Alanah Pearce Won't Stream The Last of Us 2 Due To Harassment

TheCockatrice said:
Let me give you an example. After a male streamer took a break for a month, people missed him and talked about it and after a month or so when he came back, he reached 100k viewers on twitch. A lot of streamers do this. Some for legit reasons, others for the same reason we're having this talk and you can clearly see a lot of gaf are basically noticing the same thing. I cant give you an answer why it's impossible to moderate but making alt accounts, with vpn and all is easy. Not even gaf can spot all the alts, they just spot the ones that basically make a new account and that's it.
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Even if you're right about GAF we don't live in an atmosphere of people threatening each other's lives on the regular.
 
I generally like Alanah, but I don't think she's doing the right thing here. Women in general tend to play the victim card whenever any sort of harassment pops up. They can do that without getting slammed for it a lot easier as well. Dudes are harassed more often than women, but generally they ignore it or take a break without making a big fuss about it.

She mentioned she gained a lot of subscribers because she was streaming this game. She is simply going to let all of them down, simply because a few bad apples threw some not so likable words at her. Doesn't she get that by stopping the stream, these people got exactly what they wanted?
 
Explosive Zombie said:
Even if you're right about GAF we don't live in an atmosphere of people threatening each other's lives on the regular.
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Sure but we also have a lot less members than twitch/youtube/etc. Thats why each streamer has their own mods to help them with the harrassment and whatnot. Why is she taking a break after something that happens on a daily basis to her? Now, all of a sudden? But hey, you could also be right and she probably got tired of it all. We're all just making assumptions.
 
Gashtronomy said:
Absolutely not. Removing any kind of anonymity from the internet is the reason half of this shit is taken seriously in the first place.

It's text on a screen from people acting out, get over it. And talking of brave, it's not very brave to not do something because other people don't like you doing it.

IRL they might not say to her face "you should be raped" but you can bet your arse they'll be calling her a slut behind her back
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The same text on a screen are people i know who are yourube personalities who have been doxxed and have had people threaten them knowing private information about them, i dont care if it doesnt bother you doesnt mean it cant frighten someone else.
Fuck you and
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Ascend said:
Women in general tend to play the victim card whenever any sort of harassment pops up.
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Let's be real though, it probably happens to them in a much larger quantity to them than it does male streamers.

Like I said earlier - her decision, it doesn't really matter.
 
TheCockatrice said:
Sure but we also have a lot less members than twitch/youtube/etc. Thats why each streamer has their own mods to help them with the harrassment and whatnot. Why is she taking a break after something that happens on a daily basis to her? Now, all of a sudden? But hey, you could also be right and she probably got tired of it all. We're all just making assumptions.
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You guys could be right I just didn't want to jump to the conclusion this was done in a non-legit fashion. It's hard to complain about online harassment without looking like you just want attention.
 
Saruhashi said:
Maybe.

When I was younger and the Internet was really just starting to become a household thing we would go round to my friends house (the only one of us who had Internet at home) and we'd spend all Friday night crowded round his PC giving people grief on Yahoo Chat.

You're talking about a group of 15 year old lads in Europe getting drunk on cheap cider and just saying the most horrendous shit to people.
I am NOT proud of it now and we were completely out of order sometimes but that's what we did.
We didn't mean the stuff we said. We just thought it was hilarious that we could say whatever the hell we wanted, free of consequences, and sometimes we'd get big reactions which would have us laughing our asses off.
It wasn't driven by hate or anger or anything like that. We were just really shitty kids and we egged each other on and acted like little cunts and then laughed at the responses we got.

Sorry.

The idea that these days some kids huddled round a laptop or smart phone can have influence of the entire gaming industry is ridiculous.
Causing drama and fallout and being the source of articles on mainstream outlets would have been absolute solid comedy gold for us back then.
"Holy shit! Your tweet that Star Wars should be for whites only is on the front page of Polygon. Hahahahahaha!"

So the problem is not that the messages do or do not exist.
The problem is that the messages are basically without context.
Who sent them and why?

It's like if back in the day some kids had a soundboard and were phoning up old ladies and playing clips from Gremlins or Robocop.
You'd want to find the little cunts who are doing it and give them a clip round the ear. The end.
What you wouldn't do is go to the national or even local news networks and be like "reeeeeee! Gremlins fans are so horrible and toxic and people who watch movies are just the worst!"
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You're right but I think there are differences between back then and today. People are very vocal about the impact of these things today on people's mental health and even kids get the message early on that this is not ok. Also we're in a world now where doxxing has killed. A world where a young singer was killed by a deranged fan. Things just hit different now. People *should* know better.
 
