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[tokkun]

Humans are omnivores. How is it wrong?

Capability of eating meat is not the same as morality of eating meat.

For instance, humans are perfectly capable of cannibalism, yet it is perhaps among the most repugnant concepts to many people.

Likewise, I doubt you would look at humanity's lengthy history of mass rape and murder and use that as a moral argument in favor of those things.

"Because we can" and "because we always have" are not convincing moral arguments.

 

[Soriku]

If God did not want us to eat meat, He would have not made it so delicious. Carry on, folks.

What kind of meat? Some of it is poisonous...

I don't really have an opinion on the ethics of eating meat. I'll just say though that lately, I've...kinda been grossed out from burgers. Just because it's a certain kind of meat. Yet I have no problem devouring chicken lol.

 

[terrisus]

with ketchup!

Nah, I don't like ketchup on anything.

Either barbeque sauce, or just plain.

My brother would say you're ruining your steak. Although I think you and me share something in-common here. I'm a well-done man myself, and sick of hearing his shit lol.

Yeah, people like to say that.

Meh, they can have their "non-ruined steak."
I'll have my steak without red stuff all inside of it.

 

[LanceVance]

Even if humans found a way to create meat in a lab, the animals would most likely die off anyway. Dairy cows would be kept for milk, but the space used to rear cattle and pigs for meat would be used to grow crops etc instead. Those little piggies ain't gunna have anywhere to live

 

[JordanN]

For one of my High School reports, I did an essay on the Amazon Rainforest and it's quickly being destroyed because of beef.

China demands more beef so Brazil starts chopping down trees to raise more cows.

We'll have to stop if it reaches a point of extreme environmental damage.

 

[1cmanny1]

No. Even if we make perfect synthetic copies, there would still be "the real thing" around.

 

[Tesseract]

Capability of eating meat is not the same as morality of eating meat.

For instance, humans are perfectly capable of cannibalism, yet it is perhaps among the most repugnant concepts to many people.

Likewise, I doubt you would look at humanity's lengthy history of mass rape and murder and use that as a moral argument in favor of those things.

"Because we can" and "because we always have" are not convincing moral arguments.

tokkun, particle breh

what's your favorite meat?

 

[njean777]

I don't think that it'll ever happen, or that it ever should. I don't think there's anything wrong with eating animals, though I would prefer them to be raised and slaughtered as humanely as possible.

Would there be something wrong with eating humans? Just curious since you said there is nothing wrong with eating animals.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I think this is also a good opportunity to let Americans know that the quality of their meat sucks ass. Some of you really don't know what you're missing.

 

[canoli2006]

We know that we don't need meat. We could survive perfectly well without it and still have a healthy diet. We know that killing all these delicious animals is purely to satisfy our taste.

I fucking love eating meat. It's rare that I ever go a day without eating meat. It's pretty much impossible that I'm going to give up eating it in my lifetime. Yet I know it's wrong. I accept my hypocrisy. I assume there are many, if not most like me. Then there are the people who try to rationalize the industry of animal death catered to our particular, unnecessary appetites.

When (if ever) do you see humans having converted to an animal-free diet? How long till we're looked back as on as cruel barbarians by our future ancestors who will never know the sweet taste of a perfectly cooked steak?

I have your new avatar OP

 

[xbhaskarx]

When those who eat meat get wiped out by a deadly virus.

#12MonkeysSequel

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Capability of eating meat is not the same as morality of eating meat.

For instance, humans are perfectly capable of cannibalism, yet it is perhaps among the most repugnant concepts to many people.

Likewise, I doubt you would look at humanity's lengthy history of mass rape and murder and use that as a moral argument in favor of those things.

"Because we can" and "because we always have" are not convincing moral arguments.

There is a perfectly good biological argument against cannibalism, mainly Kuru disease.
You can use that argument for our huge factory farming ie rise of mad cow, but it's not exactly the same.

 

[Zantetsuken]

More people giving up meat = more meat for me.

I like this man’s thinking.

 

[PartlyCloudlike]

Food stuffs like meat is part of cultural identity. I can't imagine all the vietnamese foods I would no longer be able to eat if we gave up meat since it's the focal point of so many dishes.

 

[UrokeJoe]

For one of my High School reports, I did an essay on the Amazon Rainforest and it's quickly being destroyed because of beef.

China demands more beef so Brazil starts chopping down trees to raise more cows.

We'll have to stop if it reaches a point of extreme environmental damage.

Exactly. I used to have tri-tip all to myself and now everyone wants it. Fuck this supply and demand crap. It's not good I tell you.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

What the fuck is this "it's wrong" garbage?

