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[Holmes]

Aaron, have you decided who you're caucusing for?

 

[pigeon]

Considering that US intelligence services will have to spend many years trying to figure out which country has which of her emails, yes she did at least make a mistake.

They all have all of her emails because they're all being released to the public. Remember?

 

[ivysaur12]

Activist doesn't refer to the results. I'm referring to their interpretation of the Constitution.

"Activist judges" only means judges you don't agree with.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Aaron, have you decided who you're caucusing for?

Bernie, probably...

I mean his supporters are kind of pissing me off but I'll try not to hold that against the candidate.

 

[noshten]

Obama couldn't even enact many of his trillion dollar campaign promises with Democratic majorities in Congress tho......

Yet still got elected
So once again what was your point?

 

[QuiteWhittle]

https://twitter.com/AlbaMonica/status/699641976887644161

@AlbaMonica Rev. Sharpton jokes about whether he's going to endorse her, says she knows already. HRC says: "My lips are sealed."

 

[B-Dubs]

They all have all of her emails because they're all being released to the public. Remember?

https://twitter.com/AlbaMonica/status/699641976887644161

This right here is just trolling :lol

 

[eBay Huckster]

Can you summarize because Thorpe's analysis is not very good (it does highlight some really egregious errors on sander's side) and super pessimistic.

Those 3-4 pages weren't talking about the single-payer program - they're talking about the second biggest component of his platform.

 

[JesseEwiak]

Is there really any chance of Hillary Clinton withdrawing from the race? It seems unlikely. But a former defence chief to President Obama says she ought to suspend the campaign due to concerns. And considering what we have seen in the past few days regarding her emails classification, you have to openly question how she can be trusted with any sensitive material at all until this matter is laid to rest. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...should-drop-out-of-presidential-race-n2118063

You realize you're linking to a right wing site that gives Chuck Norris op ed space, right?

Yet still got elected
So once again what was your point?

The difference is Obama campaigned on no middle class tax increases - Sanders is promising that. Again, this goes back to the socialist thing. There's a difference of being accused of being a socialist and admitting it to swing voters in suburban Virginia, Ohio, and Colorado.

 

[Holmes]

Yet still got elected
So once again what was your point?

Ok so... do you just want him elected or do you want his policies enacted??

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Anyhow my point has never been elect Bernie Sanders and 100% of the vague things on his website will become true. What I've always said is elect Bernie Sanders and have the conversations about these issues. Shift the national focus and marginalize elected officials who have decided it's their job to strong arm the system every time they or their donors don't get their way.

When has this ever worked? FDR knew that after you become President momentum gets lost and the ability to get things accomplished is diminished. That was the entire rationale behind his first 100 days program. If the plan is elect Sanders, have a conversation, then do things, you'll get about as much accomplished as Obama in 2011.

 

[Veritigo_X]

You realize you're linking to a right wing site that gives Chuck Norris op ed space, right?

Noticing this more and more from people on the left...

 

[Gruco]

Obama’s Multi-Trillion Dollar Campaign Promises Unrealistic, Tax Expert Says

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...campaign-promises-unrealistic-tax-expert-says

....this article has people who are defending Obama's spending proposals. Even if it didn't, it was written at a point in time where everyone knew the core of Obama's campaign economics team and what his top handful of priorities would be going into office. The issue is not that Some Guy has criticized Sanders, it's that Sanders has what is essentially a climate-denier support rate among economists and no realistic advisors.

If Clinton can't handle the "unprecedented" attacks from the Sanders campaign she should just give up right now.

Honestly I have really mixed thoughts about this. I get that a non-cakewalk can be helpful, that Clinton may come out of this stronger, that it's up to her to win, that if she loses it's its own form of weakness, etc. At the same time recent history has no shortage of examples where this is NOT true. See Akin, Todd.

 

[B-Dubs]

Noticing this more and more from people on the left...

I try not to point it out anymore given how often it's happening these days.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

The idea of a general election where neither candidate supports single payer and both support the death penalty is a little deflating.

 

[GuyKazama]

"Activist judges" only means judges you don't agree with.

