Kotaku: Destiny's new exotic system is a total mess.

and that is really what happened to me. I hit 25k a couple weeks ago and just started buying shit to use it. Had I known I needed to save it then I wouldn't have blown it.

The whole game is like this.

- had I known all my legendary gear would become obsolete, I wouldn't have even wasted materials and time maxing them out
- had I known all my legendary gear would become obsolete, I wouldn't have even spent vanguard marks buying them or re-buying pieces to better suit my weapons
- had I known all my raid gear would become less valuable than vendor trash, I wouldn't have bothered grinding the raid every week
- had I known all my exotics would reset, I wouldn't have wasted my materials and time maxing them out
- had I known all my exotics would require exotic shards, I wouldn't have broken down my exotics for Ascendant crap

Maybe if Bungie didn't just make shit up as they went people wouldn't feel cheated every time they made a major change.
 
So is this another one of the daily dump on Destiny threads where those that don't play it say it sucks, those who were bad at it whine, and us addicts defend it?

At least 3 people in this thread have hit max level pre-DLC and are great at the game in terms of PvE and PvP (probably better than you ;)), who are also criticising the game.

I hit level 30 a month before the DLC came out, and run around with a 2.50 kd in PvP. The game always had great shooting mechanics, but is awful content wise. I'm still kind of an addict though, but that's just because of my OCD to have the best armors and guns in the game
 

Vespene

Member
They should've just had all exotics transform to the new exotics by default, with 302 damage base and perks unlocked, leaving only the 5 upgrade slots to work with.
 

Tengrave

Member
This game still needs a reboot/retool. I would come back for a Realm Reborn: Destiny. What a train wreck this continues to be.
 

Mooreberg

is sharpening a shovel and digging a ditch
I'm glad I checked out just before this. My memories of playing the game will still be mostly positive. I subjected myself to the insanity that was MW2 for too long, and it put me off that series until four weeks ago. If Destiny 2 is a major improvement I'll be there, but the current structure and scarce amount of content just ran out of gas for me way, way earlier than I'd have ever thought before this game launched.
 

Altima

Member
Destiny is a RPG/MMOish type game. I dont get all the complaints about grinding.

Yes, there is grind part in every MMO but some games do it right while some do it wrong.

It was right in Destiny pre-expansion. It was when the game released and I had too much energy to spend into it. I farmed for only a week after that I only have to keep playing nightfall and raid once every weeks.

Now, I burn out with the game while they ask me to grind old content again.
 

Kodros

Member
I actually have no problem with how it works. Destiny has always been a game that gives the user a bunch of small goals to get you to play a lot. They artificially limited many things so that you can't go all hardcore and do everything immediately. More like a "slow down and enjoy the ride" kind of thing. And this is why everybody is so pissed about the thin content in the game I'd assume. We all like goals and the gameplay is fantastic. We just want more variety to reach those goals.

If you aren't having fun hitting these small goals, stop playing. It's strange hearing people complain about the grinding yet if there were no grinding, they would have done everything and stopped playing.
 
I want my grinding to have a point. For me to gain something from it. In Destiny, you'll grind for five hours on the same few missions then unlock bullshit for other classes that you can't trade because theres no p-2-p trading system. Fucking bullshit. Its not entitlement jesus christ have you even played the game? How could you make a statement like that? The late game was so fucking dumb in this game besides the raid (which I didn't even waste my time getting too, gave up at lvl 25).

Yep I play it. I enjoy it quite a bit.
 

-griffy-

Banned
Like every MMO in existance!
Don't worry though Bungie told me it wasn't an MMO...

People wouldn't complain about it so much if there was more content. There's more stuff to do in my freaking garrison alone in Warlords of Draenor than in the entirety of Destiny practically.
 

molnizzle

Member
Kotaku said:
Destiny, a video game in which players roam the solar system getting angry at Destiny,

wuOMSLF.gif
 

Sullichin

Member
It's infuriating because there's so many things to grind.. and when you finally max something out, you barely have any chance to use it before it's no longer anything special. You could play for 500 hours hoping for one weapon, finally get it, spend another 10 hours maxing it out (probably more), and be a week away from expansion #2 that will raise the ceiling. There's a giant grind but the game underneath it isn't big enough for it to really make sense.

