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Cruise Missile said:
I don't recall saying anything besides "It has potential". Nowhere did I say this would be great, nor did I use MoS as a good example of a comic book movie. I was replying directly to Neoxon's incredulous reaction to the idea that the MCU in general will be replaced and forgotten in 15 years. Which it will. Likely less than that. Because that's how big movies work now. There absolutely will be a reboot in the next probably 5 or 6 years, new origin stories, new everything. That's just how it works.
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You are right, you didn't say anything else. Especially to Dead with his ridiculous post, or to anyone else that reacted to it. No, you singled out someone for a specific reason and then continue to do so just to be an ass. I assumed you agreed with the rest of Dead's post as well, and considering that you go on to defend his post earlier I still assume that to be true. Or you don't care and were just looking for a chance to single out someone.

But that doesn't change how wrong you are about the MCU. Yes, it will definitely get rebooted sometime in the future. So what? New things come along all the time, but that doesn't mean we forget the old ones. Considering how massively popular these movies are, do you think that we will just all forget them? Do you even know how nostalgia works? Or just because something gets rebooted you think that everyone forgets it? I guess we all forgot about the various franchises that have gotten reboots like Batman, Superman, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Transformers, Spider-Man, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Red Dawn, Robo Cop, James Bond, Star Trek, etc, etc. I am pretty sure the list goes on forever. I know what you are smugging right now though, "I didn't say that rebooting would make it forgotten! The mediocrity of the films will!" Look at the list of films that I have listed, so many of them have terrible movies in their roster. Or even the ones you have listed earlier.

Cruise Missile said:
I didn't say anything about Fox movies. So no, I don't act as if they are works of art. When I say Marvel movies, I am referring to movies based on Marvel properties. That includes movies made by Sony and Fox. They're all fluff. COMIC BOOKS are fluff. That's the entire point of comic books and comic book movies. Fun distractions that are cheap and ultimately meaningless. Wow, big surprise Iron Man (2008) and Avengers (2012) are remembered when a new Avengers movie is about to come out with Iron Man as a main character. Dead is saying these movies won't be remembered as anything special once they stop making them. But they're still making them, so of course they are remembered.


Also, GOTG is not a good movie. Flat acting, unfunny and forced humor, generic action, and generic Marvel movie story. Sure, it made a bunch of money. But Green Lantern and Man of Steel made money despite being bad movies. Only hopelessly, dangerously obssesed fans like yourself will care about these movies in 15 years. These are not Die Hard or Indiana Jones or Terminator or even Star Wars movies. They will not be seen as classics. Because they aren't and aren't trying to be.
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Wow, those movies sure do have a shitty track record. Half of the Indiana Jones/Star Wars/Terminator movies are mediocre at the very least, Die Hard is mostly shit (and I love Die Hard). While non of them have really been rebooted, they all have had sequels/prequels with a long enough gap in between movies that they are very different movies. The MCU at least has been fairly well reviewed so far. Unless you really think that the movies are forgetful, which is fine, but don't think that your opinion speaks for the masses more than the massive amounts of dollars they are spending to see these movies. Especially considering that the MCU has been around for less than seven years and is still the second highest grossing film franchise of all time and probably won't be slowing down for awhile. Unless DC overtakes Marvel or the influx of comic book movies becomes so great that the comic book movie market crashes. Both of which are possible.

Again, it is fine if you don't like the movies or find them particularly remarkable. But don't assume that everyone is suddenly going to forget the movies forever, because that is just redonk.
 
Never read or seen anything Fantastic Four related (main characters rub me the wrong way) but this trailer has got me excited for the movie. Hopefully the movie delivers on the tone that the trailer has.
 
Trike said:
You are right, you didn't say anything else. Especially to Dead with his ridiculous post, or to anyone else that reacted to it. No, you singled out someone for a specific reason and then continue to do so just to be an ass. I assumed you agreed with the rest of Dead's post as well, and considering that you go on to defend his post earlier I still assume that to be true. Or you don't care and were just looking for a chance to single out someone.