 

[Flo_Evans]

I think this is also a good opportunity to let Americans know that the quality of their meat sucks ass. Some of you really don't know what you're missing.

I hear kangaroo is delicious.

 

[Necromanti]

Insects are the solution. Delicious, processed, larvae nuggets.

 

[PaulloDEC]

Eating less, or no meat actually helps.

Maybe if I convinced a few hundred people to join me. Just me, though? I'd be pretty surprised.

 

[akira28]

over my dead, clean picked bones.

 

[Manmademan]

We know that we don't need meat. We could survive perfectly well without it and still have a healthy diet. We know that killing all these delicious animals is purely to satisfy our taste.

I fucking love eating meat. It's rare that I ever go a day without eating meat. It's pretty much impossible that I'm going to give up eating it in my lifetime. Yet I know it's wrong. I accept my hypocrisy. I assume there are many, if not most like me. Then there are the people who try to rationalize the industry of animal death catered to our particular, unnecessary appetites.

When (if ever) do you see humans having converted to an animal-free diet? How long till we're looked back as on as cruel barbarians by our future ancestors who will never know the sweet taste of a perfectly cooked steak?

well this is odd. was that movie thread responsible for this one?

 

[Dastardly Jerks]

Your vegan utopia will never exist, and you're better off learning to cope with the reality of the situation more than you are wasting energy on dreaming about it.

We're humans. We do terrible things. Eating meat isn't one of them. But our inhumane treatment of animals is.

 

[ronito]

It's happening next Tuesday at 7:13 pm.

 

[Discotheque]

i'll accept being biased against animals for my love of meat.

 

[akira28]

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I fucking love eating meat. It's rare that I ever go a day without eating meat. It's pretty much impossible that I'm going to give up eating it in my lifetime. Yet I know it's wrong. I accept my hypocrisy.

stop playin, sculli. and eat your meat.

 

[Lebron]

Nah. We're not Pandas, one of the most useless mammals ever.

 

[mantidor]

If we do it won't be by choice. Global warming, a crazy world war aftermath where vegetarianism becomes the new norm, disease, etc.

We could come up with animal/human speech translators and I'll still eat 'em

If meat ever became too expensive, our palates would adjust and it would be normative to not eat meat, at that point reintroducing it would probably seem like more trouble than it is worth.

Not happening. There's a reason people evolved to like the taste of sugars and fats. It is fundamental to our nutrition and it used to be scarce. Our intelligence worked against us there. now we produced things with those tastes in insane quantities and both the environment and our health are at risk. But this used to be a "luxury", if meat or sugars current ease of access was taken away by either prices or catastrophe, and then it came back, it's popularity would be just as strong as it was before. It's pretty much like sex, yes, you don't need to have sex to "live", but try to take it away, or to repress it for too long.

I don't think what we do is balance. We have entire industries and industrial mechanisms devoted to slaughter. Slightly different from the Predator/Prey cycle.

And again, I don't plan on ever giving up eating meat. I love it too much.

This is really the problem, and is not just meat production, but then again without mass food production we wouldn't have the mega cities we have now, maybe not even the technology we have now. Vegetarians and vegans like to paint a really naive picture of everyone buying organic, but it is far from being that simple. Try to feed a 10 million people city with organic farms and no meat while keeping the population healthy.

 

[Vio-Lence]

Why is eating meat wrong?

 

[njean777]

Your vegan utopia will never exist, and you're better off learning to cope with the reality of the situation more than you are wasting energy on dreaming about it.

We're humans. We do terrible things. Eating meat isn't one of them. But our inhumane treatment of animals is.

He never talked about a Utopia, you are assuming that or using it wrongly. It is still worth questioning why we eat meat, and why we think slaughter of innocent animals is acceptable in order to satisfy us even though we do not need their meat to survive.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

No. Even if we make perfect synthetic copies, there would still be "the real thing" around.

Once we are able to create perfect synthetic meat that is as affordable as regular meat, there should be no reason to still produce natural meat.

 

[Manmademan]

He never talked about a Utopia, you are assuming that or using it wrongly. It is still worth questioning why we eat meat, and why we think slaughter of innocent animals is acceptable in order to satisfy us even though we do not need their meat to survive.

why do we assume animals are innocent? Ducks and Dolphins are known rapists

 

[akira28]

We need to plan for sustainability. We need to conserve and preserve and grow more of and refine, and eat. Eat it all. Never stop eating meat. Eat bugs as well.

I, unfortunately am allergic to bugs. So I can't enjoy this new change with you.

If morality is a problem, if it's the terrible factory farming conditions, that can be fixed. If its not enough arable land or not enough grain or water, thats bullshit, it's literally all there, you just have to figure out how to manage it, and we're to busy not doing that.

