..Jason has posted multiple times in this thread already
Destiny will continue to have paid expansions/DLC (Read OP)
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..Jason has posted multiple times in this thread already
Agreed, It will probably be Destiny 2 or whatever it will be called but I also expect that one to be ps4 and xbox one only, no last gen systems.
Franchise is special but your also the one defending another game with insanity.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
What? People breezing through articles to shitpost in a Destiny thread? Say it ain't so!
That's what everyone said after vanilla Destiny. After TTK there are now 25 million players and people are crazy about microtransactions lol
Portugeezer
Member
How about Destiny 2?
This is all getting wild here. Though Jason is stating the opposite, this is what I think will happen...
Live team events and small missions and quests (Halloween events, Xmas events, Trials, Iron Banner, etc etc etc) will be free thanks to the microtransactions. And we'll get much more of them keeping the game feeling more alive.
But bigger expansions and story missions and new gear and new strikes and new raids and raising the effective light level cap will be paid.
That makes the most sense IMO.
Edit: there is no way there isn't a major raid/strike/arena content drop with new gear and LL until the fall. Can't happen....the player numbers would crumble.
Live team events and small missions and quests (Halloween events, Xmas events, Trials, Iron Banner, etc etc etc) will be free thanks to the microtransactions. And we'll get much more of them keeping the game feeling more alive.
But bigger expansions and story missions and new gear and new strikes and new raids and raising the effective light level cap will be paid.
That makes the most sense IMO.
Edit: there is no way there isn't a major raid/strike/arena content drop with new gear and LL until the fall. Can't happen....the player numbers would crumble.
DarkLordMalik
Member
That would have happened either way. Destiny is huge and it has also likely sold millions of PS4 so this is not a bad deal for Sony. Win Win situation for both of them except people like us who are not a fan of the series.
Look forward to seeing Destiny @ Sony's E3 Conference for the next few years.
I read his replies after my post so edited it.
This is my expectation as well, though I think the events and updates will get more substantial over time.
What? People breezing through articles to shitpost in a Destiny thread? Say it ain't so!
Well, it does give me something to do after lunch.
robertlebrone
Member
I assume he's glad he bailed so he didn't get stuck in a never ending money pit that is Destiny. I like the game, but I've spent over $160 dollars on it. I can't knock someone if they didn't want to do that.
The $500m is the figure that Acti would spend on the entire franchise - dev costs, marketing, support etc - over its 10 year life. This covers the base game, semi annual updates, and the fully fledged sequels.
If you think Bungie were written a cheque for half a billion bucks, and that money is just sat in thier corporate bank account, you're crazy.
Every game would have its own budget. Every update would have its own budget. The cost to support year two would have a budget, seperate to the cost to make additional updates and Destiny 2. It sounds like they're using MT to expand the Live Team. That money has to come from somewhere.
If all the MTs fund are things like the festival of the dead and a drip feed of new maps, that's completely OK. I haven't, and won't, spend a cent of my real money on Silver. Others will, as they love the emotes.
Mushroomer25
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Regardless, it needs to be Bungie's place to look at people's assumptions & expectations, and manage them to better fit the reality. This seems like a completely avoidable controversy, as all it would take is Bungie making a statement that draws a definable line between full 'Desitny 2' level expansions, and the smaller content packs that the game has seen so far. Ideally, the player base should be able to say - 'if these microtransactions were here from the beginning, Desiny would've looked like THIS'. Give them a clear grasp on this change, and they'll have a chance to properly react to it. Keeping it vague just ensures constant duress.
So are you saying as of when you got your information that the only planned raid between now and "Destiny 2" is kings fall? And all Destiny stuff or "events" between now and Destiny 2 will be like Queens Wrath or festival of the lost or Trials or Iron Banner?
StalkerUKCG
Banned
As some one with over 1000 hours invested I'll buy and play any and all content I'm getting my monies worth.
What I expected is to pay for an expansion/sequel every year and the content in-between would be free. That is what we are getting.
It's funny to me, some people spend $200 on dinner, what's wrong with using that money for video games? Especially for a game played everyday. Video games, restaurants, fancy clothing, traveling, etc are all luxuries that fall into the same budget (personally). I should be able to use my money however I want without judgement. If I want to spend $7 on a thriller dance, I will.
That's how I see things.
