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[Valor]

Oh good, I pretty much avoid it like the plague anyways.

While Skillspeed isn't weighted as heavily as Det and Crit, you may not have any options as you're gearing up to get some. I don't really agree with having base skill speed. Attacking more > attacking less, but the tricky part is figuring out how much skill speed to carry with you before it becomes a burden.

Basically, don't worry about your skill speed stat until it becomes a problem. Just let it happen and deal with it. So much BRD stuff carries it these days it's impossible to avoid it.

 

[BadRNG]

Echo is a bit of a double edged sword with how the late game fight mechanics are designed. It helps players get through the content but it prevents them from being prepared at all. 2.0 was really well done in terms of difficulty pacing, even AK was a bit of a challenge when you were first hitting 50 and in all af. The relic chain itself was also a great teaching tool in that gear. First coil then introduced some of the key concepts that would prove to be pivotal to later fights.

Now there's no real intermediary between how easy leveling is and the end game. And the developers love to reuse mechanics with a twist, but most players have no basis that was built on. The positional awareness of where you are in regards to the rest of your party is a big one a lot of people don't have, and it was taught way back in t2!

Spoiler

for people who actually did the fight properly

 

[Talaysen]

While Skillspeed isn't weighted as heavily as Det and Crit, you may not have any options as you're gearing up to get some. I don't really agree with having base skill speed. Attacking more > attacking less, but the tricky part is figuring out how much skill speed to carry with you before it becomes a burden.

Basically, don't worry about your skill speed stat until it becomes a problem. Just let it happen and deal with it. So much BRD stuff carries it these days it's impossible to avoid it.

Base skill speed is fine as long as the stats that would be going into skill speed are going into another useful stat. But it's not something you need to completely avoid since it's never a DPS loss to have more skill speed.

 

[Tabris]

Base skill speed is fine as long as the stats that would be going into skill speed are going into another useful stat. But it's not something you need to completely avoid since it's never a DPS loss to have more skill speed.

It is actually. Running out of TP due to skill speed is a serious issue in Final Coil and drops your DPS huge.

 

[tiggerkiddo]

At the moment, I need to lose some accuracy. I'm pushing nearly 600 accuracy, no bueno.

 

[Talaysen]

It is actually. Running out of TP due to skill speed is a serious issue in Final Coil and drops your DPS huge.

Your damage output before that point always compensates for the loss of DPS you have when you run out of TP. At a point you may end up with equal DPS, but never less.

 

[Ken]

If you're TP starved you need to invigorate/call for Goad/call for Paeon better.

 

[Frumix]

Question to bards out there.
Is it a good idea to just macro and Heavy Shot, Misery's End, Bloodletter together and then mash 1 till your hand falls off?

 

[rubius01]

Question to bards out there.
Is it a good idea to just macro Misery's End, Bloodletter and Heavy Shot together and then mash 1 till your hand falls off?

It takes from your dps if you do that, but only if you are some sort of badass with the best internet connection on earth. Otherwise do it, but make sure you put it in the correct order. HS, ME, BL

 

[Ken]

Question to bards out there.
Is it a good idea to just macro Misery's End, Bloodletter and Heavy Shot together and then mash 1 till your hand falls off?

I only macro ME and BT together so I'm more in control of my off GCD.

 

[Frumix]

It takes from your dps if you do that, but only if you are some sort of badass with the best internet connection on earth. Otherwise do it, but make sure you put it in the correct order. HS, ME, BL

How so? I can't mash three buttons faster than I can one. If HS is always on priority then GCD will always be maintained, no?
The only thing I can think of is that macros do not queue but idk.

 

[iammeiam]

Thisclose to just tossing a couple million at MC Demi so I can get the mining supra, but holding out for 2.45 on the off chance that wedding rings do for master craft what shoes did for FC3s.

Question to bards out there.
Is it a good idea to just macro and Heavy Shot, Misery's End, Bloodletter together and then mash 1 till your hand falls off?

You lose command queuing Heavy Shot which may or may not be a thing for you, but you also chance activating a Bloodletter/Misery's End too late and pushing your next GCD out further because animation lock.

 

[Ken]

How so? I can't mash three buttons faster than I can one. If HS is always on priority then GCD will always be maintained, no?

I think his macro is reversed? Should be ME/BT and then HS. I think either order works but with varying degrees of clunkiness.

