SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).

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Was a badass cutscene combat wise. Shame she had to die horribly and alone like a scrub in the desert after saving Big Medic.
 
SuperStiltzkin said:
Big Boss was lying to perpetuate the legend you see? Because everything that happened in MG1,2,MGS1,2,4 was one big hoax set up by Big Boss and Ocelot to combat CIpher/Patriots!

MGSV couldn't explain anything because MGS4 already established that Big Boss wasn't truly evil. He was just trying to combat Cipher/Zero. It's hard to establish a downward spiraling character arc when the end of the timeline and the Big Boss man himself pretty much go "lol I wasn't evil at all anyways!"
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MGS4 didn't establish anything of the sort.
 
lol at the "twist"

How sad that people called it last year. I really wish chapter 47 hadn't happened. Nevermind that I had to suffer through the intro again, for that. I guess The Master Of Retconning couldn't help but drop one final turd before he said his final good-bye to the franchise.

The plot in this game is incredibly dull. The stylish decision to direct all of the cut-scenes in one-shot is wasted. I'm once again disappointed with Kojima. I guess he spent all of his last good ideas in MGS3.

Good thing the actual game is great, except for the bosses.
 
jett said:
lol at the "twist"

How sad that people called it last year. I really wish chapter 47 hadn't happened. Nevermind that I had to suffer through the intro again, for that. I guess The Master Of Retconning couldn't help but drop one final turd before he said his final good-bye to the franchise.

The plot in this game is incredibly dull. The stylish decision to direct all of the cut-scenes in one-shot is wasted. I'm once again disappointed with Kojima. I guess he spent all of his last good ideas in MGS3.

Good thing the actual game is great, except for the bosses.
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His "last good ideas"?

Today is the day when you learn of Tomokazu Fukushima, the co-writer of Metal Gear Solid 1, 2 and 3.
 
I came to this game expecting Diamond Dogs to be renamed "Outer Heaven" following some important plot twist or development.

Instead it's all naw,
you're just the medic playing a convincing hoax while the real Big Boss decides "yo fuck those guys and Miller in particular. I wanna make a new nation that occurs entirely off screen, basically rendering MGSV 90% moot in regards to series canon so that we can develop an $80million game that maybe fills in 1 or 2 plot gaps related to a few games made in the 80's."
 
jett said:
lol at the "twist"

How sad that people called it last year. I really wish chapter 47 hadn't happened. Nevermind that I had to suffer through the intro again, for that. I guess The Master Of Retconning couldn't help but drop one final turd before he said his final good-bye to the franchise.

The plot in this game is incredibly dull. The stylish decision to direct all of the cut-scenes in one-shot is wasted. I'm once again disappointed with Kojima. I guess he spent all of his last good ideas in MGS3.

Good thing the actual game is great, except for the bosses.
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Yea 3 was the last good one. Arguably the best. Everything after has been trash
 
Viexi said:
I came to this game expecting Diamond Dogs to be renamed "Outer Heaven" following some important plot twist or development.

Instead it's all naw,
you're just the medic playing a convincing hoax while the real Big Boss decides "yo fuck those guys and Miller in particular. I wanna make a new nation that occurs entirely off screen, basically rendering MGSV 90% moot in regards to series canon so that we can develop an $80million game that maybe fills in 1 or 2 plot gaps related to a few games made in the 80's."
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I feel like the last portable games have ending with Outer Heaven cliff hangers that are forgotten but the next game and I was totally expecting the exact same here as well.

But then Konami started selling cool Outer Heaven merch and I got my hopes up again but nope. Same as Peace Walker...

A story with no consequence of Big Boss versus some random bad guy. The only things that matter are things they had to retcon to even get another story out of that era of the storyline... in this case Venom Snake which i guess is a big thing to toss into the fiction but its totally a twist for the sake of a twist at the end of the game and it was never even used much during the game outside of a few sly hints.


At the least it would have made sense for Miller to break off and return to his homeland and Big Boss takes complete control and rebrands it as Outer Heaven or something but we didnt even get that much.


The story is basically exactly where it was when Peace Walker ending but now Big Boss has a body double and Zero is paralysed. Everything else didnt matter.
 
jett said:
Oh man.

