even when they suck because you really have no personal stake in them if they win or lose, taking sides with a console though doesn't really click with me because you're spending hundreds on consoles and hundreds on games, if they release nothing but trash games you're just going to sit there and play it because of loyalty rather than jump ship to where the better games are?

 

[GlamFM]

Personally I don't care - I just buy everything. I do tell my friends which console to buy though. They trust my judgement. I told the which one to get last gen and I did the same this gen.
I probably "sold" 20 consoles

 

[chickdigger802]

dont really get sports mentality. if you had investments in a specific sports team or if every game system and game was essentially free...

 

[braves01]

For adults, I think it's more a case of "Company X is taking is taking the industry in a direction I like, but Company Y is not

Spoiler

so I will talk shit about it online and hope it fails

."

 

[Billen]

People are way too eager in branding any argument as'war'. Consumers actually interested in getting their monies worth usually isn't frowned upon, quite the opposite. People actively discussing major corporations running nasty schemes to erode consumer rights should be discussed in the open. People comparing performance of consoles should be no more strange than wanting to know that your washing machine delivers at no extra cost.

And if anyone was to scoff about twice the resolution in a camera or TV forum they would get laughed at.

People getting emotional, however, is just tragic.

 

[pretty done]

That's just the drought talking from the looks of it. Malnourishment makes people crazy.

Similar to Wii U users hyping up a mediocre Lego title because it's exclusive amirite?

I kid I kid, everyone's got their bias but some people just hide it a little better than others

 

[StuBurns]

I hate this outlook that all companies are evil. Yes they all are there to make money from us, but some do it in a more consumer friendly manner, some give more benefits to their customers and some offer better deals.

But ethically they're all doing the same thing. Sony might appear to be more 'friendly' but it's because they hired a PR firm that told them that's the best way to extract money from you.

It's funny that Cerny has become this 'hero' online, MS and Nintendo's systems would both have had chief architects too, those companies have just chosen not to have them pitch the systems.

They're all doing exactly the same thing.

 

[-MD-]

For adults, I think it's more a case of "Company X is taking is taking the industry in a direction I like, but Company Y is not

Spoiler

so I will talk shit about it online and hope it fails

."

This is true too.

I hope Titanfall sells zero copies and the new Call of Duty's game files get caught in a flood.

 

[PBY]

I understand being a fan of a sports team even when they suck because you really have no personal stake in them if they win or lose, taking sides with a console though doesn't really click with me because you're spending hundreds on consoles and hundreds on games, if they release nothing but trash games you're just going to sit there and play it because of loyalty rather than jump ship to where the better games are?

Pretty much. Don't understand blind brand loyalty out of nostalgia.

Sports are different because you share a bond with your community and family.

 

[DarkoMaledictus]

Look into my eyes.

They saw shit you can never comprehend.

That poor cat is definitely section 8...

 

[Eusis]

This.

Further, sports are tied to your school or community, and often family.

It's a very different thing.

The only way it really makes sense for companies is if you are either working for them or have family working for them. And that would probably apply to any damn thing, and has the potential angle that as they do better you do better, so it ends up more like stocks or something.

Yeah, after a certain maturity level it only really makes any sort of sense if a company's doing crap you don't like and even then you'd probably want the ones screwing up to be hit hard and the ones doing right to be rewarded, IE you don't root against Samsung because you just love your iPhone that much, but because there were incidents with their USB chargers they wanted covered up and thus made them look shady as fuck, and I think Samsung's supposed to have a long history of shady bullshit. And in the case Apple "winning or losing" doesn't mean much, though they've pulled plenty of their own shit so it's just asshole vs asshole in the end I guess.

 

[DrkSage]

Its very strange. I was in a gamestop today and a grown man walked to the counter and said "what's coming out for Xbox one I don't do that PS shit"

was he looking for a reaction? Idk. I did find feel the magic for Ds for 99 cents though.

Lol I remember one time I was at GameStop buying a 3ds and 2 grown men came and one said to the other "look at that piece of shit, you can't tell it 'playstation on' like the Xbox one"

Fanboy-ism is a funny thing

 

[Lasthope106]

I use to do it back in the day because I only had a limited amount of cash and time, so whichever console I chose, in my mind, was the best. I thought it was my duty to enlighten others as to why my console of choice should also be what they should buy. If these people didn't follow my advice, I would see it as not maximizing their money, and not seeing the gaming potential that was available with the console I had.