But still I don't advise having a WS with an ability on the same macro.

 

[rubius01]

I think his macro is reversed? Should be ME/BT and then HS. I think either order works but with varying degrees of clunkiness.

But still I don't advise having a WS with an ability on the same macro.

The macro is fine. It makes sure that BL will only occur on GCD.

The reason is that macros take away from your dps is that there is like a one or two frame buffer you can take advantage of. I guess it adds up in a long 10+ minute fight, but I haven't "seen the receipts" from people who claim this.

 

[Talaysen]

I think his macro is reversed? Should be ME/BT and then HS. But still I don't advise having a WS with an ability on the same macro.

Heavy Shot goes before the others because you always want to use your GCD abilities as soon as they're up.

You lose command queuing Heavy Shot which may or may not be a thing for you, but you also chance activating a Bloodletter/Misery's End too late and pushing your next GCD out further because animation lock.

These are the reasons why doing this macro is technically a DPS loss. I do it anyways because I'm bad at watching for Bloodletter procs all the time, and if I miss any of those that's also a DPS loss anyways. I haven't seen any information on how much DPS you actually lose by doing it.

If you're going to do the macro, I suggest putting a face target command in as well. There's no downside to adding it and it can help with making sure you're facing the right direction for auto attacks. Just be careful if you use it in turn 7.

 

[Ken]

The macro is fine. It makes sure that BL will only occur on GCD.

The reason is that macros take away from your dps is that there is like a one or two frame buffer you can take advantage of. I guess it adds up in a long 10+ minute fight, but I haven't "seen the receipts" from people who claim this.

I'm confused; don't you not want BL to occur on GCD?

Oh nevermind, I'm using the terms differently I think.

 

[rubius01]

You lose command queuing Heavy Shot which may or may not be a thing for you, but you also chance activating a Bloodletter/Misery's End too late and pushing your next GCD out further because animation lock.

OK, i'm confused on what exactly the animation lock is. Can't you just do an animation cancel? That's what I do all the time.

 

[Frumix]

OK, i'm confused on what exactly the animation lock is. Can't you just do an animation cancel? That's what I do all the time.

Some actions cancel faster than others.

 

[IvorB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_DLBVIZXfI

What about heart?!?!

(I now understand your obsession with elemental ponies).

 

[Taruranto]

Speaking of people pressing buttons, I was visiting T6 the other day when suddenly

Yoshi was right. Giving people choice is fruitless.

Never forget.

 

[Isaccard]

Legit novus right there

 

[IvorB]

Never forget.

Shame. I feel bad for that guy. He obviously meant spell speed but made a mistake. Hopefully someone put him right.

 

[scy]

Your damage output before that point always compensates for the loss of DPS you have when you run out of TP. At a point you may end up with equal DPS, but never less.

Just to note, this is only 100% true on strict rotation classes (e.g., MNK, DRG) where going faster just speeds up the rotation. BRD's priority system (and DoTs, procs) means you're just spending TP faster on more GCDs used where your primary GCD skill isn't your best use of your TP. That said, yes, it'll increase your DPS before you run out of TP but it'll just do so inefficiently. If you have a huge planned downtime in the fight to regen, however, it's not exactly a bad idea to just burn faster early and regen anyway.

...I'd still actively avoid Skill Speed, though. It'll never beat out a Crit or Det item.

I haven't seen any information on how much DPS you actually lose by doing it.

It's essentially whatever your latency is per GCD since you'll lose the ability to buffer the input. So assuming decent ping, you'll lose a GCD around every 30-40 GCDs.

 

[Valor]

I feel like the only reason to macro BL and ME together is if you're bad at watching for procs. It's really not too bad once you get the hang of it. Macroing them on to Heavy Shot isn't really a bad idea, persay, but it bugged the hell out of me that I couldn't queue the macro up, so it felt like it was slowing down my DPS since I needed to actually time the moment my GCD stopped spinning to throw a Heavy Shot the instant I'm able to. So, for me, it's less of a numbers issue and more of a "feel" issue. It doesn't feel right when I use macros, so I don't. I see bard as having a weird rhythm to it, so I just go with it.

Also, running out of TP is a problem in Final Coil, sure, but that's why it's important to use your Invigorate at the right time and to Paeon before you need it.