But that doesn't change how wrong you are about the MCU. Yes, it will definitely get rebooted sometime in the future. So what? New things come along all the time, but that doesn't mean we forget the old ones. Considering how massively popular these movies are, do you think that we will just all forget them? Do you even know how nostalgia works? Or just because something gets rebooted you think that everyone forgets it? I guess we all forgot about the various franchises that have gotten reboots like Batman, Superman, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Transformers, Spider-Man, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Red Dawn, Robo Cop, James Bond, Star Trek, etc, etc. I am pretty sure the list goes on forever. I know what you are smugging right now though, "I didn't say that rebooting would make it forgotten! The mediocrity of the films will!" Look at the list of films that I have listed, so many of them have terrible movies in their roster. Or even the ones you have listed earlier.



Wow, those movies sure do have a shitty track record. Half of the Indiana Jones/Star Wars/Terminator movies are mediocre at the very least, Die Hard is mostly shit (and I love Die Hard). While non of them have really been rebooted, they all have had sequels/prequels with a long enough gap in between movies that they are very different movies. The MCU at least has been fairly well reviewed so far. Unless you really think that the movies are forgetful, which is fine, but don't think that your opinion speaks for the masses more than the massive amounts of dollars they are spending to see these movies. Especially considering that the MCU has been around for less than seven years and is still the second highest grossing film franchise of all time and probably won't be slowing down for awhile. Unless DC overtakes Marvel or the influx of comic book movies becomes so great that the comic book movie market crashes. Both of which are possible.

Again, it is fine if you don't like the movies or find them particularly remarkable. But don't assume that everyone is suddenly going to forget the movies forever, because that is just redonk.
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Movies/series that made a ton of money recently and no one remembers for their quality:


Avatar
Pirates of the Caribbean
Transformers
Shrek
Any handful of Disney movies


You're taking this like a personal insult that people think the movies won't matter in 15 years. In 15 years, everything will be rebooted, technology will have advanced tremendously, and everything in the current movies will looked dated and stupid. Big CGI fests never hold up because the technology always improves. There will be nostalgia for them. That's not the same thing as "mattering". There is currently nostalgia for every bad movie/cartoon/tv show from the 90s. That doesn't mean any of those "matter". It just means people from a generation are nostalgic for stuff they liked when they were young. That's not the same thing as Raiders of the Lost Ark or Star Wars or Terminator 2 or Predator or Die Hard being held up decades later as the top of their genre. I'm saying Marvel films won't be those. Is that really something to get so worked up over? They're fun, disposable movies back boned by a medium based on fun, disposable comic books.

It is ALWAYS "See what happens next" and not "Dwell on what just happened". That's how the books are. That's how the movies are. They are BUILT on being disposable and hype for the next thing. I'm sure that when The Avengers 2 and Ant Man and Cap 3 and Black Panther and whatever come out, THOSE will be the "best Marvel movie yet". And then those will get passed over by the next 5 movies. And so on and so on until they restart everything and 50 year old Neoxon thinks Iron Man (2042) is the best movie ever.

None of this means they aren't fun and enjoyable movies. They are. But they also all fall apart on rewatches or with any critical eye. They are not movies that will hold up in 15 years. They are movies that are fun to watch right now, which is all they are meant to be. That is not an insult to the movies or people who enjoy them. They are what they are. If you don't realize that or get personally offended by that, then it is on you.

I mean shit, people already ignore The Incredible Hulk, both Thor movies, Iron Man 2, with a large chunk with no love for Captain America or Iron Man 3. They all made money, though, so I guess they must be relevant 15 years from now.
 
Please just end it fox. Please. Give the rights back to marvel. This is going to be an abomination. The only thing in that trainer that screamed fantastic four was the logo. Makes me sad.
 