Oh hell.

Finally, at last, I've understood why there was such a massive drop in quality with MGS4. Thanks!
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Can someone list up all the problems they have with MGS4's story?

I've heard people shit all over it throughout the years but other than "nanomachines" and Liquid Ocelot, I don't see the need for all the hate.
 
Ishida said:
MGS4 didn't establish anything of the sort.
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It didn't say he wasn't evil, but I got the impression that we're somehow supposed to think Big Boss wasn't truly evil because Zero was the misguided one in trying to realize the Boss' will. So I never felt like he ever truly spiraled into evil in the first place. It seemed as though there was never a descent into madness or a dark turn to be had for his character. At least not such an extreme one. I always thought MGS3's ending was more than enough to make Big Boss distrust and turn on his government.
 
Thinking back about it, for all the shit I give them over the writing, that Huey line "I'm not like you guys, I'm a normal human being" is absolutely great. It's a bit on the nose as he utters it when you find out about the AI pod, but it's a genuinely good story moment.

(As long as you accept the fact Huey is an irredeemable piece of shit)
 
Hands of Stone said:
Can someone list up all the problems they have with MGS4's story?

I've heard people shit all over it throughout the years but other than "nanomachines" and Liquid Ocelot, I don't see the need for all the hate.
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Man, the only thing wrong with the story in this game is its unfulfilled potential and how sparse it is. When it's there it knocks it out of the park. I know this is a controversial opinion, but I loved every story bit that was there.

It's nice to want things, but I hope this game gets story DLC.
 
So why exactly would a goddamn medic be as badass as Big Bawse? And why would his voice be exactly the same? This is so silly. Man I'm just going to have to forget this game has a story.
 
Jawmuncher said:
So much this, that epilogue to this day still bothers me so much. Would have been so much better without it.
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It was painfully obvious that the original ending was overwritten with that one.

At least seeing Big Boss (the not-young version) in HD was cool.
 
Oh man, I wish all those tapes with vital information could've been cutscenes with the Metal Gear Theme playing in the background. Would make the game a thounsand times better imo. :/
 
jett said:
So why exactly would a goddamn medic be as badass as Big Bawse? And why would his voice be exactly the same? This is so silly. Man I'm just going to have to forget this game has a story.
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Hypnosis. Ocelot is an expert at it. They say something where the Medic experienced everything Big Boss has through some hypnosis. They Manchurian Candidated a comatose medic. And probably some Metal Gear future surgery to modify his voice.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Big Boss, dying in the graveyard: Anyway, now that we've established that you didn't really fight me in Outer Heaven.

Old Snake: That's horseshit, but okay.

Big Boss: I'm surprised your friend Hal turned out okay. His dad was a real prick.

Old Snake: All I know is that he was born on the same day as Hiroshima and he possibly drowned himself in a pool because he found out that Otacon was sleeping with his new wife.

Big Boss: Oh. Well...

Old Snake: Otacon beats himself up over designing REX and causing all that and shaming his father into death.

Big Boss: Oh, well it's good I'm here then, you can tell him that neither of those are really his fault.

Old Snake: what the fuck now

Big Boss: His dad actually built the first Metal Gear that was basically just an anorexic REX, then he built another one that was REX but it could stand up like a person and had a sword and whip. Little Mantis controlled that one but it had a cockpit for little kids only.

Old Snake: what

Big Boss: Yeah, Hal probably stole all that shit. Didn't do a thing, really. Anyway, Huey - that's Hal's father, by the by - probably killed himself out of the shame of setting my mercenaries up to be slaughtered like twice, then helping a bad guy named Skull Face, then wanting to put Hal in the cockpit of a Metal Gear as a test subject, then killing Hal's mother for not wanting that last part.

Old Snake: Otacon has been tormented by the knowledge that he indirectly killed his father for decades. Which is kind of familiar, but I'm having second thoughts about the regrets part.

Big Boss: Nah, Huey was a huge asshole, it's fine.
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Well actually neither of them really came up with the design for REX, Granin did.
 
Viexi said:
I came to this game expecting Diamond Dogs to be renamed "Outer Heaven" following some important plot twist or development.