 

[Talaysen]

Just to note, this is only 100% true on strict rotation classes (e.g., MNK, DRG) where going faster just speeds up the rotation. BRD's priority system (and DoTs, procs) means you're just spending TP faster on more GCDs used where your primary GCD skill isn't your best use of your TP. That said, yes, it'll increase your DPS before you run out of TP but it'll just do so inefficiently. If you have a huge planned downtime in the fight to regen, however, it's not exactly a bad idea to just burn faster early and regen anyway.

...I'd still actively avoid Skill Speed, though. It'll never beat out a Crit or Det item.

That's a good point. In theory you can compensate for that by just pushing your buttons slower but that's a pain to do. The other thing is that if you burn your TP faster, you can put Invigorate on cooldown faster (and burn bard's MP on Paeon faster). Also, if you can squeeze an extra GCD on cooldowns, you can play smartly and make sure you always have enough TP for the times when those are up.

So technically, I believe it's always a DPS boost if you manage your TP smartly, but that's just annoying to do and pretty awkward. I'm not really advocating using skill speed here or anything, just saying it's not as bad as people think. Crit and det are definitely better.

It's essentially whatever your latency is per GCD since you'll lose the ability to buffer the input. So assuming decent ping, you'll lose a GCD around every 30-40 GCDs.

So 2-3% DPS loss? That's not too bad. If I played bard in serious content I'd consider getting good and taking the macro off but I don't anymore.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

That's a good point. In theory you can compensate for that by just pushing your buttons slower but that's a pain to do. The other thing is that if you burn your TP faster, you can put Invigorate on cooldown faster (and burn bard's MP on Paeon faster). Also, if you can squeeze an extra GCD on cooldowns, you can play smartly and make sure you always have enough TP for the times when those are up.

So technically, I believe it's always a DPS boost if you manage your TP smartly, but that's just annoying to do and pretty awkward. I'm not really advocating using skill speed here or anything, just saying it's not as bad as people think. Crit and det are definitely better.

Pushing your buttons slower would also result in lower dps and completely negate any effect that SS on your gear would have. If you're just going to waste stats by not making use of what you have to it's full effect, then why even bother using that gear when even lower ilvl pieces could be better if they're better itemized?

There is no "managing your tp smartly" when it comes to a dmg dealer. You either go full at it and maximize your potential, running out of tp fast without help, or you play it slow and gimp yourself and your raid by not giving it your all just so you can worry about tp less.

 

[Crazyeyez15]

Might be switching servers my static fell apart on Midgard. Any room in gaf FC ?

 

[Tabris]

I really have to wonder why people play this game if they are not actively trying to beat T9 to T13. This game would be so boring without the challenge of Coil.

So for those of you not doing Final Coil, what do you do when in game and why?

EDIT - Assuming that player is caught up on content / has been playing for a while.

 

[Stuart444]

Might be switching servers my static fell apart on Midgard. Any room in gaf FC ?

Plenty of room, just apply on the site and then find someone in game and apply from the company profile menu

I really have to wonder why people play this game if they are not actively trying to beat T9 to T13. This game would be so boring without the challenge of Coil.

So for those of you not doing Final Coil, what do you do when in game and why?

EDIT - Assuming that player is caught up on content / has been playing for a while.

People like different things? Some folks are happy just playing with crafting and/or gathering/fishing. Others prefer to do casual content or enjoy the main storyline and are just doing casual content while waiting for the next major patch with new story quests.

Probably other reasons I'm missing as well but yeah. Plenty of reasons people who don't like raid content may continue playing. Might even have more reason once the Golden Saucer stuff comes into game (triple triad, chocobo racing, etc)

Different strokes and all.

 

[empressdonna]

So for those of you not doing Final Coil, what do you do when in game and why?

Right now, working on getting poetics gear for my WHM and better accessories followed by gearing BRD and finally SMN. Not anywhere near doing FCoB since I've got T7-T9 to do but I don't mind taking my time since it means I can level up DoH/DoL and LNC for cross-class skills for my BRD.

Mostly doing DoH/DoL so I don't need to buy as much off the MB.

 

[Tabris]

Yeah, but the story takes no time to complete. There's no gate to get through for the story.

