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[sturgboski]

The only thing I'm seeing when I Google "House of Wolves Raid" is some leaked images from a "reliable" source. One image does mention a raid, but Bungie never stated anything about a raid for that DLC. You can't imply something like that, it either it has it or it doesn't.

You know what, I misspoke. They didn't want to include a raid because they were adding one this fall in TTK. Coincidentally, they added a new raid just 3 months from launch but figured a raid in HoW would be too much. That our they needed another bullet point for TTK that they axed the HoW raid.

Also, what did you search. My first result is: https://www.bungie.net/7_gearing-up-for-house-of-wolves/en/news/news?aid=12764 which is Bungie explaining what I wrote. The subsequent results were reporting on that and opinion pieces on it removing the raid from HoW was a good or bad thing.

Well, I hope that 40 bucks leads to a full game's worth of content than, or at least content on par with Word of Warcraft's expansions.

If not, than that is a rip off to buyers :l.

Let's be real: I really enjoy Destiny. If it wasn't fatigue and hating the PoE rewards and vendor (as a warlock, eff that guy), I would be paying right now. Tomorrow night I'll probably be doing the nightfalls with a friend. But let's not go down that road. One WoW expansion has more content than Destiny+TDB+HoW+TKK. You need to scale back and hope TKK's content outweighs TDB+HoW and even matching them is seeming not likely.

 

[NullPointer]

The Long Dark devs takin shots at both Destiny and Arkham

DAMN

And the follow up...

Between TakenGate and the Red Bullshit, Bungie's getting mocked from all quarters today.

Just waiting on the Traveler to ragequit and swoop back into deep space.

 

[Raven Prime]

Between TakenGate and the Red Bullshit, Bungie's getting mocked from all quarters today.

And rightfully so, this is some first class anti-consumer bs.

 

[Blunoise]

Hey we need one sword bearer for hm Crota. Add me Blunoise1

 

[firehawk12]

Hey we need one sword bearer for hm Crota. Add me Blunoise1

Wrong thread. lol

 

[Karl2177]

Because they are shaders. emotes and emblems and $20 is ridiculous for it. Frankly, the people that stuck around for Destiny's very rough start and kept up a large community deserve an extra perk like that.

But yet a $25 mount in WoW or a $30 Dota skin is acceptable? What makes these cosmetic items any different?

 

[LOLCats]

When the cat figures out hes been tricked omg.

 

[MrGreencastle]

You know what, I misspoke. They didn't want to include a raid because they were adding one this fall in TTK. Coincidentally, they added a new raid just 3 months from launch but figured a raid in HoW would be too much. That our they needed another bullet point for TTK that they axed the HoW raid.

Also, what did you search. My first result is: https://www.bungie.net/7_gearing-up-for-house-of-wolves/en/news/news?aid=12764 which is Bungie explaining what I wrote. The subsequent results were reporting on that and opinion pieces on it removing the raid from HoW was a good or bad thing.

They repurposed the Raid from HoW into a new end game activity called Arena. It's equivalent to a Raid in the positioning of the activities in the game. Whether you like it or not is another matter. Personally, I hope they do more "Arenas" in the future as well as more Raids.

 

[pixel monkey]

Frankly, the people that stuck around for Destiny's very rough start and kept up a large community deserve an extra perk like that.

And there it is. "Deserve" and capitalism, ladies and gentlemen, have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

 

[blue_phazon]

The legendary bundle is $60 and includes: Destiny + TDB + HoW + TTK

The Collecters edition is $80 and includes:
Destiny + TDB + HoW + TTK + Extras

It's already established that the extras are $20, and current Destiny players will get even more extra stuff.

So are people complaining because the arguement is that the extras are valued too highly at $20?

 

[MrGreencastle]

"Why do I have to pay for something I already own?" almost immediately changed into "Why do I have to pay for something?" There are some people who won't be happy until this stuff is free, and there are others who won't be happy even then and they'll just move on to harping about something else in a game they don't play and have "deleted" 5 times.

I'm happy. I was mad at $40 for extras, but $20 is in line with the other bundles since I already own the year 1 stuff. Whether or not you think $20 is worth it for that digital stuff is another matter, but now they aren't making us buy year 1 stuff over again to get it.

