That doesnt work at all considering we know the hardware involved, we all KNOW for FACT the ps4 can do more than the Xbox one, you cant say the same the other way around. Any more defenses that need knocking down ?
Assassin's Creed "Parity": Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One
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That doesnt work at all considering we know the hardware involved, we all KNOW for FACT the ps4 can do more than the Xbox one, you cant say the same the other way around. Any more defenses that need knocking down ?
I don't understand why I have to suffer because a company with bigger pockets put out a system that can't hack it? It's like are people afraid to hurt Microsoft's feelings in the industry? I hear a lot of 'who cares' but that's coming from people not effected by this. Now if it's a one time thing, who cares you know? But if this becomes a trend it is truly disgusting.
The Albatross
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It's a mighty big jump going from "the ps4 is more powerful than the Xbox one" to "any ps4 games that aren't my optimal resolution means Microsoft bribed the developer to make the game worse"
Ubi has lost their fucking mind this week.
To be honest, I don't agree with his notion but it is valid. You might know the hardware but that still doesn't mean sony didn't pay ubisoft to lower the specs of the xb1 version (though I highly doubt they did).
Begaria
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Sttttttttttttttttttttrike 1!
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3...-creed-unity-lacks-female-leads/1100-6420359/
Stttttttttttttttttttrike 2!
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/syst...-unity-is-900p-30fps-on-both-ps4-xb-31601987/
STTTTTTTTTTTTRIKE 3!
Seriously, Ubisoft?! You're lucky you had the balls to release games like Child of Light and Valiant Hearts this year to keep me barely on your good side. This handling over Unity's PR is just god damn atrocious.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3...-creed-unity-lacks-female-leads/1100-6420359/
Stttttttttttttttttttrike 2!
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/syst...-unity-is-900p-30fps-on-both-ps4-xb-31601987/
STTTTTTTTTTTTRIKE 3!
Seriously, Ubisoft?! You're lucky you had the balls to release games like Child of Light and Valiant Hearts this year to keep me barely on your good side. This handling over Unity's PR is just god damn atrocious.
Cave Johnson
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From parity to locking framerates. Either they're spouting platitudes to distract the backlash or they've fucked up so much on both the PR and technical side that they've just gone batshit insane.
How can something so simple as addressing the parity rate be so difficult for them? It's just excuses on top of excuses that it only gives credence to the criticism levelled at the "parity" issue that they have no reasonable comeback other than admitting it.
I'm keeping track on this thread because it just keeps getting more insane the more Ubisoft keeps spouting this drivel.
How can something so simple as addressing the parity rate be so difficult for them? It's just excuses on top of excuses that it only gives credence to the criticism levelled at the "parity" issue that they have no reasonable comeback other than admitting it.
I'm keeping track on this thread because it just keeps getting more insane the more Ubisoft keeps spouting this drivel.
Nah, they don't mind all the debates and stuff between PC and console, they only have a problem with debates and stuff between consoles.
thelastcrusader
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I know! I'm honestly amazed at how poorly they're handling this. Just announce 1080p Ps4 so I can purchase this already or say 900p so I know I'm not giving them a dime.
Astral Dog
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Guys,what would happen if the XBO version has a few enchantments?
Like slighty better shadows, AA, or textures, lightning,etc.
Like slighty better shadows, AA, or textures, lightning,etc.
shadowsdarknes
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Probably would mean that the PS4 version was neglected.
Chances are, getting the PS4 version to 900p took a fraction of the effort as it did to get the Xbone up to speed.
So while they were getting the game up to speed, they also gave more polish along the way.
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MastaKilla
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Wow .. I cant buy this game now. Not because its 900p and 30fps, but because Ubisoft thinks I'm a dumbass and is full of shit. What a statement to make.
Then they failed even more I guess? What's the point of making a whole new "next gen" engine when it performs worse and looks barely better than their old one?