I'm level 50 in all crafting and gathering, and that didn't take much time with leves. So the only thing that takes time is big game fishing or trying to make a lot of gil by constantly crafting. Still though, there's no challenge in any of that, just grind & time.

 

[Stuart444]

Yeah, but the story takes no time to complete. There's no gate to get through for the story.

I'm level 50 in all crafting and gathering, and that didn't take much time with leves. So the only thing that takes time is big game fishing or trying to make a lot of gil by constantly crafting. Still though, there's no challenge in any of that, just grind & time.

(I wrote far more than I planned on >_> so here's a tl;dr: Different strokes, different mindsets. They may not understand your mindset in regards to the game just like you may not understand their mindset)


On Story: Some people are probably just doing random things while they wait for new story content.

As for being level 50 in all DoH/DoL. Considering leves take a week or two to get up far enough that you can max one class out, I would say it takes quite a bit of time.

There is even plenty of casual content for people who want gear without bothering to do coil. (Sol/Poetics), others probably just play the game to play with their friends even if it's just doing casual content (ST, dungeons, etc) without any real goal.

Yes, some people play the game without any real goal apart from playing and having fun. If they stop having fun, people can easily unsub and then resub when a new patch comes out.

At the end of the day, that's just it. Some people play the game for fun but without any real goal. That might be hard for some of the high end raiders to understand but really, it's just a different mindset within the game.

Some people also just have like an hour or two to play each day. Those people could be playing catch up for the rest of the games life considering queue times for dungeons and cutscene times during the story. Those people won't be bored yet because they don't have the time others do to play all the content every new patch. (unlike a lot of the hardcores who consume everything within weeks and are complaining about being bored until the next patch )

 

[iammeiam]

Glorified chat room with nice emotes where I can occasionally kill things? I dunno. I spend a lot of time logged in and reading/playing something else on Vita/watching Netflix/doing crap around the house.

People need bodies for stuff periodically (help night, pony addiction feeding), occasionally I'll feel like playing the fishing lottery or trying to grind out some two-star crafting stuff, or just flat out make money so I can buy gathering crap. I may or may not try dragging another class to 50 in a week or two if I can figure out what else to try. Plus the occasional.bout of DFing whatever random content because I feel like it or I want to see the disaster.

There's a ton of stuff I could be doing that I just won't because it requires attention while still being tedious (Any roulette other than trial, dailies, etc.)

It mostly amounts to force of habit and being able to run the game in the background while doing all the crap I'd be doing anyway if I wasn't logged in with the occasional burst of things happening occasionally. Which I can do without finding 7 other people with compatible schedules that a.) I can stand and b.) can stand me. Coil doesn't have that.

 

[Tabris]

Sounds boring to me. I guess I'm of the opinion why not play other games then? But yes, different strokes and all that jazz.

 

[Sorian]

Sounds boring to me. I guess I'm of the opinion why not play other games then? But yes, different strokes and all that jazz.

A lot of people who play MMOs casually do it for the friends they've made. It's much more common for someone to be logged in using an MMO as a chat room while playing some other game than using that MMO to fight through the newest progression raid or pvp or whatever.

 

[suzu]

I do a little bit of everything and when I get bored.. I take a break or just unsub until the next patch. And I've got my fill of raiding from playing FF11/WoW, so I haven't felt the urge to do it yet in FF14.

 

[irfaanator]

1/2 germans have come back. now scything won't be alone

 

[BadRNG]

Sounds boring to me. I guess I'm of the opinion why not play other games then? But yes, different strokes and all that jazz.

I'm same boat, if I don't have something specific I need to do in game I just don't log in and do something else. People who still spend hours every day in-game amaze me.

Outside of tome capping I don't have much reason to log in on non-coil days. The only two things I'd otherwise like to do are gated by fairly bad queue times (PvP and finishing off leveling NIN

Spoiler

no thanks on fate grinding

)

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Ps4 keeps telling me connection to server has been lost.

I'm assuming this is a PSN thing right? As the game hasn't actually connected to SE servers yet?

 

[rubius01]

PSN DDOS? PS4 master race, huh riou?

 

[Tabris]

PSN DDOS? PS4 master race, huh riou?

