I think there's only roughly 19 Dhalsim players out there, soooo...
Just kidding lol.
Ultra Street Fighter IV on PS4 is much, much better now. Bless.
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I think there's only roughly 19 Dhalsim players out there, soooo...
Just kidding lol.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
crimzonflame
Member
First Sony wastes money for exclusive shit for SFxT, and now they blew money on this port. They better hope SF5 is a blockbuster.
I daresay that's a safe bet though.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
do people really not understand this post?
riskVSreward
Member
Seek to reduce latency time compared to PS3 version. Ports PS3 version...
That's really disappointing, now you can almost guarantee that they can't fix the latency issue. To me, that was the biggest thing promised about this port. Even though I personally can't really tell the difference, it's now basically useless for the tournament scene as that is (rightfully) their biggest concern.
I'm sure it came down to things like button prompts, PSN hooks, trophy support all being ready in the PS3 version so they could theoretically save time by starting with that as a a base. Obviously, they should have started with Windows, 360 or even the arcade version as a base, they all have much more in common with PS4 than the PS3 does with it's bastard processor. You get a much cleaner port with much less effort, then you add that network stuff in like any other game. Developer incompetence, or too restricting a deadline, or lack of communication with the community or all of the above.
Fix the aesthetics, fix the gui speed, fix the moves discrepancies, fix the FUCKING AUDIO, and the port will be fine for anyone outside of diehards. Nothing impossible, shouldn't be hard. I'd be willing to bet they've been working on some of this GUI and audio shit since before the game was even published. Now they have the community of unpaid laborers to point out how the moves are behaving wrong and hopefully they can trace several glitches back to a common error and it isn't as pervasive as it seems.
Also, my expensive fucking TE2 doesn't have a Touch Pad button so stop making me hold it when I wanna reserve a replay save!
It's still worth $25 to anyone who wants to play SF4 on PS4 casually with friends. A lot of content, a lot of fun.
I am not a defense force for any of the companies involved, just a lifelong SF fan. That has always been my bias.
That's really disappointing, now you can almost guarantee that they can't fix the latency issue. To me, that was the biggest thing promised about this port. Even though I personally can't really tell the difference, it's now basically useless for the tournament scene as that is (rightfully) their biggest concern.
I'm sure it came down to things like button prompts, PSN hooks, trophy support all being ready in the PS3 version so they could theoretically save time by starting with that as a a base. Obviously, they should have started with Windows, 360 or even the arcade version as a base, they all have much more in common with PS4 than the PS3 does with it's bastard processor. You get a much cleaner port with much less effort, then you add that network stuff in like any other game. Developer incompetence, or too restricting a deadline, or lack of communication with the community or all of the above.
Fix the aesthetics, fix the gui speed, fix the moves discrepancies, fix the FUCKING AUDIO, and the port will be fine for anyone outside of diehards. Nothing impossible, shouldn't be hard. I'd be willing to bet they've been working on some of this GUI and audio shit since before the game was even published. Now they have the community of unpaid laborers to point out how the moves are behaving wrong and hopefully they can trace several glitches back to a common error and it isn't as pervasive as it seems.
Also, my expensive fucking TE2 doesn't have a Touch Pad button so stop making me hold it when I wanna reserve a replay save!
It's still worth $25 to anyone who wants to play SF4 on PS4 casually with friends. A lot of content, a lot of fun.
I am not a defense force for any of the companies involved, just a lifelong SF fan. That has always been my bias.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I'm one of the best DeeJays in the universe right now. Balla!
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I explained further just to be safe.
The Lone Dragon
Member
Thanks for the hard work!
So, basically it's the same as PS3, which is why some people haven't been able to feel the "massive input lag" that others have claimed.
Still, finally some proof that some of us are just "noobs who can't feel the lag". Compared to the PS3 version, its the basically the same.
Hopefully, the patch improves it further to 360 levels, though, as advertised. Though, isn't the arcade version more similar to the PS3 version, than the 360 version? Not sure why 360 is considered the "tourney standard" in that regard.
riskVSreward
Member
I think lowering any types of latency should always be the goal of a tournament organizer. If you could have 1 or even 0 frames of input latency, wouldn't that be desirable?
The 360 version is the only version that doesnt have the same amount of lag as the other platforms. Arcade/PS3/PC all have the same amount(And I guess now PS4). THe reason why it's the current tournament standard is simply due to popularity. When SF4 first arrived more people played on 360 vs PS3. Of course arcades weren't a thing outside of the east either, so to most the difference to them was that the PS3 version was off compared to what it should be.(like the 360 version)
You can't eliminate lag, only reduce it. the 360 version has around 4 frames of lag I think. The PC version with Vsync off or Gsync has the lowest amount of lag vs all other platforms with around 3 frames of lag.
Mistake? PC shouldn't be included in there.
riskVSreward
Member
I'm aware of that, it was a hypothetical question designed to help them understand why tournaments are run with the system that has less input latency.
PC version has the same amount of lag if you turn on vsync
This needs to be mentioned in the OP as an issue as not everyone is going to be using a controller with a touchpad, especially for fighters. There needs to be a way around it. Fighting game developers need to take this into consideration as a lot of fighting controllers don't have them. The character select screen also requires a touchpad for quick button config. Another thing to make the tourney scene shun this port. If everyone has TE2s they can't use this feature. MKX and Xrd have work arounds for non-touchpad controllers for touchpad functions, so props to them.