It means much more than that. But granted, from my perspective they are the same

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Lol. Just now at the Trump rally, Donald invited two men on stage to speak after stopping a protester. One man was nearly brought to tears and there was thunderous applause.

 

[Veritigo_X]

I try not to point it out anymore given how often it's happening these days.

It's usually met with "attack the article itself not the source" so it gets kinda tiring. It's like, where do I even begin?

 

[JesseEwiak]

The idea of a general election where neither candidate supports single payer and both support the death penalty is a little deflating.

I mean, that's only been every election in American history.

 

[Gruco]

The idea of a general election where neither candidate supports single payer and both support the death penalty is a little deflating.

I think the last major party candidate to oppose the death penalty in a presidential election was Dukakis. I don't even know who the last to actively campaign on single payer would have been.

 

[ivysaur12]

It means much more than that. But granted, from my perspective they are the same

I find Citizens United to be an "activist" court. I find corporate personhood to be "activist". This works both ways.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

I mean, that's only been every election in American history.

So? Shouldn't that bother anyone who supports single payer and ending the death penalty?

 

[ivysaur12]

So? Shouldn't that bother anyone who supports single payer and ending the death penalty?

If those are the issues that you vote on, maybe.

 

[Macho Madness]

Well. That Onion article hit my Twitter timeline. Satire Site Posts Article, Twitter Real Mad It Was Positive About Not Their Candidate Of Choice.

 

[B-Dubs]

So? Shouldn't that bother anyone who supports single payer and ending the death penalty?

The thing is, the general electorate is such that you can't come right out and say you want to end the death penalty without taking an unneeded hit for it so you have to hint at it.

Well. That Onion article hit my Twitter timeline. Satire Site Posts Article, Twitter Real Mad It Was Positive About Not Their Candidate Of Choice.

Wait, seriously?

 

[Cerium]

Predictit seems to think there's an 84% chance that Obama will get a nominee confirmed.

Tempting, but it might not cash out for another year.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict 6m6 minutes ago
If Trump wins SC by 10%+, he's probably winning all 7 CDs & all 50 delegates. How does Cruz spin a shutout in a heavily evangelical state?

Geoffrey Skelley ‏@geoffreyvs 15m15 minutes ago Charlottesville, VA
Trump might have a support ceiling BUT he has broad support geographically, unlike other Rs. Crowded field hugely benefits him.

.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

If those are the issues that you vote on, maybe.

Racial inequality is my biggest issue personally. Not a single candidate is wholly satisfactory on that front, even "radical leftist" Bernie Sanders. It's just disheartening.

 

[Aaron Strife]

I find Citizens United to be an "activist" court. I find corporate personhood to be "activist". This works both ways.

Yeah but those things benefit republicans hurdur

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Predictit seems to think there's an 84% chance that Obama will get a nominee confirmed.

Tempting, but it might not cash out for another year.

Predictit also thinks there's a 30% chance Clinton gets indicted. When it comes to stuff that doesn't have polls, predictit is basically trash.

 

[Macho Madness]

Wait, seriously?

Google the intercept Univision the onion

 

[B-Dubs]

Google the intercept Univision the onion

I knew about the sale, I was talking about the reaction to the article. I went and searched it out and it made my head hurt.

 

[Iolo]

Obama: "I'm stepping down, Joe's in charge for the last year. We had an agreement and I am going to honor it."

Biden: (To Obama) "Hold my beer" (To the press) "My first act as president is to appoint Barack Obama to the vacant seat."

Obama: (laughs)

That's so Biden.

If Clinton can't handle the "unprecedented" attacks from the Sanders campaign she should just give up right now.

They're not at all unprecedented. They've been used for over 20 years by the right wing.

 

[ivysaur12]

Google the intercept Univision the onion

It's ridiculous.

 

[pigeon]

It means much more than that. But granted, from my perspective they are the same

So what does it mean, then?

 

[Dixon's Jet]

You realize you're linking to a right wing site that gives Chuck Norris op ed space, right?

I should familiarize myself with right wing sites so this stops happening.

 

[Frank the Great]

It is well established in legal circles that "activist" is just a term used to describe Justices with whom one disagrees.

Personally, I never use the term. It is a terrible descriptor because it literally applies to all judges.