You can talk when you don't have a run with network issues or having to reboot computer every run

 

[tiggerkiddo]

I think I spend more time just sitting in Limsa and being afk while doing other things on the computer or playing other games and only hopping on again if they talk about doing something on mumble. Without doing Coil on a regular basis, this game got really boring...=/

 

[aceface]

Not sure if this got posted here, a demo of THE PRIMALS cd with snippets of the songs:
http://wodarskitech.com/?p=9

While not my favorite in game I think the most interesting arrangement here is the Ifrit song.

Also, anyone else of the opinion that maybe Soken should start hiring professional vocalists instead of pulling random people off the dev team to sing? No disrespect to Koji of course.

 

[iammeiam]

Dear SE,

For the love of god, please stop with the open shirt + bra look. It's lazy and when a not insubstantial portion of your playerbase looks like a potato it just doesn't work.

I promise catgirls will survive with actual shirts after a brief adjustment period.

Thanks.

 

[irfaanator]

Dear SE,

For the love of god, please stop with the open shirt + bra look. It's lazy and when a not insubstantial portion of your playerbase looks like a potato it just doesn't work.



I promise catgirls will survive with actual shirts after a brief adjustment period.

Thanks.

.

 

[IvorB]

I really have to wonder why people play this game if they are not actively trying to beat T9 to T13. This game would be so boring without the challenge of Coil.

So for those of you not doing Final Coil, what do you do when in game and why?

EDIT - Assuming that player is caught up on content / has been playing for a while.

Well this is an RPG so for me it's about gearing up and clearing the big battles. So Coil and Ex Primals are definitely hot on my to do list. Currently focused on T9 and Ramuh EX, Shiva EX and Titan Ex (grrrr). Actually that's a lie, I'm not that focused on Titan Ex but he's on my radar. That said there are a lot of distractions in this game and it can be really easy to put off challenging harder content in favour of relic shenanigans, leveling chocobos, hunts etc. I really don't know what people who play martial roles are doing if not this but, as others have said, each to their own.

Also right now you have a a group of people who find the second Coil content really easy and a group of people who probably find it quite hard mixed together. They both have different expectations of how the fight should go. It wouldn't surprise me if this puts some of the latter group off jumping into DF and just trying it out.

 

[Kenai]

I really have to wonder why people play this game if they are not actively trying to beat T9 to T13. This game would be so boring without the challenge of Coil.

So for those of you not doing Final Coil, what do you do when in game and why?

My group is definitely one of the more casual ones. I don't play the game a ton compared to this time last year, but you seem to underestimate the hours the game can eat up just by "taking it easy".

I can easily spend an hour or two just making the rounds on nodes (which come back up every hour), birdmen dailies, and more food to put up on the MB. I spent a long time earning money for a house (one of a handful people in the FC with a M house, and mine's not in a subdivision either). I haven't even done 1/4th of the decorating I want for it, and I barely understand gardening but there's that stuff was pretty hot when the minions first came out and I bet they will add more eventually. Then there's my daily maps, DF, and weaving in rare fish windows. I also still have a few jobs I could level to 50 still, although i am taking my time with that as well. And that's without doing anything out of the ordinary, like trying to pony farm or an actual coil night or new patch stuff. I'm actually a bit scared in game weddings might crash the server this week.

It shouldn't be that hard to understand. There's plenty of stuff in the game outside Coil even if you don't like doing it personally. Don't brush it off as easy either, I am pretty sure there's less people in the game with an Ironworks fishing rod than people who have cleared T13 for example, and not for lack of trying. Or snagging up a M house, or getting the latest minion before everyone else. or being the next Cheshire Kat. I don't even know. And when Gold Saucer and Triple Triad come out? Mother of god...

 

[Item Box]

Dear SE,

For the love of god, please stop with the open shirt + bra look. It's lazy and when a not insubstantial portion of your playerbase looks like a potato it just doesn't work.



I promise catgirls will survive with actual shirts after a brief adjustment period.

Thanks.

I for one, believe that we need more belly holes

can't get any more practical than that

 

[Valor]

Dear SE,

For the love of god, please stop with the open shirt + bra look. It's lazy and when a not insubstantial portion of your playerbase looks like a potato it just doesn't work.



I promise catgirls will survive with actual shirts after a brief adjustment period.

Thanks.

Just go back to being a cat, plz and ty

 

[DrForester]

Mages are going to pay with the next set of gear for how good the Ironworks stuff looks. They will have their revenge and put us in S&M gear again.