My point is that it's been said numerous times that Marvel has zero plans to reboot the MCU at any point, & are going the James Bond route as far as recasting goes (keep with continuity, but just put a new actor in). This has mainly been talked about with the role of Tony Stark since they'll have to recast him in the foreseeable future. They probably already have a plan for Cap, & have since primed Bucky as his successor (seeing as Sebastian Stan originally tried out for Cap, it fits). On top of that, they've been laying the groundwork for newer heroes to take the spotlight (Guardians, Ant-Man, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Inhumans, etc.). Rinse & repeat as time continues. They definitely won't hit the reset button after Infinity War or beyond, they'll just start the next arc.

The MCU as a whole will most likely be remembered as it changed the movie landscape. But each individual movie, only time will tell. But at the very least, sans Iron Man 2 & Thor 2, none of them were lower than decent. And even then, those two aren't near Daredevil, TASM2, or X-Men Origins: Wolverine levels of bad. And yes, I do watch other movies outside of the MCU, but I recall going into that a few pages ago. For example, GotG may have sparked interest in space operas again, but it will be up to Star Wars (due to its popularity through the decades despite a less-than-stellar prequel trilogy) to push the cosmic flood-gates wide open again.
 
The MCU will no doubt be remembered for changing the land scape of movies, but it will likely be in a negative way, since there is already backlash about studios forcing "universes" out of all of their IPs.
 
Cruise Missile said:
The MCU will no doubt be remembered for changing the land scape of movies, but it will likely be in a negative way, since there is already backlash about studios forcing "universes" out of all of their IPs.
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There's a fine line between having a plan & executing it properly. That'd be the studio's fault for screwing up, not Marvel's. That's why I'm hoping that DC can pull it off (they seem to have the motivation & commitment behind their plan right now).
 
Marvel Studios has pretty much become the McDonalds of the movie industry. Standardized recipes designed to feed the masses, with little-to-no nutritional value.

I for one am glad there's other studios out there releasing their takes on the superhero genre. Could you imagine if we lived in a world where Marvel possessed all the rights to everything? We'd never see a proper villain on screen again!
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pulga said:
Marvel Studios has pretty much become the McDonalds of the movie industry. Standardized recipes designed to feed the masses, with little-to-no nutritional value.

I for one am glad there's other studios out there releasing their takes on the superhero genre. Could you imagine if we lived in a world where Marvel possessed all the rights to everything? We'd never see a proper villain on screen again!
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Ultron may change that as far as MCU villains go, & Loki is a solid villain (plus they're setting up Thanos). And likewise, there's a difference between a different take that's respectful to the source material & a different take for the sake of being different. Fox wanted to change up a formula they didn't even get right the first time.
And why the faces?
 
For reference, I'm perfectly fine with Fox keeping the X-Men as they've proven that they have their shit together in that regard. Sony's been fucking up with Spider-Man six ways to Sunday, hence why I'm hoping they strike a deal with Marvel Studios. The Fantastic Four, after this trailer, I'm indifferent either way. On its own the trailer does signify an okay movie, but it doesn't look to be a good Fantastic Four movie. Plus there's a lot more that Marvel can do with the Fantastic Four besides making a version that's more like the comics (Doctor Doom as a big villain, Annihilation as a Nova origin story, full use of the Skrulls, access to the Badoon, the ability to use Galactus & the Silver Surfer, etc.). It's a shame that the reboot series, given that it does well, won't touch upon the cosmic elements as much. They have access to a cosmic goldmine & are crippling the MCU as far as their use of the cosmic side of their universe goes, but they probably won't even bother since they're grounding the series so much.
 
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One of these should be made for people proclaiming the next MCU villain will be great. They aren't. Ever. It's shameful that after 10 movies there's ONE passable villain in Loki. Ultron? He's going to be nothing but a "har har humanity must DIE for reasons" walking trope.

I do hope I'm wrong, there's nothing that raises the quality of a superhero movie/show/book than a good villain.
 
pulga said:
One of these should be made for people proclaiming the next MCU villain will be great. They aren't. Ever. It's shameful that after 10 movies there's ONE passable villain in Loki. Ultron? He's going to be nothing but a "har har humanity must DIE for reasons" walking trope.

