it's the new "looks like a tv show"
I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
- Thread starter TheDanger
- Start date
- Status
it's the new "looks like a tv show"
I love your posts in these threads so much
Dash_Riprock
Member
Especially when BvS cast a well known actor as Batman, and its plot is simply the two most famous DC stories of all time (badly) mushed together.
Seems safe as fuck to me.
Nah, safe would have been doing what Marvel did. Taking their time to slowly build towards this conflict while simultaneously setting up other threats. Instead WB said "GO BIG OR GO HOME" and now they are at home trying to figure out what they should do next.
Oh having motivation and reason easily put both of them above WW's needless appearance.
KOMANI
KOMANI
I think what you mean is, " SMART".
Reptars Revenge
Member
B vs S is horrible. Not only is civil war significantly better, there are at least three scooby doo batman cross overs that were more entertaining than it. I demand a live action worlds greatest detectives movie. Is everyone dead who made the animated series and movies because I just don't understand why they are hiring these horrible people to write these DC movies.
KOMANI
KOMANI
OH, I'm not saying 'smart', like it's going over your head, I'm saying smart as its a smart move.
Dash_Riprock
Member
The best (worst?) part is now that they've already killed Superman they can't milk that story line again in a later film when it would've had far more impact.
Marvel gets flak for not letting their heroes die and rightly so, but if come Infinity War the death toll is as large as I'm predicting, the audience's emotional impact will be immense.
I feel the same way. It's a lazy criticism that doesn't say anything.
A fitting description for a lazy movie that doesn't say anything.
March of the Crabs
Member
I liked the action scenes in BvS better I think but Civil War is the better movie overall by a large margin.
L
Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
Will it though? Maybe if it's Cap or IM. Other than that, I doubt the audiences would give a shit if Ant-Man, Thor or Hawkeye etc. bites the bullet. "Damn, he is dead? Ohh well".
I like the idea of starting in medias res with Batman and such.
But they bungled everything else
Then they "kill" Superman and literally communicate that his death wont even stick, right there in the same damn film.
Like... Okay? When contrasting these films, it seems impossible to call CW safe, or indicate that it has no lasting consequences in comparison with BvS.
You are mis-remembering the timeline.
Cap is already a fugitive and not allowed to 'fight crime' by the point that the evidence comes to light exonerating WS. He cannot just walk into the UN without being arrested, no matter the outcome of the Bucky investigation. Which is why he does the next best thing. Sends the info to someone who CAN get it to the UN. Tony. Tony takes the info to them only to have them throw it in his face and say "You think I'm going to listen to you after all that's happened?"
Thats interesting. I keep seeing this argument played both ways. If you talk about how incredible it is for a Cap movie to gross what CW is about to gross, people jump in to tell me "Yeah but thats because its basically an avengers movie with Hawkeye and Antman and BWidow and all those folks". But as soon as someone mentions the audience caring about the possible death of those characters, now suddenly the audience doesn't care for the ancillary characters at all?
Really?
WB hoped people would fill in the gaps and it doesn't work that way. Good stories need a proper set-up, which Batman v Superman[ doesn't do well.
Dash_Riprock
Member
You'd be surprised. I still remember the uproar when that Colson guy seemingly died in Avengers 1.
I still think their impatience is unforgivable.
See Marvel making that money and decide you want to copy that system? Fine.
Copy the system without putting the time in to establish the characters, and instead retrofit MoS as a 'universe' movie after the fact? Nah. That's just lazy shortcutting because these guys are too damn impatient, and they want that team up movie money right away.
Except there's no actual conflict because the government could never control a band of super humans and aliens from other galaxies. That would be like an ant-hill telling a human , "you better do what we say- or else!"
And as I already said, all the other subplots made just as little sense.
Escape Goat
Member
Who are these people? :lol
PeterLegend
Member
At the end of Batman vs Superman, the character's motivations were not explained.
At the end of Civil War, the character's motivations were explained.
Hmm...
At the end of Civil War, the character's motivations were explained.
Hmm...
I don't think Batman v. Superman is as bad as what the reviews have said, but it wasn't anywhere near the level of Civil War quality-wise. Civil War even did "dark" better than BvS, because the darkness actually mattered. It didn't in BvS, it was just gritty for the sake of being gritty.
brandonh83
Banned
I hate the "safe" complaint. So, so very much.
But do you like steaks?
Medium rare
Most movies that "have something to say" usually come off sounding preachy. Neither Civil War or Batman v Superman fit that description. It's not like either movie has some sort of important message hidden. It's all pretty common stuff. Don't judge a book by it's cover. Don't be an asshole. Take the high road. Fear is your own worst enemy. Yadda, yadda, blah, blah.
Please do enlighten us as to what that is ?
brandonh83
Banned
Not my first choice of food.
I... agree with this. I'm not a fan of BVS, but I don't think CW has "something to say" either. I simply think that CW does a better job of what it's out to do, internally, than BVS.
Whoops.
There's implied conflict, but it never feels real. It's just
we'll have A B and C superhero go along with the accords and D E and F superhero be against it. Very little reasoning is giving to any of it, just a split into 2 teams.
And pretty soon it's clear that nobody can restrain any of the superheroes.
Bucky and Capt wreak a swat team, out of nowhere theres another superhero in the Black Panther. Everyone is just fucking everyone else up again, nothings changed. The whole Accords plot boils down to Ironman going "You can't do this!" and Capt going "I have to do this!"
2 posts down, it's quoted.
I love milksteaks!
Agent_Carnage
Member
No.
DC took risks but those risks failed shittly. I.E
DC took risks but those risks failed shittly. I.E
Killing of Superman You can only do that ONCE after that you lose emotion from the death.
KOMANI
KOMANI
too bad they bring him back before the credits rolled. And in that regard, it's similar to Superman Returns
Upon third viewing, Superman Returns is the better Superman movie. Bryan Singer does an excellent job of picking shots. If you're going to make me watch a 3 hour movie, I'd rather see that one.
MulderYuffie
Member
Nope not at all
Strider_Blaze
Member
Disagreed! I though BvS had a messy story, which was not helped by the films poor editing. Doesn't mean I consider it the worst DC film (which still goes to Batman and Robin), but Civil War gives Marvel yet another point for the better film universe currently.
ToyMachine228
Member
I enjoyed BvS more. I felt that it had more problems such as pacing and cohesion but overall I was just more interested in it. Civil War was the same old thing. I don't care about Captain's old girlfriend. I don't care about Bucky at this point. He was great in Winter Soldier but I'm already sick of it. I don't care about Hydra. The whole thing felt like high production value filler. It didn't move the universe forward in any way.
- Status