njean777
Member
It shouldn't be a false dichotomy like it is though. Bungie should meet the player base in the middle. This isn't asking for everything to be handed to you. Nobody is.
Kotaku: Destiny's new exotic system is a total mess.
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It shouldn't be a false dichotomy like it is though. Bungie should meet the player base in the middle. This isn't asking for everything to be handed to you. Nobody is.
EmmaWatsonButt
Member
The best part is you get to do all of this again with the 2nd DLC
Next up, microtransactions to speed it up for you! That is the sort of design we are looking at here.
DeadManWalking
Member
The whole way the leveling up makes no sense. When expansion 2 come out there will be new lvl cap and weapons base damage will have to be buffed again.
It's more messed up than that. Armor bonus stat rolls do not persist through the upgrade process. In essence you are just buying a new item and hoping the stats are as good or better.
Sunbreakers with an Intelligence of 102 will only have an Intelligence of 82 this week.
At the cost of the item maybe you can upgrade that item the next time it shows up in Xur's inventory.
It would once again cost you 7k Glimmer, an exotic shard and reset all XP on the item.
There are four possibilities.
1.) This is an oversight.
2.) This is a benevolent move for players to upgrade from low bonus rolls to high balanced by extreme cost.
3.) This was the expedient way to implement upgrading. You're basically just buying a new item so no new system had to be added to the game.
4.) This is more grind.
5.) Destiny was once or is still in the process of becoming a 'Free to Play' game.
Sunbreakers with an Intelligence of 102 will only have an Intelligence of 82 this week.
At the cost of the item maybe you can upgrade that item the next time it shows up in Xur's inventory.
It would once again cost you 7k Glimmer, an exotic shard and reset all XP on the item.
There are four possibilities.
1.) This is an oversight.
2.) This is a benevolent move for players to upgrade from low bonus rolls to high balanced by extreme cost.
3.) This was the expedient way to implement upgrading. You're basically just buying a new item so no new system had to be added to the game.
4.) This is more grind.
5.) Destiny was once or is still in the process of becoming a 'Free to Play' game.
Junior Mint
Member
It was my first WTF moment when I played the game too.
I enjoyed the game during the first few hours because I had friends to play with. Trust me, once you hit the end game, even playing with friends doesn't save the game. I literally see someone trading in a copy of Destiny every time I walk into an EB Games/GameStop so I'm not surprised the trade in value is plummeting.
They didn't want to create a "black market" for loot.
Did I travel back to MMO forums circa 2005?
the game revolves around the RNG, even leveling
The conclusion of the article is spot on:
I really liked the new strikes added. And the new missions were fun, if short. Mixed with them are the following things that have pushed me away from the game:
It all added up this morning when I fired it up and I had to walk away. The core game is just brilliant but it's wrapped in an increasingly messy and obtrusive, grindy set of systems that are increasingly hostile to lower level players, and to advanced level players alike. The game needs to simplify its systems, not keep laying them on.
I really liked the new strikes added. And the new missions were fun, if short. Mixed with them are the following things that have pushed me away from the game:
- Level 28 daily heroic story missions were removed, for level 30. The loot for level 28 was also moved to level 30. So the materials I was earning from those daily missions was halved because I'm too low level.
- You can't replay the first mission in the expansion, for some reason.
- Engrams were removed from the level 24 strike playlist and moved to the expansion-exclusive level 26 strike playlist. Doesn't affect me, but is a horrible way to punish people who only own the base game, to "entice" them into upgrading by removing loot they previously had access to.
- Setting both the weekly strike and nightfall strike to DLC only, rather than either providing an alternate for non-DLC owners, or alternating them so one was DLC and the other from the base game. This shuts out non-DLC owners from an important weekly activity, each time it comes up.
- When the daily heroic mission was DLC yesterday, it was level 30 only. Again, I'm level 27, so I was shut out of being able to run it.
- Introducing yet another currency to buying legendary gear. I was Vanguard level 4 or so, and was drowning in marks. But you have to re-level the Vanguard to get a commendation to buy the new gear. MORE GRINDING (as pointed out in the OP).
It all added up this morning when I fired it up and I had to walk away. The core game is just brilliant but it's wrapped in an increasingly messy and obtrusive, grindy set of systems that are increasingly hostile to lower level players, and to advanced level players alike. The game needs to simplify its systems, not keep laying them on.