The last Iron Banner gear didn't stay relevant for long. And anyone who finally got a raid helmet from VOG last week has reason to be upset that you can just buy some crucible/vanguard helmet that's better (although I'm personally very happy the new vendor armors exist)

I understand they want to make the new content challenging again, and give you a reason to want to upgrade stuff. I like that. There's not really enough new content in the DLC but it's pretty tough, and the heroic weeklies/dailies are level 30 now. That's all good and gives me a reason to have a higher attack weapon. I just wish they figured out a solution that respected my time, and it's not really that hard to think of how. Just add some new damage upgrade bubbles to the existing exotics! Instead there's a very convoluted system. I follow what's going on in Destiny closely and I was still slightly confused by Xur today.

All of this aside, I'm happy with TDB release because there's a ton of new weapons to collect (I really like some of the new vendor legendaries), the new story missions are pretty good, I like all of the Crucible maps and the strikes, and I haven't touched the Raid yet. Since the DLC launched I've been swimming in new stuff to play with and upgrade. I just wish that to upgrade them, I wasn't killing hive with a melee attack in the same lunar base I've farmed helium coils for ten thousand times.
 

hamchan

Member
I actually have no problem with how it works. Destiny has always been a game that gives the user a bunch of small goals to get you to play a lot. They artificially limited many things so that you can't go all hardcore and do everything immediately. More like a "slow down and enjoy the ride" kind of thing. And this is why everybody is so pissed about the thin content in the game I'd assume. We all like goals and the gameplay is fantastic. We just want more variety to reach those goals.

If you aren't having fun hitting these small goals, stop playing. It's strange hearing people complain about the grinding yet if there were no grinding, they would have done everything and stopped playing.

Which is why one of the biggest problems with the game is a lack of content. It's the main reason why there's so much grinding.
 

RalchAC

Member
I hated that Xur dude when I was playing Destiny.

In my time zone he isn't there Satuday and Sunday.

He is in the Tower from Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon.

Considering I have class from 15.00h to 21.00h, that after 6 hours of classes I'd rather have a beer with some friends that going home to play Destiny, and that most Saturdays I'm not at home, I only had Sunday morning left.

That meant that half the time I wasn't able to get to Xur in time.

I don't get who thought it was fun to have a NPC that gives gear and stuff appearing twice a week.

Gameplay in general was great. But in some aspects the game seems to be designed by people that haven't played an MMO in the last 4 or 5 years.
 

Mindlog

Member
If you aren't having fun hitting these small goals, stop playing. It's strange hearing people complain about the grinding yet if there were no grinding, they would have done everything and stopped playing.
Why?
If my Hard Light was 333 I would be using the hell out of it. Sounds great and fun to use.
I don't use it now because I have to level other weapons and the excessive upgrade cost means I won't be doing that even if it did show up in Xur's inventory.

I'm not motivated by grind. Grind is not a goal.
 
http://kotaku.com/destinys-new-exot...m_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow



As someone who didn't spend a whole lot of time on Destiny (I'm still only Level 26 with one exotic), it seems I'm the one getting the best deal out of this, as people who already did all this grinding will just have to do it all over again.

The article makes some good points and the part where Xur has to have the exact weapon or armor that you'd like to upgrade is frustrating, however I will note that grinding is just a part of Destiny (and many other games like it).

For us people that play it, we don't mind grinding because we enjoy playing the game. I purchased my first Exotic upgrade today and won't mind grinding to earn back the 7000 glimmer because I can do bounties, strikes etc and earn other upgrades or materials in the process.
 
It's all just so fucking pointless. What's wrong with just letting people play the game? Have some faith that your game is actually good! People didn't play firefight over and over because they needed to upgrade their exotic Battle Rifle.
 

INTERNET

SERIOUS BUSINESS
How about in the next patch Bungie just puts everyone to max level with the best weapon and armor? Hows that? People more and more want to be handed things in games and not work for them.
Yep I play it. I enjoy it quite a bit.

If you enjoy it, then let's not phrase it in terms of "work", as in "entitled gamers don't want to work for their upgrades." What if to upgrade you had to stand in the tower and push the X button 250000 times? Is that "work" to you, or is it "bullshit"? If the latter, why so entitled? Note my avatar, I'm kind of an expert at clicking.
 
I finally gave up on Destiny this past week. After playing The Dark Below and realizing there is little to no new content and that the game really is about nothing other than running on treadmills, I was just done.

I have 2 level 30s and love the core gameplay mechanics but the sheer lack of content and grinding endlessly for no reason is killing the experience. I'm not going to trade in my game or delete my characters out of hope one day the endless issues will be fixed but I'm not playing until then.
 

johntown

Banned
I'm done after we beat the new raid. No point in grinding when the next expansion will probably make all current gear useless again.