ItsTheNew
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Y'know pc like graphic options would be great for consoles. We are slowly getting there with uncapped frame rates vs capped, let's go for the gusto like ffxiv and give us resolution options and aa options. Tired of these blurry ass games with a terrible pc port being the only other option
Haint
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Open world gold standard.
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ROUGE_BLOCK
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This article is gold! Seriously who are these "people" who feel that 30 fps feels better than 60 fps? More frames mean more fluid movement and more intuitive response from controls, it plays better.
Also more cinematic at 30fps? Seriously where does this insane mindset come from? A game with more frames will look and play better. The Hobbit metaphor has nothing to do with circumstance, an animated game at higher framerates is experienced differently than a damn live action movie running at 48fps.
I'm not against AC games using 30 fps, however I wish they would not give stupider and stupider reasons as why this should be the standard opposed to 60 frames.
PeregrinSe7en
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yet the pc version has no bearing on the topic at hand.
how hard is it to grasp really?
Oh dear the circle goes round and round.
I'm one of the few who can't tell the difference between 30FPS and 60 FPS lol I really wish I could tell the difference
ROUGE_BLOCK
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I think a good game to actually see how higher frames play more fluid is titanfall on the xbox 360. If you keep it as an unlocked framerate it bounced between 30-45 fps. So this helped me to see how the game played more fluidly because it felt more responsive. I think everyone can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps, they just do not take notice of how the moving image seems moving more fluidly.
If you remember how Halo 2 or any other Halo game played, this download of Halo 2 anniversary footage that was shared in the "warlock" reveal thread should help to show the more fluid movement. http://news.xbox.com/api/mediacart/download/3806624361564b87b1c66f573ce931a0
Have you ever compared it on PC? Even if you have integrated poop graphics, you should be able to get a free to play game running in 60 and 30fps. Use fraps to easily monitor the framerate.
TetraGenesis
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Oh my god. They can't be serious. They are saying ALL the wrong things right now. It's like they're trying to kick the hornet's nest!
I'm not buying this game anymore. I was looking forward to it too. I waited for the Destiny Bundle PS4 and, well that's what I'll be playing.
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CambriaRising
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I envy you.
justsomeguy
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Huh, what's the contention? They'd do 100 if they could, they'd do 60 if they could,but settled on 30 because otherwise the game would have had terrible ai or looked bad in their opinion.
Imagine asscreed with forza 5 crowds, cos that's what I am imagining for the theoretical high dps version.
Edit: The stuff in the article which isn't quoted is more worthy of discussion I think...
justsomeguy
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I'm assuming you haven't played it on xbox? It was totally the right call. Runs buttery smooth almost all the time.
Poimandres
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Oh man, that new interview is ridiculous! They sure are doing a good job of avoiding debates and stuff.
Here's a tip: you don't need to bend over backwards to defend your design decisions.
All the needed to say was "we targeted 30fps so we could acheive a higher level of graphical fidelity." Maybe throw in something about open world, large crowds, amazing effects etc. It's a reasonable decision that a lot of developers make.
Here's a tip: you don't need to bend over backwards to defend your design decisions.
All the needed to say was "we targeted 30fps so we could acheive a higher level of graphical fidelity." Maybe throw in something about open world, large crowds, amazing effects etc. It's a reasonable decision that a lot of developers make.
Oh come on! I mean I hope this is sarcasm. This game could be good/great. I refuse to believe that games become shit just because of parity.
You really don't feel it while playing?
Sometimes, when trying one of the many online test, I get it wrong too, but when I play a game, I imidietly feel the difference.
Poimandres
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The contention is two fold:
- 30fps feels more cinematic
- It actually feels better for people when it's at 30fps
I mean... neither of these claims stands up to any scrutiny. They are up there with the worst possible things people can say about 30fps vs 60fps!
Head.spawn
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Wow, it seems like Ubisoft is just straight up trolling at this point. Like blatantly.