Live Free or Die
Banned
Destiny is a RPG/MMOish type game. I dont get all the complaints about grinding.
Awesome gunplay. Traversal is also great. The raid mechanics are interesting. The problem is lack of content. All the grinding complaints and issues with the drop rates all comes down to the fact that the game is lacking in content. It makes the grinding feel more repetitive than it has to. There just aren't enough missions or other activities. By the time you get one character to lvl29, you've already done everything in the game dozens of times.
There are a decent number of story missions, but you only have incentive to do them once. Once completed, you can no longer gain mission xp. Not even for the higher difficulties. So you have all these missions sitting there, some of which were actually fun, and you can only attempt one of them once per day to get xp. That's the daily. The main farmable events are the strikes, and most of those aren't that interesting. I'm sure all involve a 3-wave encounter and a boss fight. Pretty formulaic.
If the game had released with the two expansions, I think people would've been satisfied with what they got. Right now, TDB isn't even enough.
At least they spent their time polishing something. The underlying game is great. If they solve the content problem by the sequel, I think it'll be an unbelievable experience. I drop in each night to check bounties. I'll never tire of shooting things in this game. PEACE.
The core mechanics of this game are very good, but Bungie has no idea what it's doing as far as the MMO and content aspects are concerned. Everything feels like patch work and making things up as they go along.
Feels like everyone at the studio just tosses in ideas and there's no real singular vision.
Feels like everyone at the studio just tosses in ideas and there's no real singular vision.
EmmaWatsonButt
Member
Wait, I have max strength bonus on my pre DLC exotic chest piece. You telling me that strength could be lowered if Xur upgrades my chest?
Triggerhappytel
Member
I'm sure some people think the grind is all Activision's fault!
Anton Sugar
Member
Sold my copy this morning.
YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER ME, BUNGIE
YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER ME, BUNGIE
So the typical WoW style of making your gear obsolete as soon as an expansion releases is being compounded in this game by having their so-called "expansions" release really close to each other and close to the game's launch, making it so that players never really have the best gear for long and creating an endless grind as expansions release. But then they try to alleviate that by letting you trade-in your exotics at the slot machine but still having to grind to buff them back up. Which is creating its own set of headaches. Geez, this game.
Worst aspects and mechanics of MMO's all rolled into one while not having anywhere close to MMO amount of content or the good features/mechanics of MMO's as far as socialization or living world with hundreds of people.
Worst aspects and mechanics of MMO's all rolled into one while not having anywhere close to MMO amount of content or the good features/mechanics of MMO's as far as socialization or living world with hundreds of people.
and that is really what happened to me. I hit 25k a couple weeks ago and just started buying shit to use it. Had I known I needed to save it then I wouldn't have blown it.
MightyHedgehog
Member
So this picture is pretty accurate what is happening at bungie right?
What a hot mess of a game goddamn.
I feel the exact opposite. They are cynically using every trick in the book to hook players into their thin and overpriced content. It really feels like a game that was originally architected for F2P and microtransactions.
johntown
Banned
I think not. I learned my lesson with this DLC.
So this means if I want to hit 31 this week I have to buy the ugly ass vanguard armor for my titan because Xur is not selling the helmet I want to upgrade until who know when.
I will beat the raid a few times and then I done with game. The grinding is ridiculous!
The Last Wizard
Member
They most certainly do.
It's also stupid you need commendations to buy certain items from vendors now. It's just another barrier to lengthen play time. Had I not bought the limited edition I would've sold my copy by now, I rarely play though. When I do play it's jut a reminder why I stopped.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
I'm actually happy that they're making glimmer actually be needed for something. I have a stack of items I want to turn into the Cryptarch but can't because I've been maxed at 25k for a long time.
I'm also happy that they're giving you an upgrade path for your existing exotics. At least it's there. Even though it may not be on the list for that week, I have no problem just vaulting that piece for a bit. Hell, I've already got a couple of new legendary weapons that I can level up and use while I wait for that particular weapon or piece of armor to make the rotation for Xur.
I'm also happy that they're giving you an upgrade path for your existing exotics. At least it's there. Even though it may not be on the list for that week, I have no problem just vaulting that piece for a bit. Hell, I've already got a couple of new legendary weapons that I can level up and use while I wait for that particular weapon or piece of armor to make the rotation for Xur.
I'm done after we beat the new raid. No point in grinding when the next expansion will probably make all current gear useless again.