At this point in my life, I really don't give a shit. Buy whatever has the games you want to play. All consoles have great exclusives. Having said all that, the pc is the best gaming platform that will ever exist in this god's green earth.

 

[PBY]

This is true too.

I hope Titanfall sells zero copies and the new Call of Duty's game files get caught in a flood.

Wow

 

[Zeth]

"What console war? I'm simply an advocate for consumer rights. When companies try to screw over consumers and tamper with our industry in destructive ways it's our job to voice our opinions"

 

[hwy_61]

"What console war? I'm simply an advocate for consumer rights. When companies try to screw over consumers and tamper with our industry in destructive ways it's our job to voice our opinions"

Who are you quoting?

 

[Mlatador]

Take the this thread of "adults, why do you console war?" + the recent thread of "do you enjoy talking about videogames more than playing them", then you'll get your answer.

To some people "the console war" is a game by itself, like some sort of "fantasy football league".

 

[PBY]

Take the this thread of "adults, why do you console war?" + the recent thread of "do you enjoy talking about videogames more than playing them", then you'll get your answer.

To some people "the console war" is a game by itself, like some sort of "fantasy football league".

So much sadder than fantasy football tho.

 

[BenderBR]

I started with a Playstation in 1997. Then MS brought the Xbox. At the time MS had a pretty bad reputation and it felt like they would use their market power (and lots of money) to push a different console on the market, and lots of people, me included, didnt like it. This started my allegiance with the Playstation.

I didnt even get a PS2, got a PS3 late in 2011.

Nowadays I just really enjoy watching all the console war drama, especially now that the PS4 has the upper hand.

 

[chickdigger802]

what was gaf like early last gen?

Were there people really defending no rumble and how multiplat games all ran terribad on ps3?

 

[T.O.P]

Poking people who take it so seriously is fun to watch

yup

I always own all consoles for each gen, idgaf

 

[semiconscious]

i don't 'console war'. i just don't buy/use ms products, & haven't for over a decade. i also don't buy soft drinks or chips. do i want these companies to fail? not especially, but i wouldn't miss'm if they did . they're not offering me something i want, or i feel i need to have...

not that i think sony's perfect, or that apple isn't fucked-up. it's just a mix of limited funds, &, in my personal judgement, the lesser of 2 evils / more appealing products (or, in the case of soft drinks/chips, opting for a healthy diet )...

 

[KJRS_1993]

"What console war? I'm simply an advocate for consumer rights. When companies try to screw over consumers and tamper with our industry in destructive ways it's our job to voice our opinions"

Complaining on NeoGaf is not equal to advocating consumer rights.
If it is, it's definitely "easy mode" consumer rights.

 

[samus4ever]

I fought the Great War between the snes and genesis. I retired soon after the battle was over, vowing to own all systems after that gen. Well, it did help that I got out of elementary school/middle school and was old enough to get a job while the next gen took place. =)

 

[StuBurns]

I fought the Great War between the snes and genesis. I retired soon after the battle was over, vowing to own all systems after that gen. Well, it did help that I got out of elementary school and middle school and was old enough to get a job while the next gen took place. =)

Is your avatar Emma Roberts?

 

[PhatSaqs]

Yeah, the sports comparisons are meaningless. They are competitions designed around spectator involvement. If you or others have created a similar aura around electronics corporations then that's entirely artificial, and pretty fucking sad.

Bingo. Anyone likening consoles to sports is pretty telling.

 

[sechsterangriff]

Have you seen the sales figures? People don't care, and 90% of them never even knew about it in the first place.
The Xbox One pre-180 lives on only in the minds of the specialist press and the enthusiasts, and only matters to them.

Rest of the world has long moved on.

edit: Xbox One is currently behind PS4 not because of DRM plans or PR messages or Adam Orth. It's behind PS4 because of the price.

The Xbox One is behind because of a myriad of reasons, the price being the most obvious of all. There are lot of people non enthusiasts that were aware of the anti-consumer plans, some of these weren't even aware Microsoft went backwards on those plans.
But that's besides the point. Regardless if many or few people actually still care if they're being/were being ripped off, doesn't make the discussion and preoccupation around it any less valid. People expecting failure and mediocrity NOT to be rewarded and not to be an example have all the right to hope the company is punished by the market (even if it probably won't be).