That test tells me my mobile cant view it properly even tho I am on my PC at this very moment wtf?
matrixman92
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hey, I am about to get destroyed, but I kind of agree with him. 60 fps makes some games feel off to me, i dont know how to describe it. They have that artificial fake look to them, that is the best I can describe the feeling.
Runs buttery smooth all the time most of the time. Bet it was fine before tho.
orthodoxy1095
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I don't understand this preference, but that's why games need a 30 fps and 60 fps setting to account for different tastes and desires in their experience.
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But listen, don't beat it around the bush with this crap, the Hobbit, the SoapOpera, the Cinematic... just go for a simple but honest: We prefer to push eye candy over framerate, because it's easier to sell in our patented bullshots, and we can usually barely keep those 30fps, let alone 60.
At least i won't feel talked down to.
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Then again i'm playing on PC anyway, so it's not like it's gonna change anything for me, since with WatchDogs i would get stuttering no matter the configuration and no matter the hardware i was packing.
Stockholm syndrome is what it's called.
Wow....it's like they've fired their entire PR department...they should just stop talking and go with the "no comments" stance on this until release. They are just making it worse and worse at this point with all their obvious lies.
I guess this also confirms that PC will be locked at 30 fps since "it feels more cinematic" and lets them "push everything to the maximum!"
Man, my head hurts being exposed to their stupidity and watching it all unfold like a bad dream.
I'm with you, 30fps depending the game can feel better to me than 60fps. People scoff at the cinematic statements made by more and more developers, but to be honest I actually agree many times with those statements.
I don't doubt they can't run the game at 60 fps frankly, i just don'ìt like the bullshit rationalizations like "soap opera effect".
Just say it outright that 60fps is not a good enough trade off for whatever you want to put in the game, be it eye candy or huge crowds.
Lowest common denominator would be an acceptable approach if
1) xbox was the market leader and therefore your orimary development platform
2) PS4 was complicated to work on like PS3 and you couldn't justify the effort required to tap that extra power.
However neither is true. It has never been easier to utilise that extra power. Both consoles have almost identical architectures, and engines are built to be scalable because of PC. So you could almost literally change a config file on the PS4 version to use higher res shadows, or better AO, or higher LOD settings, or any of a range of things that are designed to be scalable.
If Ubisoft are so keen to avoid arguments, why not cap the PC version at 900p/30, with xbox one level settings?
sobaka770
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Unless you have on a PC, the problem with current 60 FPS console games is that the trade-offs are very big.
The dev basically says that instead of pushing 60 FPS, they can increase the image quality (i.e. shadows, shading, other effects). They also believe that 30 FPS is what most studios will do this gen.
You know what? He's damn right! Sure, the whole 30 FPS looks better is a soothing marketing claim, but, in all honesty, this gen there's still too much visual trade-off in games, especially open-world to shoot for 60 FPS and good image quality.
The most recent example is Driveclub which runs at solid 30 FPS and people are astounded by graphic quality, while handling is actually considered as quite good. And this is the closed-circuit racing game, where "60 FPS is a must" for some people.
I prefer to play games at 60 FPS over 30 any time of the day, but current-gen hardware is not an Nvidia Titan-i7, Haswell-E packed monsters. They're basically mid-range PCs where to game at 60 FPS you have to put all settings to low. Well, I'd rather put them on high and take some FPS hit, when the game is all about creating a believable world. And be prepared that most devs will also ship games at 30 FPS, because Ubi is right and for most games this gen, it'll be a good call.
Yeah, they should just be honest about it, since they obviously couldn't meet their original target of 1080p/60 or even 1080p/30.
Next week on Ubisoft TV:
At Ubisoft for a long time we wanted to push 1080p. I don't think it was a good idea because you don't gain that much from 1080p and it doesn't look like the real thing.
They must really think that their customers are total morons otherwise they wouldn't tell us such nonsense.
At Ubisoft for a long time we wanted to push 1080p. I don't think it was a good idea because you don't gain that much from 1080p and it doesn't look like the real thing.
They must really think that their customers are total morons otherwise they wouldn't tell us such nonsense.
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