But really, this highlights one of my gripes about Backbone and whatever part of them is in Other Ocean now. They just quickly crap out these ports without putting any thought into the user experience on the system it's being ported to or seemingly any knowledge of the audience. In their MvC2 ports, they totally eliminated all the extra button mapping options, which screwed over pad players, despite every old version having these, including the Dreamcast version which only had six controller buttons, but the options were still there. That irked me so much. It's was always the bare minimum with them. after watching that DF video, I want them to actually use the hi-res assets for all the effects, but at this point asking for that makes me look like some sort of obsessive nitpicker. So frustrating.
In-game vsync? ah i've been either running it windowed with alt+enter or through the control panel
Nemesis121
Member
It's still shitty compared to GWFL...
Friend lives 5miles away matches still lag, on GFWL we had probably 5-10 laggy matches with over 2000 matches played, Steam is unstable..
It's both funny and sad at the same time.
direct_quote
Member
I think Sony spent all their money on money-hatting SF5 kappa. So they win in the long run.
Sorta off topic, but can someone explain to me what the whole "kappa" thing is about? I've noticed it being said all over the place in this thread and I'm super lost.
Shadow_Lord
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It's a twitch chat emoticon that means "troll" or JK lol. It comes from a twitch admin named Josh Kappa who added his own picture to the emoticons, and that wasn't allowed, so he got banned lol, and his name gained fame.
When was the last time you played on PC? The fixes to netcode were implemented about 3 weeks ago.
Depending on your other settings, doing it through the control panel actually adds more lag than the PS3 version. display lag had a whole article regarding different lag timings depending on how you implement vsync. If you have an AMD gpu and applied windowed vsync then the lag is comparable to the 360 version. If not then to get it to 360 levels or lower you need to either turn vsync off, have SLI, or use a gsync monitor.
AstroNut325
Member
Reading that summary in the OP should result in the game being pulled from PSN and from store shelves. That is legitimately a broken product.
I've already been debating if I should pick one up, but this is certainly pushing me towards a g-sync monitor. I'll stick to borderless windowed for now, thanks for the link.
ULTRA STREET FIGHTER FOUR!
stupid sound from the the controller.
how the fuck do I turn that shit off? I mean without turning it off permanently on the controller. I still have to finish Killzone and it's use off the feature...and I might forget it's off for that game too.
it keeps repeating and repeating when I leave it in the menu. urgh.
stupid sound from the the controller.
how the fuck do I turn that shit off? I mean without turning it off permanently on the controller. I still have to finish Killzone and it's use off the feature...and I might forget it's off for that game too.
it keeps repeating and repeating when I leave it in the menu. urgh.
Memorabilia
Member
Lol
Edit: To the OP...Embarrassing release. Silver lining: 50% off E3 sale incoming?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I had "Version 2014" or whatever self replicating in the corner next to the 1up portrait while I was playing ranked. Had about 5 of them by the time I was done.
Nerd_Incognito
Member
They told me 3-5 business days but I got the email notification that funds have been added to my wallet. Sure enough, it's there.
I bitched a lot about how the game is basically unplayable. Linked to various articles and twitter posts. They wanted me to do the redownload troubleshooting but I knew that wasn't going to help so I lied and said I did. They finally gave in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvUau8jXFCs
PS4 TE2 #1 5.816
PS4 TE2 #2 6.383
PS4 TE2 #3 6.445
PS4 DS4 #1 5.766
PS4 DS4 #2 6.199
PS4 DS4 #3 6.216
PS4+PS3 TE 7.020
360 Madcatz Silent 3.212
360 Pad 3.574
PS3 TE 5.533
PS3 DS3 5.162
PS3 Hitbox 5.287
PS4 TE2 #1 5.816
PS4 TE2 #2 6.383
PS4 TE2 #3 6.445
PS4 DS4 #1 5.766
PS4 DS4 #2 6.199
PS4 DS4 #3 6.216
PS4+PS3 TE 7.020
360 Madcatz Silent 3.212
360 Pad 3.574
PS3 TE 5.533
PS3 DS3 5.162
PS3 Hitbox 5.287
lucablight
Member
I was going to purchase this but I didn't after reading this topic. I don't understand how something so simple can be messed up like this. If the players of the game can see all these issues how can the companies involved not see them? I can't understand how professional companies can make such bad decisions. It blows my mind.
Wow, thanks for doing this in a way that even a total fighting game beginner like me could understand.
What a joke though. I wonder why Sony was so confident that they fixed the PS3 lag when it looks like they just made it worse. Those PS4+PS3 numbers would also explain why some people reported up to 8 frames of lag.
Truespeed
Member
This is commitment. Great work.
Mad props on this
thanks for doing this, that must've been tedious.
I could see it having more input lag than the 360 version but lol at more input lag than the PS3 version. The definitive (console) version is somehow worse than the worst of the last gen console version. Reminds me of how the PS3 version of Bomberman had atrocious input lag.
mullet2000
Member
Awesome job, man.
m_shortpants
Member
So what gives? Is the PS3 controller driver bad? Or the hardware? Hmm..
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Does MKX suffer from increased input lag?
If it doesn't, it probably isn't the driver.
It's Other Ocean being shit, Sony being cheapasses and Capcom being negligent.
HORRORSHØW
Member
Geez seems like even if everything else was ok the PS3 stick on PS4 with drivers would be out of the equation
Now just to decide if I take the plunge on a new stick now or closer to release of SFV
Then again the new stick would work on PC too, unlike my current Round 2...
Hmmm...
Now just to decide if I take the plunge on a new stick now or closer to release of SFV
Then again the new stick would work on PC too, unlike my current Round 2...
Hmmm...
RobRSG
Member
Please read DF Face-off for more info.
There are too many similarities with the PS3 version.
I've seen people say it does, but difficult to confirm without testing.