Instead it's all naw,
you're just the medic playing a convincing hoax while the real Big Boss decides "yo fuck those guys and Miller in particular. I wanna make a new nation that occurs entirely off screen, basically rendering MGSV 90% moot in regards to series canon so that we can develop an $80million game that maybe fills in 1 or 2 plot gaps related to a few games made in the 80's."
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This sums it up nicely, and it makes me feel so sick and empty.
 
SuperStiltzkin said:
Hypnosis. Ocelot is an expert at it. They say something where the Medic experienced everything Big Boss has through some hypnosis. They Manchurian Candidated a comatose medic. And probably some Metal Gear future surgery to modify his voice.
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Also, in the tapes the real Big Boss states that the medic was "always the best man we had."
 
MDSVeritas said:
Also, in the tapes the real Big Boss states that the medic was "always the best man we had."
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To be fair, a lot of soldiers extracted in PW had like A+ or S ranking in med skill and still had A or higher in combat.

MMarston said:
At least we had an epilogue there lol
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Ice burn
 
Man I wish Huey would fuck off. He's the most annoying fucking scumbag in this entire game and he constantly acts like he's the victim. Having just finished Mission 43 I wish he could've been down in the Quarintine Lab so I could've shot him too.
 
For some reason I really really really enjoyed seeing non-on-fire Volgin. Maybe because he's such a two dimensional evil relishing bastard who is unfuckwithable and unretconnable by the writing (other than the fact that he was in a coma and didn't get burned and shot to death by his own bullets). He's just an evil angry dude in MGSV which is exactly what he was in MGS3. And they never try to explain his powers by parasites or nanomachines.
 
Hands of Stone said:
Can someone list up all the problems they have with MGS4's story?

I've heard people shit all over it throughout the years but other than "nanomachines" and Liquid Ocelot, I don't see the need for all the hate.
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I can't speak for everyone, but I personally disliked Cam Clarke not voicing Oceliquid, Naomi and Mei Ling losing their accents, Johnny Sasaki actually being a character instead of a recurring easter egg, Raiden relapsing and playing out a similar arc to his MGS2 self, lack of interaction between old characters except for Naomi x Otacon (I wanted to see Raiden discuss things with Naomi or Meryl discuss things with Otacon), Metal Gear REX being able to defeat Metal Gear RAY, the Patriots consisting of the MGS3 support team instead of remaining a mysterious group, FOXALIVE, Big Boss coming back to steal the spotlight from Solid, and Snack's mustache. And beyond that I have gripes with the game design but those are my story issues.

Nanomachines are pretty low on my list of complaints over MGS4. They were already established since MGS1.
 
Tookay said:
So I... I sorta liked MGS4's epilogue.

Was it overlong? Yes.

Was it silly? Yes.

But damn if it wasn't cathartic.
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I'd definitely grant that certain, specific parts of MGS4's epilogue were done extremely well. It just sucks that they were surrounded by such heavy-handed, pointless nonsense.

Sub_Level said:
I can't speak for everyone, but I personally disliked Cam Clarke not voicing Oceliquid, Naomi and Mei Ling losing their accents, Johnny Sasaki actually being a character instead of a recurring easter egg, Raiden relapsing and playing out a similar arc to his MGS2 self, lack of interaction between old characters except for Naomi x Otacon (I wanted to see Raiden discuss things with Naomi or Meryl discuss things with Otacon), Metal Gear REX being able to defeat Metal Gear RAY, the Patriots consisting of the MGS3 support team instead of remaining a mysterious group, FOXALIVE, Big Boss coming back to steal the spotlight from Solid, and Snack's mustache. And beyond that I have gripes with the game design but those are my story issues.
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Wow. Also all of this. Nailed it.
 
RK9039 said:
At the very least it was better than what we got in this new game. It had an actual closure without leaving much unanswered.
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MGS4 is the final ending to the series so it would make sense for it to have closure. V is prequel, I expect it to leave a lot open for the rest of the series to deal with.
 
For how ridiculous MGS4 story is I prefer it to V due to the simple fact that it felt like a complete game and story for the most part. The more I think about the cut content and lack of a resolution on a few things it annoys the shit out of me.
 
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