Calling people/companies/organizations for their bullshit should never, ever be compared to fanboyism.

 

[samus4ever]

Is your avatar Emma Roberts?

Yes

 

[Glass Shark]

I think you're vastly overestimating the amount of disposable income that most adults have.

 

[J_Macgrady]

I never really cared for it either. I just want a system with a decent library of Japanese action and fighting games. PS2 was the go to system for both genres so I bought a PS3 because I expected the same thing. Once everything went multiplatform it was just about which controller was more comfortable so I stayed with the PS3. However, It looks like I'm going to get less of both on all of the current gen consoles so I don't even care for gaming like that anymore. Bayonetta 2 is tempting though.

 

[JLeack]

Is it off topic if I say why I don't console war?

I don't because I just want to play games. Give me games!

That's why I'm excited for Yoshi's New Island, Diablo 3: Reaper of Souls, Titanfall, and inFamous: Second Son. I don't give a burnt sausage what platform it's on, just give me the game!

 

[RealityPales]

I understand being a fan of a sports team even when they suck because you really have no personal stake in them if they win or lose, taking sides with a console though doesn't really click with me because you're spending hundreds on consoles and hundreds on games, if they release nothing but trash games you're just going to sit there and play it because of loyalty rather than jump ship to where the better games are?

The ticket price of a single Bears game in the nose-bleeds is equivalent to what you can get a PS4 for. And they play like trash.

And I play PC and one console for an entire gen. It's a money and time thing. If I devoted this much time and money to two or even three consoles, my wallet would be fucked and I'd have no free time. So I'll do the same thing I did last gen - wait until the end to buy the other console(s). Assuming they're worth it.

 

[KDR_11k]

Bingo. Anyone likening consoles to sports is pretty telling.

I dunno, sports isn't even close to reasonable either. We have rival hooligan groups here representing teams that didn't play in the same league until this year (and by the looks of it they won't be in the same league next year). Yet the groups were breeding hatred and violence long before that, when the teams weren't even competing with each other!

 

[kingkaiser]

Vicarious satisfaction

 

[Data West]

Just because I have the money to spend on both consoles, doesn't mean I want to or should.

I do find it funny that you're saying certain game journalists would say that only kids console war because they can't afford both. Coming from people who get free consoles and games for 'work.'

 

[azhar]

Didn't see if it's been mentioned already, but The Verge recently had a great article about this topic. The article is titled "Fanboys" and I'd recommend everyone to read it.

 

[NullPointer]

Quick question - was it console war fanboyism to have been happy to see Tretton lay the smackdown on MS last e3 to cheers and standing ovations?

Because if enjoying that made me a fanboy, then hand me my club jacket.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if I ended up picking up an Xbox sometime in the next year or so, but it depends upon my sense of the direction and vision for the console moving forward. That stuff is important to me, as I don't enjoy my money and time going to support bad, or anti-gaming or anti-consumer initiatives.

 

[SeanR1221]

Just because you can afford both consoles doesn't mean its a financially responsible decision to buy both. The majority of games are multiplatform, meaning owning one system gets you the *vast* majority of good games available once you include the first party titles as well. Spending half a thousand dollars(plus the cost of games) on the other console only gets you the exclusive games for that system and that's it. The initial console purchase is far, far, far greater value than the 2nd.

Some people are enthusiast enough to want both still and can stomach that diminished value and good for them, but one thing you should also learn as an adult is that just because you can afford something doesn't mean you should buy it.

So I do think there's still a large element of justification going on, even with adults.

Yup. I COULD afford both but my wife would have an aneurysm. Getting the ps4 and vita back to back was enough.

 

[hwy_61]

The ticket price of a single Bears game in the nose-bleeds is equivalent to what you can get a PS4 for. And they play like trash.

Yup. Never been to soldier field because of how goddamn expensive it is. Baseball on the other hand...

 

[Camp Lo]

Allegiances run deep, OP

My cousin is 27 and a diehard Sony owner. He would never buy a Xbox system. He's been like that since we were kids so yeah, it's really deep.