 

[Holmes]

Is "The Intercept" reddit-based millenial investigative journalism?

 

[B-Dubs]

Is "The Intercept" reddit-based millenial investigative journalism?

It's Glen Greenwald's site, so pretty much.

 

[Hilbert]

Well. That Onion article hit my Twitter timeline. Satire Site Posts Article, Twitter Real Mad It Was Positive About Not Their Candidate Of Choice.

Yea, that intercept article just appeared all over my facebook.

Can't even enjoy my satire anymore.

 

[noshten]

Ok so... do you just want him elected or do you want his policies enacted??

When has this ever worked? FDR knew that after you become President momentum gets lost and the ability to get things accomplished is diminished. That was the entire rationale behind is first 100 days program. If the plan is elect Sanders, have a conversation, then do things, you'll get about as much accomplished as Obama in 2011.

See, I found Obama disappointing in certain areas which I don't believe would be the same under Sanders.
- Sanders first of all would not select a SoS like Clinton - I expect a more level headed administration in terms of foreign policy and certain a fewer numbers of dictators/governments toppled. I find that liberals who are happy to vote for a Clinton's foreign policy doctrine puzzling.
- The Drug War is another piece that I've found Obama's stance simply not good enough - changing the focus and rescheduling Marijuana paving the way for legalization and more research would be a good place to start and can be fairly easily implemented.
- Campaign finance needs to be overhauled on which I simply trust in Sanders while Clinton is less trustworthy on the subject - realistically it appears she doesn't understand the corrupting influence of the system she is part of. She obviously didn't feel it would be problematic to be running for president while doing a speaking tours to cheer up big business - while it obviously is a huge issue this election.
- Trade deals being more transparent for the public and more focused on bringing in countries that follow humanitarian norms.
- Education should be a right not a privilege, when I hear Clinton talk about Trumps kids I literally cringe - what sort of half arsed logic is she using. If Trumps grand kids want to go to go through public education system they are free to do so and their tuition should be free.
- Sanders is the only candidate that wants all people eligible to be automatically registered to vote and is also proposing election day to be a public holiday.

Those are just some areas where I think he differs pretty greatly with Clinton - whether his plan or her plan is better is immaterial because both have a zero chance of being implemented in the 100 days following their inauguration. Clinton lost me last election with her foreign policy stance. Clinton and Obama didn't really differ as greatly on other subject, yet she lost. From the start I've said she is a bad candidate even before seriously considering Sanders. The fact that people need to defend her with Republican talking points and fear-monger about the dangers of Sanders is very amusing to me. Just face it - even in the least competitive field imaginable she is loosing ground to a nominee who barely anyone knew 8 months ago. Forget Obama and Sanders the problem lies with Clinton and her failure to relate with other people, failure to understand the underlining issues people have with her and why they question her integrity, or to understand that being a policy wonk doesn't win elections. To me she is a weaker GE candidate and the faster realists realize this the better it is for the GE.

Like I said Bernie's "unprecedented attacks" are nothing compared to what Trump and other GOP hopefuls will fling at her. You can say that she is prepared after 30 years of attacks but obviously she is not prepared enough considering she lost to Obama and is currently losing her lead to a 74 year old socialist who barely anyone knew 8 months ago, who has practically no support from the party and had no organization in most primary states 2 months ago.

They're not at all unprecedented. They've been used for over 20 years by the right wing.

Please enlighten me about these attacks that have been user over the last 20 years which Sanders has employed ?

In other endorsement related news: Georgia state senator switches endorsement from Clinton to Sanders

"After months of looking at Bernie's record and studying his positions on healthcare, Wall Street, predatory lending and the minimum wage, I came to the conclusion that Bernie's position on the issues that affect my constituents in Georgia the most conform most closely to my positions,"

"As people have a chance to listen to him, to have a chance to understand that he’s speaking to the issues that are the most critical," Fort said, according to the Georgia newspaper.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-endorsement-swap-bernie-sanders-219321

 

[PBY]

Damn, Trump bringing up the barking

It was kind of a weird moment though.

 

[Wall]

Pessimism has absolutely nothing to do with accuracy.