It's funny to me, some people spend $200 on dinner, what's wrong with using that money for video games? Especially for a game played everyday. Video games, restaurants, fancy clothing, traveling, etc are all luxuries that fall into the same budget (personally). I should be able to use my money however I want without judgement. If I want to spend $7 on a thriller dance, I will.
That's how I see things.
Revolutionary
Member
Man, they're really drip feeding new areas. At this rate, Europa will debut in 2020.
RedAssedApe
Banned
ya'll naive/insane if you for some reason thought all future expansions would be free
dantevsninjas
Member
No, more just the general state of everything surrounding Destiny. Everything that comes out seems to be a cash grab or just generally overpriced, and the content, while apparently improved, still seems like it isn't where it should be. The whole thing is just a bland mess, and the never-ending treadmill of paid content only makes it more unappealing.
I..agree? I think maybe I'm getting mixed up with the chain of quotes/posts here. The Kotaku article's sources seemed to imply that things on the level TDB/HoW would be free because of the microtransaction stuff. Like I said in my original post I think if Bungie decides to charge for something on a TDB level in 3 months then it's worth flipping out about for sure, but right now we just have no idea about upcoming content really. Apologies if I'm misunderstanding what you were getting at though, I had to follow like 3 quotes backwards so I might be missing it.
You're not completely wrong (I have VERY frequently bitched about Bungie's extremely poor messaging/PR in multiple Destiny threads at this point as one of, if not my biggest complaints with them at the moment), but at the same time it's probably unreasonable for them to outline things that specifically. Regardless of it's free or paid or what they're never going to put out things way ahead of time like "this DLC is 3 quests, 1 PvP map, etc" because a lot of that stuff is subjective time and quality-wise, and all that will happen is people will bitch and complain either way no matter what. The only thing I can think of that they could maybe reasonably do is say something like "there will be no paid story or area content until next fall", but even that's probably a losing proposition for them since people will dissect that different ways as well. They could be handling this a bit better for sure, but their fanbase is going to rip them apart no matter what, and others are going to just driveby shitpost no matter what. Ultimately none of this will make any difference until we have extremely concrete details on upcoming DLC, paid or not.
JetBlackPanda
Member
paid? not paid? I don't give a shit but if I have to wait until fall 2016 to get another Raid.... Destiny is in big trouble.
I don't know what free stuff they've got planned, but I think there'll be some quests, too -- stuff that's more substantial than Festival of the Lost, but not quite as meaty as House of Wolves. I don't know any of that for sure, though, and I don't know if they're going to add a raid. (It'd sure be nice if they clarified!)
What I do know is that--unless something has changed in the past month, which, sure, anything's possible!--there will be no paid expansions until fall 2016.
Surely, that's not a serious question.
Thanks a lot for the info! A lot of us around here really appreciate all the work you put in and all the scoops!
Doctor Ironic
Member
I mean, it's almost half the price of the old expansions for 1% of the work. I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
Crimson_Gold
Member
I truly hope that the expansion leaves the old gen behind and truly expands areas/increases party sizes or the size of encounters
Pop
Member
WOW a single quest for free!! How generous of Bungie. Other developers do this and more without even announcing this "free" content.
Activision/Bungie playing people but why should they care. People are eagerly willing to play $7 for a dance. Now that's crazy
Gillian Seed
Banned
Destiny 2 in 2016? I thought it was s 10 Year plan? Anyways I am in desperate need of Weapon Parts, and Strikes just aren't cutting it anymore. Bungie needs to fix this!
Xeroqualms
Neo Member
If they keep creating content like the secret Daily Exotic quests and things like the Halloween event that went on last week, I'd say that's worth the micro-transactions. It's also worth the wait between TTK-tier expansions which we can continue to pay for. Stuff like the Dark Below and House of Wolves would definitely be disappointing.
Wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Christmas event in December. Here's hoping.
Wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Christmas event in December. Here's hoping.
Destiny 2, 3 and 4 were always part of the 10 year plan. We just don't know exactly how it's going to work out now. "Destiny 2" might just be a major expansion now.
My personal prediction for the rest of the year is that they are going to sit around for a bit in early November and let people do Trials/Hard mode. And then late Nov/Dec they release the Challenge mode raid stuff they've been talking about and then a Christmas event.
Next year though I'm curious what content we will get.