 

[Poundis Rex]

I have to admit that I do enjoy the console war. Always have. I started taking sides because as a teen I was a contrarian and always hated what was popular and always fought for the underdog in any industry. As I got older it just became more of a passtime. My "warrioring" was also in computers and I really got into the HD-DVD vs Bluray thing.

Some of my fun warrior facts:

- I was such an Atari enthusiast as a teen that they sent me PR stuff and gave me steep discounts (this was back in BBS days pre-internet).
- I have owned every major game system since Genesis that was not made by Nintendo (except ps4 and neogeo).
- Have never bought Nintendo anything (although I had to make Wii games).
- Unlike most warriors, I put my life where my mouth was: I loved games so much I spent 7 years working in an Arcade and then another 7 as a dev in the industry. Got out because I like having a family and need steady paychecks now.
- The PS3 was the last Sony hardware I'll ever own (and only played one game on - uncharted).

The whole reason I come to Gaf is to see the enthusiast warrior battles. The leaps of logic. The boycotts over feeling "wronged". The creative hyperbole. The blind company support. And my favorite lately - the constant arguing for why a game(s) or game hardware can't be fun for technical reasons.
Warrior on Gaf. Warrior on.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

It's mostly silly and petty.

That said, there are certain trends I dislike that cause me to hope certain companies don't do well. i.e. I hate motion control, voice control and non-traditional controls in general. Thus I hate that MS forced Kinect into the X1, and won't buy one unless they put out a Kinectless sku. So on that front I hope their sales remain sluggish relative to PS4 so they have more incentive to drop Kinect and put out a cheaper sku.

The DRM stuff they initially tried to pull was another major factor for me that would have had me hoping they failed miserably.

Last gen I hated that Sony forced in Bluray at a $500-600 price and told us to get a second job to afford one and so forth. So I was glad to see them brought back down to earth from that cockiness they had after the PS2's domination as the end result is great news for us as seen by how they've focused on the PS4 as a gaming machine and catered a lot to gamers with it, PS+ etc.

 

[SonyToo!™]

I've got a knack for liking economical failures which can be frustrating at times, which makes me an easy target console warriors and trolls.

 

[KJRS_1993]

Calling people/companies/organizations for their bullshit should never, ever be compared to fanboyism.

Well I never did compare it to fanboyism, but that's besides the point.
I can assure you, the higher ups at Microsoft were not interested in the fact that sechsterangriff calling their bullshit on Neogaf. Nobody at Microsoft said "oh shit, sechsterangriff is onto us, we've been found out and our chances have been ruined!"

They're not fussed about the enthusiasts like me and you, we're such a small minority that no money can be made by pandering to us.

They made the reversals because the news about the Xbox One pre-180 was starting to show up in mainstream outlets, to be read by the great majority - where it does matter. Not because anybody, or any group of people on a forum called them out on their bullshit.

 

[Melchiah]

In my head I always feel baffled at how supposedly adults fall to this stupidity. But then I remember they can be just as silly and immature as the rest of them.

It's not as if these are sports teams or something. I mean I support Newcastle United and England because they are my home city and country, so I'm invested in them. Why on earth would someone feel the same for a random company?

I don't necessarily support the sport analogy, but from my point of view there isn't that much of a difference between them. I spent my childhood in different places, and have always been an outsider, so I have no experiences of being a part of a community, or sentimental attachment to some region. Only the names of the sports teams stay the same, players move, or are bought by the rival team. Much like in the gaming culture. The team may have given you pleasant childhood memories, just like a game company. The difference is, all the sports teams offer you similar experiences of excitement and disappointment, and a sense of belonging, unlike the console platform holders, who have often completely different kinds of entertainment to offer from each other. In that sense, I actually find it more understandable to align oneself with a gaming platform, that offers the person what the others don't.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Rooting for something to beat something else is fun, what do you know.

 

[PhatSaqs]

I dunno, sports isn't even close to reasonable either. We have rival hooligan groups here representing teams that didn't play in the same league until this year (and by the looks of it they won't be in the same league next year). Yet the groups were breeding hatred and violence long before that, when the teams weren't even competing with each other!

True indeed. Some sports fans can get really really over the top and ridiculous. I for one will never understand how people can be fans of a team that they have no relevant link to (family, hometown, etc.) but that's a different discussion. Preferences are fine and dandy as we all have them but rooting for consoles on a forum as if you're watching a sporting event is just.....lulz.