It almost certainly will lose some STR bonus.
bonus bit
Your feedback is clear: The time you have invested in your stuff should be respected.
And it will fail when the next DLC hits. Players will have enough commendation to buy whatever they want. Will be really interesting to see what happens in their 'new season.' Coincidentally it will most likely be my 'last season.'
Yoda
Member
CookedChocobo
Member
3 questions!
Have you played the game? Have you fully upgraded or currently upgrading any exotic weapon?! Have you gotten or at least tried to get rank 3 or more with any reputation?!
If can't answer yes to all three, can't regard that input!
adamantypants
Member
What I actually read:
Kotaku: Destiny'snew exotic system is a total mess.
Kotaku: Destiny's
MMO expansions provide a wealth of content. The number of dungeons, zones, and items in Everquest's first expansion was nearly as beefy as the base game. Yeah the skinner box is still there, but the wealth of content makes it more palatable.
Anton Sugar
Member
Grinding is a reality in MMOs, to an extent, but Destiny is on a whole other level.
Most (good) MMOs have a steady stream of content/areas to explore so that your progression is organic. You may have to grind every so often to reach a certain quest, but not having the content that naturally levels you, to the extent that Destiny doesn't, is awful, for any MMO.
EmmaWatsonButt
Member
Lmao, fuck off Bungie
Wickerman22
Member
To each his own. This game is all about repetitive grinding and getting rewarded for it. It's been about that since the beginning and it's not changed. Good God, I ran the Vault of Glass like 34 times and loved every second of it. I'm glad Glimmer finally has a value. I was constantly buying ammo consumables just to free up space since I was constantly maxed. In addition, I had these worthless things in my inventory that increased the Glimmer I received from certain enemies. Well, now these finally have a place.
As for the exotic upgrades, the reality is, most players are using only 1-2 things while the others gather dust in their vault.
And finally, this notion about all your progress being lost to upgrade a newly exchanged exotic is completely misleading since the "new" exotics have better base attributes than a fully upgraded original exotic.
As for the exotic upgrades, the reality is, most players are using only 1-2 things while the others gather dust in their vault.
And finally, this notion about all your progress being lost to upgrade a newly exchanged exotic is completely misleading since the "new" exotics have better base attributes than a fully upgraded original exotic.
ComputerMKII
Banned
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
I want my grinding to have a point. For me to gain something from it. In Destiny, you'll grind for five hours on the same few missions then unlock bullshit for other classes that you can't trade because theres no p-2-p trading system. Fucking bullshit. Its not entitlement jesus christ have you even played the game? How could you make a statement like that? The late game was so fucking dumb in this game besides the raid (which I didn't even waste my time getting too, gave up at lvl 25).
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
I see "MORE GRINDING" and I think "just play the game for fun". That's how I played the game when I was into it and I rarely felt cheated.
I'm sure someone posted this already:
For armor, re-buying is cheaper than upgrading
https://twitter.com/localaaron/status/543438224224681985
For armor, re-buying is cheaper than upgrading
Myself said:
https://twitter.com/localaaron/status/543438224224681985
This is why I won't bother grinding the raid like I did in the vanilla release. Just do it once to see the content and then be done with it. Why bother going on the number chasing treadmill to max yourself when the light level just increases as fast as 3 months later.
Grinding is a reality in MMOs, to an extent, but Destiny is on a whole other level.
Most (good) MMOs have a steady stream of content/areas to explore so that your progression is organic. You may have to grind every so often to reach a certain quest, but not having the content that naturally levels you, to the extent that Destiny doesn't, is awful, for any MMO.
Bingo. Like I saw someone mention in another thread, playing this game is like running in a hamster wheel. The content is simply not there for this sort of design and the balance is like that of a free to play game that is loaded with microtransactions. But even games like Defiance are more fleshed out than this game at the core. That is the irony of it all.
GusZamboni
Member
i was the only person who liked the system?
my exotic fully upgraded was
300 of damage or 30 of light
my new old exotic without any upgrade is:
302 of damage or give 30 of light
excluding the fact that it does not have the "named upgrades" it was ok to me
my exotic fully upgraded was
300 of damage or 30 of light
my new old exotic without any upgrade is:
302 of damage or give 30 of light
excluding the fact that it does not have the "named upgrades" it was ok to me
Same here. I couldn't even stand the grind to get to lvl 26. The gunplay was awesome, but the rest was utter crap IMO.