Works for me. They did exactly what I was asking for. And it was ridiculous before as a year 1 player.

 

[StUnNeR H2K]

Hey we need one sword bearer for hm Crota. Add me Blunoise1

Just don't kill Crota and we can avoid TTK all together.

In fact lets just write an apology to his daddy saying how sorry we are for killing his son and maybe we won't ever have to see TTK!

 

[DR2K]

This is the shadiest apology ever. I have nothing but respect for them at this point.

 

[Orochinagis]

Meanwhile some problems are still there like

-The Expansion still cost $40 regardless of being a "loyal player"
-Europeans have still pay in euros the same price

Correct me if I am wrong

 

[Hawkeye 131]

What exactly does "Suggested Retail Price" mean ? Because $20 for 3 cloaks, a shader and some new dance moves is RIDICULOUS

 

[pixel monkey]

But yet a $25 mount in WoW or a $30 Dota skin is acceptable? What makes these cosmetic items any different?

Exactly. Price this out... if you've three characters in Destiny as many of us do, we're talking about a meager $2.22 per item in contrast to WoW and DotA.

 

[ethomaz]

I'm happy. I was mad at $40 for extras, but $20 is in line with the other bundles since I already own the year 1 stuff. Whether or not you think $20 is worth it for that digital stuff is another matter, but now they aren't making us buy year 1 stuff over again to get it.

Works for me. They did exactly what I was asking for. And it was ridiculous before as a year 1 player.

Yeap same boat here.

I think all the prices are a bit overpriced yet but now I think it is fair for me... looking at the current prices $20 for the Extras is what I expected instead the $40 bullshit.

I will upgrade my preorder to CE.

 

[Aces&Eights]

This makes horse armor the deal of the century. I quit Destiny when they took out the loot cave and told me, "you're not playing the game you paid $60 for correctly" but I still follow it to see if I should ever jump back in due to new and exciting content being released.

Nope.

 

[Two Words]

But yet a $25 mount in WoW or a $30 Dota skin is acceptable? What makes these cosmetic items any different?

No, that isn't acceptable at all. Why are you working on the assumption that I think all past things done are okay?

And there it is. "Deserve" and capitalism, ladies and gentlemen, have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

Do you really think you need to explain to me that Bungie doesn't actually owe fans anything in any legal manner? It's pointless to make that argument when I'm not trying to say Bungie does legally owe them something.

 

[BlastProcessing]

But yet a $25 mount in WoW or a $30 Dota skin is acceptable? What makes these cosmetic items any different?

Context.

 

[blue_phazon]

Meanwhile some problems are still there like

-The Expansion still cost $40 regardless of being a "loyal player"
-Europeans have still pay in euros the same price

Correct me if I am wrong

I don't see why the expansion would cost less for "loyal" players, but the European prices are absolute shit and there's no defending that

 

[StUnNeR H2K]

Meanwhile some problems are still there like

-The Expansion still cost $40 regardless of being a "loyal player"
-Europeans have still pay in euros the same price

Correct me if I am wrong

Yes, which is really what started the whole interview with Luke to begin. He didn't even understand the concern was with how the 40 euro conversion was like price of the original game.

 

[DeepEnigma]

But yet a $25 mount in WoW or a $30 Dota skin is acceptable? What makes these cosmetic items any different?

Exactly. Price this out... if you've three characters in Destiny as many of us do, we're talking about a meager $2.22 per item in contrast to WoW and DotA.

Love generalizations when people are looking through with blinders on.

Who says those are acceptable? I am sure the people in here voicing their displeasure (shit we are allowed to do in a free market) still think that is too much as well.

 

[Orochinagis]

But yet a $25 mount in WoW or a $30 Dota skin is acceptable? What makes these cosmetic items any different?

In Dota defense, it actually changes the base model of your character, moves, skills and voices.

 

[rokkerkory]

The Bungie I love is gone, no wonder MS got rid of them.

 

[zashga]

Gosh, this sounds like a great deal. Between this and $10 Hearthstone portraits, I'm getting a little depressed at what gamers will apparently support.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Activision corrupted bungie?..

