Batman v Superman [Official Trailer Release]

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Spike Spiegel said:
The Frank Miller formula: the only one that matters.
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Be honest; it might as well be

Spike Spiegel said:
The formula of Alan Moore.
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hey now

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Sibersk Esto said:
By the way Batman, Superman CAN bleed

And guess what, he can still kill you with it

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No need for Wonder Woman when we got this.

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and it wasn't under kryptonian atmosphere, the Kryptonian robot injured Superman when the ship was on earth and Supes was breathing normally.
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Blader said:
I know it's just the one shot so far, but Affleck here doesn't really look any more old or grizzled than Bale in TDKR.
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It's not supposed to be Frank Miller Batman (60 or 70 years old) it's just an older Batman and more experienced. and DC still want him in JL movies (and maybe Batman solo), this is not Miller's Grandpa Bats.
 
Totobeni said:
It's not supposed to be Frank Miller Batman (60 or 70 years old) it's just an older Batman and more experienced. and DC still want him in JL movies (and maybe Batman solo), this is not Miller's Grandpa Bats.
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I believe TDKReturns Bruce is 55, BvS Bruce is late 40s. Superman is 35.
 
Not too bad price for a old comic, wish 52 was still printed in TPB, now the only option is like a 90$ omnibus :(.

DC really needs to get that online subscription database going, especially with their movies coming out.
 
NeoGeoOwner said:
Nolans Batman already looks like a joke compared to this.
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Nolan's suit always looked like a joke.

True Savior said:
Look at this porn-cape. Its so fucking beautiful.


Still , this concept that emerged in the last 4 days that Batman has always to look like a Gorilla (although i like it very much) and it is the definite look is ridiculous

And the suit looked majestic as fuck with proper lightining
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It really, really didn't. It looked like absurd plate armor carved out of rubber. Which it was.

Bulbous bat-forehead and tiny mouth din't help either.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
You just said it! "There are other interpretations." Daredevil is a character who for much of his modern existence has led a life of endless tragedy and misery. Dark, depressing stuff that wears on the soul, weighs the man down until he finally drowns. Before that though, the guy used to have some pretty outlandish adventures, not unlike a certain caped crusader. And then, after all that dark and depressing stuff that culminated in a corrupted Daredevil trying to take over New York with an army of ninjas, along comes Mark Waid who, while still acknowledging and at times reinforcing that Matt has had a sh*tty hand dealt to him, gives us a Daredevil who manages to find the joy in being himself, makes light of tense situations, and connects to his cast and to the readers through tragedy AND triumph. Is Matt overcompensating? Yes, he absolutely is; "fake it 'til you make it" is his mantra when he's feeling pressured. Is the happy-go-lucky all an act? No, I don't believe that; Matt's a guy who is smart enough to realize that he's got some great things going on in his life despite of all the tragedy, and the alternative to being happy is somewhere he doesn't want to be anymore. Look, I'm starting to ramble on but honestly Waid's Daredevil is a fun, exciting, and fresh breath for the character compared to the pits of despair that came before, and it is just as great as those runs that steeped themselves in pain and misery, if not better in some ways. Is it going to last, or is the next writer to step up going to fall back on the dark and brooding depiction? Who can say? All I know is I'm having a helluva time enjoying this rendition, and I'll be sad when the ride is over. Waid's interpretation of Daredevil is no less valid that what came before it, simply because it's taken a lighter approach.

Batman? He's breathing the same stale air that Miller forced into his lungs thirty years ago, and when someone steps up with something different along come his "fans" to cry out for their dark, brooding, humorless ghoul of the night. Morrison acknowledged this at the end of his Batman run; the grand experiment failed to change anything. Brave and the Bold got absolutely blasted by the "fans" when it hit the airwaves, for being too different, too Silver Age, too camp. Schumacher's films are openly mocked for swinging too far into camp, and away from the formula of Burton and Nolan and Snyder. The formula of Frank Miller. The formula of Alan Moore. Anything else is out of character.

Pine for a different take on Batman, for something other than formula? Mock the serious, overly dour tone of the Nolan films, of the DCCU? Get derided, chastised; get told you don't truly appreciate the depths of his dark and tortured soul. You don't know Batman.

The Frank Miller formula: the only one that matters.
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Yeah, I get that you don't like the modern Batman. And Waid's run is fine. But it doesn't make much sense to bemoan the 'stale' Batman in the same paragraph where you mention two other works with more interpretations of Batman. I'm sorry you came across some fans that didn't like it, but both of those examples are pretty well regarded. B&B particularly is a lot of fun.