We'll stop eating meat when the US succumbs to the metric system.

which will never happen.

 

[AAAnonymous]

We'll stop eating meat when the US succumbs to the metric system.

 

[njean777]

why do we assume animals are innocent? Ducks and Dolphins are known rapists

They could be "raping" for a reason (that we fail to understand at this point). We still do not know the in's and outs of animal behavior 100%.

I btw eat meat and accept that I am a hypocrite 100%. I think it is wrong, yet I still do it. That does not mean that there is no reason to question anything. Nothing is black and white and we as humans should examine what and why we do things even if it seems like a waste of time.

 

[tokyostomp]

Eating meat isn't wrong

 

[mantidor]

Insects are the solution. Delicious, processed, larvae nuggets.

I have no doubt the future will be this.

 

[Dastardly Jerks]

He never talked about a Utopia, you are assuming that or using it wrongly.

It's a loose jab at the ideal of not eating meat being equivalent of a vegan utopia and not one implicitly stated by the OP.

It is still worth questioning why we eat meat, and why we think slaughter of innocent animals is acceptable in order to satisfy us even though we do not need their meat to survive.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I have no doubt the future will be this.

No thanks.

 

[UrokeJoe]

They could be "raping" for a reason (that we fail to understand at this point). We still do not know the in's and outs of animal behavior 100%.

I btw eat meat and accept that I am a hypocrite 100%. I think it is wrong, yet I still do it. That does not mean that there is no reason to question anything. Nothing is black and white and we as humans should examine what and why we do things even if it seems like a waste of time.

So in the meantime NeoGaf.

 

[FZZ]

its past 5 o clock bro, chow down.

California man. Don't break fast until 8.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

We won't ever have to give up eating meat. We will be able to develop tasty meat in artificial ways that do not require the slaughter of conscious beings. We've already made the first steps actually.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

Not happening. There's a reason people evolved to like the taste of sugars and fats. It is fundamental to our nutrition and it used to be scarce. Our intelligence worked against us there. now we produced things with those tastes in insane quantities and both the environment and our health are at risk. But this used to be a "luxury", if meat or sugars current ease of access was taken away by either prices or catastrophe, and then it came back, it's popularity would be just as strong as it was before. It's pretty much like sex, yes, you don't need to have sex to "live", but try to take it away, or to repress it for too long.

If I don't eat meat for a while, I generally lose my appetite for it. Granted I'm not everyone, though. Aspects of a diet that includes meat can be a bit grisly, but generally we don't see it that way because it's regularly in a different context.

 

[FUME5]

When the farm animals start talking.

 

[kirby_fox]

I've watched Food Inc. I've seen where everything comes from. Been to a farm and found out the chickens that are raised there eat everything- never knew they were omnivores and eat other birds and mice even.

But even after all of that, I can cook a steak, chicken breast, whatever- and not give a damn.

It pains me more that when I worked at a grocery store, our meat department threw away more meat than it sold a lot of times. Stuff that could have been used to feed people that are hungry.

 

[njean777]

It's a loose jab at the ideal of not eating meat being equivalent of a vegan utopia and not one implicitly stated by the OP.

Great you posted a picture, now tell me that the way we acquire our meat today is not wrong and immoral. We have the most advanced brain of any animals and we should use it in order to stop systematically slaughtering and abusing the meat we eat.

 

[KillGore]

I am absolutely baffled at the idea that you assume we don't eat it because you couldn't find it lol.

Last time I was there was around 8 years ago. Went to a lot of restaurants and couldn't find skirt steak on the menu. Many different steaks (like T-bone) but not skirt steak. Went to two grocery stores and didn't see them either, but I guess I didn't look well enough.

There's skirt steak in almost every restaurant here, including american restaurant chain like Long Horn, Applebees, Sizzler, Dennys, Chilis, Romano's Macaroni Grill, etc. but I don't remember seeing them over there, I just checked their menu online and don't even see it, so it might be regional?

 

[Sectorseven]

Lab meat sounds like it would go great with astronaut food.

 

[brian577]

Not for for a long time if ever. Even if we manage to make an economical artificial meat it will mostly be found in McDonalds and not in your local grocer. There will always be people who want the real deal.

Once we are able to create perfect synthetic meat that is as affordable as regular meat, there should be no reason to still produce natural meat.

Even if it is "perfect" there will be those who claim to be able to taste the difference.

 

[Captain Europe]

Maybe if I convinced a few hundred people to join me. Just me, though? I'd be pretty surprised.

One person going without meat for a few days per weeks helps, google it if you're interested.

Less meat being sold = less meat being produced, it's that simple really.

 

[akira28]

I want conscious being meat.

wait..