Yeah I agree with you. That is the worst part about this. All the gear you got is now the worst gear in the game (legendary wise etc.) Raid gear should have had the option to go to 33 light at least.

I was planning on upgrading the Helm of Saint 14 but seeing how useful that is for the new raid Xur will probably never have it as an upgrade (just like he never has Gjallahorn anymore).

* they will do the same thing with the next "so called" expansion.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Probably the terrible thing is that it's limited to a dude who is only there at certain points of the week instead of there all the time like every other vendor.

I'm sure the point is to make it like a F2P game where you get a bonus for logging on every single day or whatever, but when it's something so important to progression, it sucks. The fact that they seem to be trolling the player-base with what he even sells is icing on the cake.
 

jiiikoo

Banned
I really can't bring myself to play this all that much anymore. When they add matchmaking to the raids, I might reconsider, but until then, I really can't be bothered.
 
"problem" 2 and 3 honestly seems like non issues to me.

Clearly, they're issues for a lot of other people.

It's about respecting your time. Not just the time that you have to put aside to play the game and re-level everything (because, let's face it, you're going to replaying the same Strikes/Raid/bounties/patrols over and over again), but the time you had already invested in it.

When other MMOs make big changes to their skill/upgrade systems, they may reset you to zero (or give you the opportunity to) but they give you your skill/perk points back, too. Why? Because you already spent hours earning them.
 

Clearos

Member
Buy/Sell forum doesn't have any physical copies of PS4 Destiny left. So many gamers disappointed...come sell your copies so I can get it cheap for my cousin.

Solid base game and pvp, I don't play a lot so only lvl24 so yet to be burned by the exotic issue.
 
"problem" 2 and 3 honestly seems like non issues to me.

Problem 2 is an issue only because Bungie put a glimmer cap at 25k. There are so many exotics to upgrade..

I have never understood why Bungie put a cap at such a low glimmer level, along with the vanguard and crucible marks.
 
With the amount of bounties you can do at once now with "the new" missions and the extra raid it's fairly easy to grind up gear & weapons. Why would anyone want to upgrade all of their exotics at once? You'd be even more bored than you are now.

I'm enjoying it. The game sucks, but I'm enjoying it.
 

Sullichin

Member
It's all just so fucking pointless. What's wrong with just letting people play the game? Have some faith that your game is actually good! People didn't play firefight over and over because they needed to upgrade their exotic Battle Rifle.

There wouldn't be as much dramatic discussion if this game wasn't loot based. They get away with having a game that tons of people are constantly talking about because it has its own economy, metagame, a merchant that only comes on weekends...people can't help but tell the internet about their god damn exotic drops.

At the very least I think the idea of daily/weekly challenges and Xur (in theory) are brilliant.
 
Buy/Sell forum doesn't have any physical copies of PS4 Destiny left. So many gamers disappointed...come sell your copies so I can get it cheap for my cousin.

Solid base game and pvp, I don't play a lot so only lvl24 so yet to be burned by the exotic issue.

If you're in Canada I'll sell you my copy for $35.

I can't get rid of this thing in Toronto.
 

SuperBonk

Member
I agree with the idea that Bungie knows exactly what they're doing. Every system they've introduced tries to make up for the game's lack of contact and encourages people to keep playing. The only people that even care enough to complain anymore are the ones already addicted and will keep playing regardless. The entire concept of Xur is still very confusing however.
 

ChouGohan

Banned
I loved this game but I havent played it in like a month, I love the multiplayer but the single player is so boring. The only problem is you have to play the single player to get good gear for the multiplayer. :/
 
Another weird thing:

Resource cost for upgrading an exotic and grinding to max:
2 exotic shards (costing 14SC or 2 dismantled exotics) + 7k glimmer + your vanilla exotic

Buying a brand new (13SC) exotic and grinding to max:
13 Strange Coins + 1 exotic shard (costing 7SC or 1 dismantled exotic) + your dismantled vanilla exotic (which will net you 1 exotic shard + glimmer)

In other words, buying a brand new version of the exotic is more cost effective than upgrading when it should be the other way around. My biggest problem with the upgrade system is that it doesn't respect the time you put in to grind your exotic gear. In fact, it kind of punishes you for it.
 

Freshmaker

I am Korean.
The 2nd complaint is odd to me. Getting glimmer isn't hard and is a byproduct of everything else you do. They even say it was useless(it wasn't) and now they are upset it has a more specific use than it already did?

Ammo synth packs are that awesome?
 
I'm glad sites like Kotaku are shining a light on these issues.

But people have already paid for Destiny, so Activision is still winning.
 
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