I do hope I'm wrong, there's nothing that raises the quality of a superhero movie/show/book than a good villain.
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Then this movie shouldn't aspire confidence. Doctor Doom, one of the greatest villains in comic book history, is a hacker whose suit looks like a bunch of trash bags (I'm pretty sure it's his space suit grafted on him, but you get the idea). You don't do Doctor Doom in your first movie, you build up to him. Given how big of a deal he is in the comics, he deserves that much.
 
I'd probably chalk part of that up to not having or not using A-list villains, other than Loki and Red Skull.

Although, that doesn't excuse the forgettable Red Skull I guess. Or that they haven't really done anything with Thanos.

Doom and Magneto are basically the two best villains in Marvel's catalogue of characters. Spider-Man has a great rogue's gallery.
 
Neoxon said:
Then this movie shouldn't aspire confidence. Doctor Doom, one of the greatest villains in comic book history, is a hacker whose suit looks like a bunch of trash bags (I'm pretty sure it's his space suit grafted on him, but you get the idea). You don't do Doctor Doom in your first movie, you build up to him. Given how big of a deal he is in the comics, he deserves that much.
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1) Hacker stuff isn't even confirmed.
2) Every set-picture taken of a costume ever looks stupid as fuck.
3) Build up? Just because Marvel is taking their sweet ass time with Thanos doesn't mean every big bad needs a build-up, jesus. What build up did Joker get? A little scene where Gordon gives Batman a playing card. If that scene didn't exist, would TDK be any different? Nope. Joker would still be the greatest on screen villain the world has ever seen.

You really need to stop it with the "The Marvel Way is the Right Way" mentality.
 
shinra-bansho said:
I'd probably chalk part of that up to not having or not using A-list villains, other than Loki and Red Skull.

Although, that doesn't excuse the forgettable Red Skull I guess. Or that they haven't really done anything with Thanos.

Doom and Magneto are basically the two best villains in Marvel's catalogue of characters.
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Ultron is also up there among Marvel's biggest villains, & Thanos is more of a slow-burn (plus the fact that James Gunn didn't want Thanos to be the main villain of GotG).
 
pulga said:
1) Hacker stuff isn't even confirmed.
2) Every set-picture taken of a costume looks stupid as fuck.
3) Build up? Just because Marvel is taking their sweet ass time with Thanos doesn't mean every big bad needs a build-up, jesus. What build up did Joker get? A little scene where Gordon gives Batman a playing card. If that scene didn't exist, would TDK be any different? Nope. Joker would still be the greatest on screen villain the world has ever seen.

You really need to stop it with the "The Marvel Way is the Right Way" mentality.
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I didn't say that every big villain needed build-up, Doom is just one of those villains where build-up would work with. And I was thinking more of using him in the sequel or the third movie. There are much better first movie villains for the Fantastic Four to use (Mole-Man is a prime example).
 
pulga said:
No one wants to see the fucking Mole Man, christ.
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Hey, I like the Mole Man. I mean, sure he's stupid, and sure it'll be a ton of work to come up with a way to make it look acceptable in live action, but it's not an inherently bad idea. Probably a bad idea for the tone this particular film is going for, but a more light-hearted FF film with a big underground adventure story could definitely work. I'll love to see the underground cities and creatures more than anything.
 
duckroll said:
Hey, I like the Mole Man. I mean, sure he's stupid, and sure it'll be a ton of work to come up with a way to make it look acceptable in live action, but it's not an inherently bad idea. Probably a bad idea for the tone this particular film is going for, but a more light-hearted FF film with a big underground adventure story could definitely work. I'll love to see the underground cities and creatures more than anything.
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Duckrolls pls

FF have access to Doom, Annihilus, Galactus + Surfer, Impossible Man, Super Skrull, Molecule Man, etc.