Spoiler

maybe

 

[LegoArmo]

Bungie: The bare bones game and season pass we charged you $100 for is now worth the same as some shaders and emotes.

$20 each, bargain.

"what's the problem?" you cry.

Value over time, sure, but the games not even been out a year, and House of Wolves just a few weeks.

 

[bananafactory]

Bungie PR

 

[MrGreencastle]

This makes horse armor the deal of the century. I quit Destiny when they took out the loot cave and told me, "you're not playing the game you paid $60 for correctly" but I still follow it to see if I should ever jump back in due to new and exciting content being released.

Nope.

*says game doesn't have enough value for content provided*

*pays $60 to shoot into a cave*

 

[JetBlackPanda]

This makes horse armor the deal of the century. I quit Destiny when they took out the loot cave and told me, "you're not playing the game you paid $60 for correctly" but I still follow it to see if I should ever jump back in due to new and exciting content being released.

Nope.

You would rather the game be broken? Wat.

 

[Falcker]

The legendary bundle is $60 and includes: Destiny + TDB + HoW + TTK

The Collecters edition is $80 and includes:
Destiny + TDB + HoW + TTK + Extras

It's already established that the extras are $20, and current Destiny players will get even more extra stuff.

So are people complaining because the arguement is that the extras are valued too highly at $20?

A lot of those "extras" are missing.

The 20$ CE extra over Legendary edition gives you all the in game cosmetic stuff as well as a slew of physical collector items.

So if you bought the legendary edition and the cosmetic items you would pay the same price as the collectors edition but receive none of the physical collectors edition items.

So no steelbook case.

No "modified treasure island book with cayde 6's personal notes and illustrations".

No Strange Coin replica.

No CE box.

No "collection of relics and artifacts".

No "weapon schematic" poster.

Same price.

 

[Mike Works]

"Why do I have to pay for something I already own?" almost immediately changed into "Why do I have to pay for something?" There are some people who won't be happy until this stuff is free, and there are others who won't be happy even then and they'll just move on to harping about something else in a game they don't play and have "deleted" 5 times.

I've played Destiny for hours on end every week since its release. Never threatened to delete it.

$20 for a few emotes, shaders, and pieces of gear is bullshit, border. You know it is.

Obviously value is subjective. There are people (fucking idiots in my books, but people nonetheless) that spend thousands of dollars on mobile games to dress up their fucking sprite people so they'll build stuff faster or whatever the hell. But if they want to do that and have the money to, so be it.

The issue here is that Bungie and Activision's value propositions are not subjective, and they clearly clearly clearly do not add up here.

$20 = The Dark Below = New shaders, new ships, new emblems, new missions, new gear, new armor, new weapons, new areas, new strikes, a new Raid.

$20 = House of Wolves = New shaders, new ships, new emblems, new missions, new gear, new armor, new weapons, new areas, new strikes, a new Battle Arena.

$20 = TKK CE content = New shaders, new emotes, new gear.

And that comparison I just typed up is FUCKING GENEROUS. If I added the number of shaders, gear, etc. that each one had, it'd look even worse. Which it is. It cannot be justified from a sensible point of view, other than "lol people will buy it."

 

[Two Words]

Bungie PR

No, that guy managed to actually go up the escalator eventually.

 

[Ramirez]

The Bungie I love is gone, no wonder MS got rid of them.

You're off your rocker if you think MS wouldn't love to have Destiny as an exclusive, lol.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The Bungie I love is gone, no wonder MS got rid of them.

MSFT... you are saying MSFT we will charge your for Gears maps that Epic wanted to release for free, and admitted they wanted to but MSFT said, fuck no son. That MSFT?

Epic always released official maps for free on the PC, and they wanted to share that same model, but were denied so they conformed to the publisher/IP owner.

The same company that was one of the huge promoters of DLC going into the 360 gen MSFT?

Come on now. I am not a fan of what is going on, but that was a silly statement.

 

[bananafactory]

No, that guy managed to actually go up the escalator eventually.

Well, people are still buying into the game, so they're just riding the money escalator up to Destiny 2

 

[GhaleonEB]

Give me a break. Everyone assumed expansions came with a Raid. They didn't even announce it would not have a Raid until a month before release. I get it, you like the game but cmon now. They have not done ONE consumer friendly thing since release and that PLANNED Raid was held back. That leaked image was a presentation, not some photoshop dude somewhere.