When estimating, you go with the worst case scenario in uncharted waters.

Otherwise, you're just doing the GOP tax cut math.

Estimates still need to be based on valid premises though. Thorpe doesn't provide a lot of documentation for his estimates, but his citations seem to indicate that he bases those estimates on Vermont's attempt to implement single payer. Vermont's experience simply cannot be extrapolated to a nationwide implementation of Canadian style singe payer in the United States.

http://dollarsandsense.org/Friedman-response-to-Thorpe-paper-020516.pdf

http://www1.cuny.edu/mu/forum/2016/01/29/on-kenneth-thorpes-analysis-of-senator-sanders-single-payer-reform-plan/

 

[TumblingHippo]

Politics, where a scream or a bark can be weaponized against you, but saying you'll discriminate against an entire group of people will get you votes.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Estimates still need to be based on valid premises though. Thorpe's doesn't provide a lot of documentation for his estimates, but his citations seem to indicate that he bases those estimates on Vermont's attempt to implement single payer. Vermont's experience simply cannot be extrapolated to a nationwide implementation of Canadian style singe payer in the United States.

http://dollarsandsense.org/Friedman-response-to-Thorpe-paper-020516.pdf

http://www1.cuny.edu/mu/forum/2016/01/29/on-kenneth-thorpes-analysis-of-senator-sanders-single-payer-reform-plan/

Part of the vagueness in estimating Sanders' plan is that you can't even reliably track what the incomes for it are. For instance, when politifact tried to sum everything up they couldn't because the treatment of deductibles and co-pays isn't specified. Requiring critics of your plan to accurately estimate savings when the plan is intentionally vague on key points is pretty unfair.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ch-would-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan-cos/

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Thom Tillis, of all people, is also walking back the idea that the Senate won't even look at an Obama Supreme Court nominee. Its starting to look like this weekend was the Republicans opening bargaining position and now they've looking for someone that can be quietly approved.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tillis-scotus-nom

 

[Wall]

Part of the vagueness in estimating Sanders' plan is that you can't even reliably track what the incomes for it are. For instance, when politifact tried to sum everything up they couldn't because the treatment of deductibles and co-pays isn't specified. Requiring critics of your plan to accurately estimate savings when the plan is intentionally vague on key points is pretty unfair.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ch-would-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan-cos/

There have been numerous studies done on the savings associated with implementing single payer in the United States. Those studies all come to the obvious conclusion that such plans would bring U.S. health care costs closer to those of countries where single-payer type plans are used - in other words, U.S. health care costs would fall. While Sander's plan may not have the details some would like, basing estimates of the plan's impacts on wildly unrealistic premises helps nobody. Right now, people in Colorado are trying to implement their own version of Single Payer. Poor analyses such as Thorpe's just spread FUD and hurt everybody. As for Sander's plan in particular, it's obviously just a rough sketch of what would be enacted in a perfect world.

 

[Cerium]

Thom Tillis, of all people, is also walking back the idea that the Senate won't even look at an Obama Supreme Court nominee. Its starting to look like this weekend was the Republicans opening bargaining position and now they've looking for someone that can be quietly approved.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tillis-scotus-nom

When are the primaries over? I can't imagine the Republicans confirming anyone while there's still the threat of a primary challenge.

Srinivasan would probably be the least controversial choice, but Cuellar or bust tbh.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Thom Tillis, of all people, is also walking back the idea that the Senate won't even look at an Obama Supreme Court nominee. Its starting to look like this weekend was the Republicans opening bargaining position and now they've looking for someone that can be quietly approved.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tillis-scotus-nom

He said Republicans' concern is that Obama would nominate someone who is "ideologically aligned” with him, and "that's out of step with the American people.”

"If he puts forth someone that we think is in the mold of President Obama’s vision for America, then we’ll use every device available to block that nomination,” Tillis continued.

This guy is a dumbass. The same American people that voted Obama for president over the RNC goon Romney..

 

[RustyNails]

I really need to know how srinivasan will vote on citizens united, obamacare (if more lawsuits bubble up) and Obama's immigration orders. It's too much to risk on someone who media is calling "centrist". Wish we could clone RBG and stack her 8 times on the bench.