....and you guys are asking for Mole Man

It's almost as if you guys want FF to bomb, for some reason.
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I'm going to concur that the Mole Man makes for a terrible on-screen villain in the current era of comic-book films. Like unless it's Tim Burton's Fantastic Four I can't see it. Or *shudder* Joel Schumacher's.

The FF's rogue's are kind of mediocre too, outside of Doom, Galactus (who isn't really a villain) and like... the Super Skrull? And I guess, Annihilus, who I know crap all about but whose name seems to pop up in threads about them.
 
pulga said:
Duckrolls pls

FF have access to Doom, Annihilus, Galactus + Surfer, Impossible Man, Super Skrull, Molecule Man, etc.

....and you guys are asking for Mole Man

It's almost as if you guys wanted FF to bomb, for some reason.
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Most of those are villains this particular F4 series won't touch due to how grounded it is. And Mole Man can be done right if they have the right vision for him, & there's a lot that can be done with the underground city.
 
shinra-bansho said:
I'm going to concur that the Mole Man makes for a terrible on-screen villain in the current era of comic-book films. Like unless it's Tim Burton's Fantastic Four I can't see it. Or *shudder* Joel Schumacher's.

The FF's rogue's are kind of mediocre too, outside of Doom, Galactus (who isn't really a villain) and like... the Super Skrull? And I guess, Annihilus, who I know crap all about but whose name seems to pop up in threads about them.
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Annihilus is the villain who killed the entire Nova Corps except Richard Rider.
 
Neoxon said:
Most of those are villains this particular F4 series won't touch due to how grounded it is. And Mole Man can be done right if they have the right vision for him, & there's a lot that can be done with the underground city.
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We've seen one teaser trailer and you've already come to this conclusion. Icanteven :lol

Have you read the synopsis? Have you seen the giant pillar of blue light stretching out into the sky?

We're talking about a movie about a pantless orange rock man :lol

"grounded"
 
Man, Neoxon, you sound like me a year ago, before the Marvel fatigue set in. And yeah, I'd love to see Mole Man, hah. I don't really care whether a villain or concept is ridiculous. The crazier the better.

But until Marvel steps their villain game up, nobody is going to be eating any crow about Marvel movies. It just won't happen. Not a fan of how dirty they did Ronan the Accuser. After that, I tempered my expectations toward them using Annihilus well, quite a bit, come to think of it.
 
pulga said:
Duckrolls pls

FF have access to Doom, Annihilus, Galactus + Surfer, Impossible Man, Super Skrull, Molecule Man, etc.
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I don't think any of those villains outside of Doom are actually interesting characters. Neither is the Mole Man. That's the thing about the FF. As superheroes, they're kinda lame. Their villains are also mostly kinda tacky and lame. What makes the stories interesting are the adventures they go on, and what they discover. The best stories are those which focus on big fun crazy stuff where every page has different awesome backgrounds filled with weird stuff.

It's not about the villain, it's about what sort of adventure the villain provides. The Mole Man himself is dumb as fuck, but he makes it possible to have a Journey to the Center of the Earth adventure with more elaborate sights. In the same way, Annihilus would be great for a large scale Negative Zone adventure. But Annihilus himself? He's a fucking joke.
 
Secret Fawful said:
Man, Neoxon, you sound like me a year ago, before the Marvel fatigue set in. And yeah, I'd love to see Mole Man, hah. I don't really care whether a villain or concept is ridiculous. The crazier the better.

But until Marvel steps their villain game up, nobody is going to be eating any crow about Marvel movies. It just won't happen. Not a fan of how dirty they did Ronan the Accuser. After that, I tempered my expectations toward them using Annihilus well, quite a bit, come to think of it.
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My concern is that even if they nail Ultron (& Joss sound like he's putting his heart & soul into Ultron, like Gunn did for Rocket), Joss Whedon won't be back for Avengers 3.
I'm hopeful for Ultron since he is Whedon's passion project.
 
duckroll said:
I don't think any of those villains outside of Doom are actually interesting characters. Neither is the Mole Man. That's the thing about the FF. As superheroes, they're kinda lame. Their villains are also mostly kinda tacky and lame. What makes the stories interesting are the adventures they go on, and what they discover. The best stories are those which focus on big fun crazy stuff where every page has different awesome backgrounds filled with weird stuff.