They announced it didn't have a raid a few days after they released the first teaser trailer for the expansion. And they did not hold back a raid. The PPT represented their plans at one point in time. The plans, clearly, changed.

 

[Two Words]

Well, people are still buying into the game, so they're just riding the money escalator up to Destiny 2

Assuming Destiny 2 doesn't have an immense change, something that would require to be current gen only, I think Destiny 2 is going to take a huge hit as far as sales goes. Sure, the hardcore Destiny fans will still buy it. But they've lost a ton of people who were initially interested in Destiny before playing it.

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

And there it is. "Deserve" and capitalism, ladies and gentlemen, have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

Exactly. Price this out... if you've three characters in Destiny as many of us do, we're talking about a meager $2.22 per item in contrast to WoW and DotA.

I'm glad we can get the Bobby Kotick perspective ITT

 

[Karl2177]

No, that isn't acceptable at all. Why are you working on the assumption that I think all past things done are okay?



Do you really think you need to explain to me that Bungie doesn't actually owe fans anything in any legal manner? It's pointless to make that argument when I'm not trying to say Bungie does legally owe them something.

Love generalizations when people are looking through with blinders on.

Who says those are acceptable? I am sure the people in here voicing their displeasure (shit we are allowed to do in a free market) still think that is too much as well.

Then if you don't think it is acceptable, then don't buy it. Is that concept hard to understand?

 

[blue_phazon]

A lot of those "extras" are missing.

The 20$ CE extra over Legendary edition gives you all the in game cosmetic stuff as well as a slew of physical collector items.

So if you bought the legendary edition and the cosmetic items you would pay the same price as the collectors edition but receive none of the physical collectors edition items.

So no steelbook case.

No "modified treasure island book with cayde 6's personal notes and illustrations".

No Strange Coin replica.

No CE box.

No "collection of relics and artifacts".

No "weapon schematic" poster.

Same price.

Oh I was talking about the digital collectors edition which is $80 I believe

 

[hydruxo]

$20 for a handful of cosmetic items is madness to me, no matter what game it is. I've played Destiny since day 1 but I can't justify paying that for some emotes/class items/shaders when it's the same price as TDB or HoW individually.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Then if you don't think it is acceptable, then don't buy it. Is that concept hard to understand?

Er mah gerd... fantastic broken record.

I will not buy it. However, we are still allowed to voice our opinions. You don't want to see them, then ignore them. Is that hard to understand?

I'm not going to buy it. I don't see what that has anything to do with me discussing it though. This is primarily a video game forum where we discuss our views on video games in general, not just the ones we buy or plan to buy. Is that concept hard to understand?

Apparently it is to the seemingly pro bono.

 

[Two Words]

Then if you don't think it is acceptable, then don't buy it. Is that concept hard to understand?

I'm not going to buy it. I don't see what that has anything to do with me discussing it though. This is primarily a video game forum where we discuss our views on video games in general, not just the ones we buy or plan to buy. Is that concept hard to understand?

 

[clav]

Gosh, this sounds like a great deal. Between this and $10 Hearthstone portraits, I'm getting a little depressed at what gamers will apparently support.

Pay to play once.

Arcade pricing. Now at home!

 

[pixel monkey]

I'm glad we can get the Bobby Kotick perspective ITT

Happy to oblige, love.

 

[Wallach]

Exactly. Price this out... if you've three characters in Destiny as many of us do, we're talking about a meager $2.22 per item in contrast to WoW and DotA.

There's a pretty key difference between DotA and Destiny that makes that proposition a little different.

Modern WoW is kind of a low bar to be clearing in this context. Probably not a bullet point you want to be using.

 

[Falcker]

Oh I was talking about the digital collectors edition which is $80 I believe

Right which is the same price as the physical edition with none of the extras.

 

[Palocca]

Sheeeeeeit, so buying digitally for TTK and extras is gonna cost 60 bucks total? I still might as well buy the physical collectors since it'll be 10 bucks more (including tax) with GCU.

Even then, I can't justify the cost. Their content for value ratio thus far has been laughable.