Just, again, what is the point of coming into a work clearly taking a lot of inspiration from DKR and apparently not expecting it to be a variation of the Batman from DKR?

Honest question, did you go into the Daredevil thread and rant for them to have done a different take on DD? Because the same thing is happening there. Although it may actually be worse for you because the other interpretation of Murdock is actually a current running series and it was ignored.

Lots of people really like gritty Batman. I'm sorry Spike, they just do.
 
Love seeing Bruce in the cave, just so I can look in the background and try to pick up stuff in the background and how it looks like a solid cave with hallways and has good origination.
 
True Savior said:
And the suit looked majestic as fuck with proper lightining


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It looks terrible compared to Batflecks suit.

Also why are we discussing a c grade super hero and comparing him to Batman exactly? I dont think anyone wants Batman to have some funny one liners while fighting bad guys. Also Bruce does joke occasionally.
 
Totobeni said:
I think having Kryptonite is really awful (it make everything easy "he supes see dis grenn thing, now you are uesless") I don't like it in films or comics. I hope that not real and Zack don't use it.
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I'd recommend you (and also, everybody else on earth) read New Frontier. Bats uses Kryptonite, but it doesn't finish the fight. Really well handled.
 
Totobeni said:
It's not supposed to be Frank Miller Batman (60 or 70 years old) it's just an older Batman and more experienced. and DC still want him in JL movies (and maybe Batman solo), this is not Miller's Grandpa Bats.
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I'm not complaining about the take, just saying that Affleck here doesn't look any drastically older or more grizzled here than Bale did in Rises, even though WB/Snyder made it sound as if they were taking Batman in a completely different direction with this movie compared to Nolan's trilogy.
 
Vyer said:
Yeah, I get that you don't like the modern Batman. And Waid's run is fine. But it doesn't make much sense to bemoan the 'stale' Batman in the same paragraph where you mention two other works with more interpretations of Batman. I'm sorry you came across some fans that didn't like it, but both of those examples are pretty well regarded. B&B particularly is a lot of fun.

Just, again, what is the point of coming into a work clearly taking a lot of inspiration from DKR and apparently not expecting it to be a variation of the Batman from DKR?

Honest question, did you go into the Daredevil thread and rant for them to have done a different take on DD? Because the same thing is happening there. Although it may actually be worse for you because the other interpretation of Murdock is actually a current running series and it was ignored.

Lots of people really like gritty Batman. I'm sorry Spike, they just do.
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FYI - everything Foggy from the Daredevil series has roots in either the Stan Lee or Mark Waid version's of the character. And tonally, there's a lot of Matt and Karen stuff that's definitely inspired by Lee's take on the character, just reworked a tad so it fits tonally with everything else.
 
DeathyBoy said:
FYI - everything Foggy from the Daredevil series has roots in either the Stan Lee or Mark Waid version's of the character. And tonally, there's a lot of Matt and Karen stuff that's definitely inspired by Lee's take on the character, just reworked a tad so it fits tonally with everything else.
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Eh sort of. It's real inspiration is Mark miller and he is the one that truly defined the character that we know of today. Especially in the show it uses a ton from The Man without fear mini
 
Im a little afraid that this is going to be ridiculously predictable. EisenLuthor convinces everyone including Bruce that Superman is untrustworthy. They fight, Bruce does better than he should but of course loses, but then they become bffs and Justice is dawned. +Wonder Woman.

i guess I still feel a bit burned from the Man Of Steel trailer. Great trailer, mediocre film.
 
bigboss370 said:
can't get enough of this. watched the trailer so many time already.

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I don't get why people say it's grimdark well maybe it is, but that looks very colorful to me. The S shield colors are noticeable even during nighttime, they were barely noticeable during daytime on MoS!
 
gketter said:
Eh sort of. It's real inspiration is Mark miller and he is the one that truly defined the character back in the day. Especially in the show it uses a ton from The Man without fear mini
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It's heavily rooted in the Miller/Bendis runs to be sure, but it tips it's hat to a few other runs as well. Waid and Lee prominently, but there's allusions to Brubaker, Diggle, Smith and Nocenti.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
Batman? He's breathing the same stale air that Miller forced into his lungs thirty years ago, and when someone steps up with something different along come his "fans" to cry out for their dark, brooding, humorless ghoul of the night. Morrison acknowledged this at the end of his Batman run; the grand experiment failed to change anything. Brave and the Bold got absolutely blasted by the "fans" when it hit the airwaves, for being too different, too Silver Age, too camp. Schumacher's films are openly mocked for swinging too far into camp, and away from the formula of Burton and Nolan and Snyder. The formula of Frank Miller. The formula of Alan Moore. Anything else is out of character.