It's not about the villain, it's about what sort of adventure the villain provides. The Mole Man himself is dumb as fuck, but he makes it possible to have a Journey to the Center of the Earth adventure with more elaborate sights. In the same way, Annihilus would be great for a large scale Negative Zone adventure. But Annihilus himself? He's a fucking joke.
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I just can't see the underground city as very interesting, in fact it'd probably bore me to tears, but I can understand why some people might find an appeal. But even if the comics haven't done a good job with fleshing out the villains, it doesn't mean a movie shouldn't try. What you're basically asking for is style over substance.
 
Neoxon said:
My concern is that even if they nail Ultron (& Joss sound like he's putting his heart & soul into Ultron, like Gunn did for Rocket), Joss Whedon won't be back for Avengers 3.
I'm hopeful for Ultron since he is Whedon's passion project.
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Better than the studio milking him to do a movie he doesn't even want to do. That always works great for the third movie in a series. I'm glad he's moving on.
 
pulga said:
I just can't see the underground city as very interesting, in fact it'd probably bore me to tears, but I can understand why some people might find an appeal. But even if the comics haven't done a good job with fleshing out the villains, it doesn't mean a movie shouldn't try. What you're basically asking for is style over substance.
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying they shouldn't try to make the villains interesting. I'm saying that how "lame" a villain as a concept is not that important. The important thing is to make a fun adventure. The journey should always be the focus of a good Fantastic Four story. It's not style over substance when the adventure and setting is the substance.
 
duckroll said:
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying they shouldn't try to make the villains interesting. I'm saying that how "lame" a villain as a concept is not that important. The important thing is to make a fun adventure. The journey should always be the focus of a good Fantastic Four story. It's not style over substance when the adventure and setting is the substance.
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I do have to say, and this is a problem with a lot of comic book movies in general, that the lack of high-concept sci-fi and interdimensional imagery is a big issue for me. Imaginative art/imagery and out-there concepts are a big part of why I even want to watch these movies, and keeping grounded doesn't appeal to me.

I don't understand why every time we have a big Earth-ending space monster it has to be a big fart gas cloud, or why every time we have a portal into space/dimensions, it has to be a big blue laser, or why outer space always has to look like NASA satellite photographs, or why we can't get shit like THIS:

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And don't tell me Doctor Strange is going to do that, when no comic book movie dares to take a leap like that. Guardians sure as hell didn't go far enough. Strange will play it safe, because it's going to be Marvels' first shot at something like this, and they'll want it to be a success, and that's not good enough.

And when will we get a villain like this, or even villain interaction like this? The Ronan and Thanos scene in Guardians didn't do it, although it tried. Thanos was all talk; no show. And I love Thanos.

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Marvels taking baby steps, but they're still playing it safe, and it's not good enough. None of these newer comic book movies are good enough. For what I WANT TO SEE, this teaser didn't cut it yet either. It was well-shot, but it was a lot of well-shot stuff that doesn't grab me yet. I'm interested to see more in a larger trailer, but I want to see high-concept sci-fi shit.

Let me know when Alejandro Jodorowsky is going to make a Silver Surfer movie or some shit.
 
Secret Fawful said:
I do have to say, and this is a problem with a lot of comic book movies in general, that the lack of high-concept sci-fi and interdimensional imagery is a big issue for me. Imaginative art/imagery and out-there concepts are a big part of why I even want to watch these movies, and keeping grounded doesn't appeal to me.