N
Noray
Unconfirmed Member
Bungie, clarifying anything? Good one. They don't even bother to do that when they're talking about nerfing in-game items that will affect a lot of people (Black Spindle). They're for sure not going to spill the beans on their plans for monetizing Destiny because they probably don't want to be tied down to anything.
But I'll say it again, regardless what you think of Destiny - Bungie's communication and community management is abysmal. It's shocking how bad it is. I really don't understand. Isn't Deej community manager? You barely hear from him, and when you do, it's usually vague and somewhat condescending.
Agree 100%. It's been their biggest problem since launch.
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
*forge maps
Worldshaker
Member
This is what I expected.
Kind of scummy IMO. Micro-transactions like this in a full price game with paid expansions kind of rubs me the wrong way (as it does many others obviously). I can't help but feel like the time spent on creating this entire silver system/dances could have been used to fix the games many glaring problems.
This is coming from someone who's only been playing for 2-3 weeks now. Had I known about microtransactions coming I would have not bought Destiny. I'ts not even about the $60 I spent. I can't think of many cases where cash shops in fully priced games have added meaningful content (or enhanced the game play) to any game.
I avoided Evolve for this very reason. It's a slippery slope now. What's next after emotes? How much time will they actually spend on fixing the game? Will they just focus more on the cash shop? Who knows, but I may be checking out very soon.
Kind of scummy IMO. Micro-transactions like this in a full price game with paid expansions kind of rubs me the wrong way (as it does many others obviously). I can't help but feel like the time spent on creating this entire silver system/dances could have been used to fix the games many glaring problems.
This is coming from someone who's only been playing for 2-3 weeks now. Had I known about microtransactions coming I would have not bought Destiny. I'ts not even about the $60 I spent. I can't think of many cases where cash shops in fully priced games have added meaningful content (or enhanced the game play) to any game.
I avoided Evolve for this very reason. It's a slippery slope now. What's next after emotes? How much time will they actually spend on fixing the game? Will they just focus more on the cash shop? Who knows, but I may be checking out very soon.
Yeah..... this was the only way I'd come back. I'm out. It was a good run but it's not worth losing access to my work or what I paid for any more in how they update the game.
Huh? DeeJ posts daily on r/DestinyTheGame. And is just as active on Twitter and Bungie.net.
The Black Spindle nerf was warned ahead of time, to give you ample chance to infuse it if 310 was worth more than the actual gun.
I think folks are confusing the "Live Team" with the main dev team. The Live guys are responsible for patches and balance updates. Which have increased in frequency in year two. The MT will be used to expand what they can offer. Not just under the hood tweaks, but events and festivals. They're not the people building new raids.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Sorry yeah this seems to be a giant mess stemming from the way that different people refer to different types of content as "expansions". I agree that if they mean TTK-like updates then that's fine, but if they start charging again for TDB-esque content then that's unacceptable.
It's not Bungie's job to correct Kotaku's mistakes.
I highly doubt the teams that are creating dances are the same teams working on bug fixes.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Getting to fall2016 without some really decent content is going to be a hard sell. I'm wrapping up TTK now on all 3 character and if a few time gated lackluster exotics are all the await me going forward I'm not going to be too pleased.
It's another large problem that they have effectively destroyed any desire to play year 1 content again by removing them from the current strike playlist (other than legacy) and having the other 2 raids have no worthwhile drops to anyone above level 36 beyond a item here or there to unlock another mediocre exotic
It's another large problem that they have effectively destroyed any desire to play year 1 content again by removing them from the current strike playlist (other than legacy) and having the other 2 raids have no worthwhile drops to anyone above level 36 beyond a item here or there to unlock another mediocre exotic
Stallion Dan
Member
Of course they wait a month before correcting Kotaku, enough time for people to be ok with MTs because they think it means free content.
Last year's model:
Two smaller paid expansions, followed by a large paid expansion at the end of the year. If you skipped first two paid expansions you missed out on neary everything new that Destiny did (though they added the PvP maps and strikes for all users over time).
This year's model:
Cosmetic items are for sale, which you can ignore completely, fund a steady stream of content/activities for everyone, whether you buy anything or not. Followed by a paid expansion at the end of the year.
Which model do you prefer, and why? I'm interested to read why this year's model is "kind of scummy" when the only way it impacts you, if you don't like the items for sale, is to increase the amount of free Destiny content you get. I get the feeling most people expressing this kind of viewpoint don't understand what the micro transactions actually entail.