Pine for a different take on Batman, for something other than formula? Mock the serious, overly dour tone of the Nolan films, of the DCCU? Get derided, chastised; get told you don't truly appreciate the depths of his dark and tortured soul. You don't know Batman.

The Frank Miller formula: the only one that matters.
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Batman's original appearance had him as a Dracula-like ghoul who hunted criminals at night. He used to shoot criminals and throw them off rooftops. Campman has always been an anomaly - and a failed one at that. Sales of DC Comics declined during the campification of Batman. The 60's TV show was very quickly cancelled. The Schumaker films nearly killed the movie franchise. And while Brave and the Bold was really clever and entertaining, I believe it got cancelled as well.

Fact is, Batman's a dark character. It's in his damn visual design. He's operatic and brooding. That's the way the character was designed and it's what the audience wants. I definitely agree with you that a lot of writers take it way too far, and I hope that doesn't happen in this movie. But a Batman that's any lighter than the Dini/Timm version isn't really one I have any interest in seeing.
 
kame-sennin said:
Batman's original appearance had him as a Dracula-like ghoul who hunted criminals at night. He used to shoot criminals and throw them off rooftops. Campman has always been an anomaly - and a failed one at that. Sales of DC Comics declined during the campification of Batman. The 60's TV show was very quickly cancelled. The Schumaker films nearly killed the movie franchise. And while Brave and the Bold was really clever and entertaining, I believe it got cancelled as well.

Fact is, Batman's a dark character. It's in his damn visual design. He's operatic and brooding. That's the way the character was designed and it's what the audience wants. I definitely agree with you that a lot of writers take it way too far, and I hope that doesn't happen in this movie. But a Batman that's any lighter than the Dini/Timm version isn't really one I have any interest in seeing.
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"Batman's rich history allows him to be interpreted in a multitude of ways. To be sure, this is a lighter incarnation, but it's certainly no less valid and true to the character's roots than the tortured avenger crying out for mommy and daddy."
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(Batmite - Batman: Brave & The Bold)

Batman can be anything. That's what makes the character so iconic.
 
kame-sennin said:
Batman's original appearance had him as a Dracula-like ghoul who hunted criminals at night. He used to shoot criminals and throw them off rooftops. Campman has always been an anomaly - and a failed one at that. Sales of DC Comics declined during the campification of Batman. The 60's TV show was very quickly cancelled. The Schumaker films nearly killed the movie franchise. And while Brave and the Bold was really clever and entertaining, I believe it got cancelled as well.

Fact is, Batman's a dark character. It's in his damn visual design. He's operatic and brooding. That's the way the character was designed and it's what the audience wants. I definitely agree with you that a lot of writers take it way too far, and I hope that doesn't happen in this movie. But a Batman that's any lighter than the Dini/Timm version isn't really one I have any interest in seeing.
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Batman was campy for DECADES.

Also - here is what comic book sales looked like when he was at peak camp

http://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales/1960s/1966.html

That's the first time since Detective 37 that Batman was EVER the number one selling comic or that it EVER outsold Superman and it wouldn't do either of those again until the 89 Burton film.
 
DeathyBoy said:
FYI - everything Foggy from the Daredevil series has roots in either the Stan Lee or Mark Waid version's of the character. And tonally, there's a lot of Matt and Karen stuff that's definitely inspired by Lee's take on the character, just reworked a tad so it fits tonally with everything else.
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A little bit. But in general it's still much more the dark tone of Miller/Bendis and pretty far from Waid's Murdock.
 
meanspartan said:
Im a little afraid that this is going to be ridiculously predictable. EisenLuthor convinces everyone including Bruce that Superman is untrustworthy. They fight, Bruce does better than he should but of course loses, but then they become bffs and Justice is dawned. +Wonder Woman.

i guess I still feel a bit burned from the Man Of Steel trailer. Great trailer, mediocre film.
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You may be right, except Batman will most likely win
 
Betty said:
I thought GAF was of the agreement that Begins suit was baller?
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meanspartan said:
Batman Begins suit is one of the best ever.

The other two movies suits were more realistic (head turning ftw) but ya didnt look as good.
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Clasps, rubber folds, giant forehead. No thanks. I hated it the minute I saw it.

I'm not a fan of Zack Snyder, but I'll forever be thankful that he finally gave us a comic batsuit after 25 years of crap*.



*Keaton couldn't move, but the first batsuit did look beatiful when properly lit.

Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
Also - here is what comic book sales looked like when he was at peak camp
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Those sales are numerically lower than they were during the first comic boom. Rankings don't mean anything if overall sales are sliding down.
 
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