I don't understand why every time we have a big Earth-ending space monster it has to be a big fart gas cloud, or why every time we have a portal into space/dimensions, it has to be a big blue laser, or why outer space always has to look like NASA satellite photographs, or why we can't get shit like THIS:



And don't tell me Doctor Strange is going to do that, when no comic book movie dares to take a leap like that. Guardians sure as hell didn't go far enough. Strange will play it safe, because it's going to be Marvels' first shot at something like this, and they'll want it to be a success, and that's not good enough.

And when will we get a villain like this, or even villain interaction like this? The Ronan and Thanos scene in Guardians didn't do it, although it tried. Thanos was all talk; no show. And I love Thanos.



Marvels taking baby steps, but they're still playing it safe, and it's not good enough. None of these newer comic book movies are good enough. For what I WANT TO SEE, this teaser didn't cut it yet either. It was well-shot, but it was a lot of well-shot stuff that doesn't grab me yet. I'm interested to see more in a larger trailer, but I want to see high-concept sci-fi shit.

Let me know when Alejandro Jodorowsky is going to make a Silver Surfer movie or some shit.
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To be fair, Gunn didn't want Thanos to be that involved, & that his inclusion was mandated by Feige to set up for Infinity War. James Gunn also has zero plans to make Thanos the villain of GotG2. As a result, don't expect him to make a huge move until Infinity War, as he'll remain a slow burn villain with his only opportunity to take a bigger role before Infinity War is locked out to him.
 
What I want out of a F4 film (the first in a series):

- They have their powers already and have been the F4 for a few years.
- Space
- Family dynamic
- Doctor Doom not the main villain, but they know he could do anything at anytime. If something weird goes down, they go to question him (which he doesn't like).
- One smaller adventure at the beginning of the film. Something more mundane, and the film starts near the climax of it.
- Larger adventure to some place large, unknown and entirely unpredictable. Not some sort of desolate wasteland, though. Something bright and colourful.

The second film can move on to Doom or something.
 
Not The Droid You're Looking For said:
What I want out of a F4 film (the first in a series):

- They have their powers already and have been the F4 for a few years.
- Space
- Family dynamic
- Doctor Doom not the main villain, but they know he could do anything at anytime. If something weird goes down, they go to question him (which he doesn't like).
- One smaller adventure at the beginning of the film. Something more mundane, and the film starts near the climax of it.
- Larger adventure to some place large, unknown and entirely unpredictable. Not some sort of desolate wasteland, though. Something bright and colourful.

The second film can move on to Doom or something.
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Sounds solid enough, though meeting with Doom like that may be a bit of a cock-tease.
 
This movie is going to have to do a lot to make up for the absence of Chris Evans's abs. I'm still not sold.

The trailer was pretty underwhelming, honestly.
 
I were never negative toward this film and have always had the hope it'll turn out well. And this trailer just made my hype rise.

It looks magnificent with beautiful cinematography and very high potential. It already looks better than the last two F4 movies and much more interesting than a lot of other superhero films.
 
Huh...ok. That was really Interstellar-ish trailer --- piano music, farm, something-something humanity in the beginning.

Still skeptical though.
 
Trailer was far better than anything I would have expected from Fox. Thank God it's not found footage. Looks closer to Prometheus (which is also Fox, I think).

I dunno, I've been down on this movie since it was announced, but I'd gladly eat crow for a decent sci-fi take on the FF.
 
I don't know if I think this movie will be good or not

But they at least convinced me that its going to be interesting

What's more I now have a couple critics who's opinion on this sort of thing I'll trust, so I'll look forward to their reviews
 
pulga said:
Duckrolls pls

FF have access to Doom, Annihilus, Galactus + Surfer, Impossible Man, Super Skrull, Molecule Man, etc.

....and you guys are asking for Mole Man

It's almost as if you guys want FF to bomb, for some reason.
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Yeah but not every FF story has to be balls to the wall against impossible odds and crazy supervillains. Mole Man is cool as fuck and his stories have some neat settings that aren't really explored in comic book movies.
 
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