Little Chicken said:
Let's be real though, it probably happens to them in a much larger quantity to them than it does male streamers.

Like I said earlier - her decision, it doesn't really matter.
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It does not.

Overall, 44% of men and 37% of women have faced some form of online harassment. Men are somewhat more likely than women to have been called offensive names online (30% vs. 23%) or to have received physical threats (12% vs. 8%). By contrast, women – and especially young women – receive sexualized forms of online abuse at much higher rates than men. Some 21% of women ages 18 to 29 have been sexually harassed online, a figure that is more than double that of men in the same age group (9%). Further, 53% of young women say that someone has sent them explicit images they did not ask for (compared with 37% of young men).

www.pewresearch.org

Men, women experience and view online harassment differently

Among women who have experienced any form of online harassment, 35% say they found their most recent incident to be “extremely” or “very” upsetting.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
 
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Best Bout Machine said:
The same text on a screen are people i know who are yourube personalities who have been doxxed and have had people threaten them knowing private information about them, i dont care if it doesnt bother you doesnt mean it cant frighten someone else.
Fuck you and
tenor.gif
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Seems like you should be complaining to YouTube. But hey, fuck it, make every put their personal information on the internet just to post, I can't see how that would go wrong, or how the doxing (which is fucked up) will go away.

Streaming should be just like a TV show, you watch it and have 0 interaction. Half of the problem is streamers trying to goad/encourage their audience to do more or give more so they can stay on top. This leads to nutcase fans, who have always existed, to be nutcases. Don't interact with plebs and they'll be fine.

I have very little sympathy for streamers because they bring most of it on themselves.

Edit: to add, I've been called a homo, been told my mother will be fucked, killed, skull-fucked and raped, some cockney guy said he was going to come and blow my legs off with a shotgun, I should have cancer, I should be killed by a bus....Here i am.
 
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Gashtronomy said:
Seems like you should be complaining to YouTube. But hey, fuck it, make every put their personal information on the internet just to post, I can't see how that would go wrong, or how the doxing (which is fucked up) will go away.

Streaming should be just like a TV show, you watch it and have 0 interaction. Half of the problem is streamers trying to goad/encourage their audience to do more or give more so they can stay on top. This leads to nutcase fans, who have always existed, to be nutcases. Don't interact with plebs and they'll be fine.

I have very little sympathy for streamers because they bring most of it on themselves.

Edit: to add, I've been called a homo, been told my mother will be fucked, killed, skull-fucked and raped, some cockney guy said he was going to come and blow my legs off with a shotgun, I should have cancer, I should be killed by a bus....Here i am.
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Again i dont care if it doesnt bother you that doesnt mean others dont take offense. Also as much as I HATE to call twitch a job, this is also someoenes livelihood, and no one would come into my place of work and threaten me, also having zero interaction with their installbase would limit numbers and donations which these people live off of.

also how did she would she have brought this over herself? Did she offend or expose someone?
 
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5 pages? Really?

She should have made it up or maybe she was actually scared of some rando in internet posting shit (because it's internet?), yet there's people way to commited to insult her and people way too commited to defend her, all based on assumptions LMAO.
 
Best Bout Machine said:
Again i dont care if it doesnt bother you that doesnt mean others dont take offense. Also as much as I HATE to call twitch a job, this is also someoenes livelihood, and no one would come into my place of work and threaten me, also having zero interaction with their installbase would limit numbers and donations which these people live off of.

also how did she would she have brought this over herself? Did she offend or expose someone?
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I'll be that guy, they should look for an alternate career if things aren't working out. Hell, i'm sure you hate cleaning up shit from the toilets at McDonalds and you don't complain about your job (That was a joke, don't dox me)

Maybe there could be a middle-man or 3rd party between streamers and the audience? Some kind of virtual bouncers. I don't know how it would work, Maybe selective interactment like a book signing or film premier, where the streamers do an AMA once a month/week/quarter.

Yes, these people shouldn't have to put up with shit, unfortunately it's part and parcel of being a recognised face. Dawkins, Trump, Peterson, Fry, Brown...loads of people from all walks of life get shit, just for being famous. That's just part of the job.
 
Hypereides said:
There are asshols everywhere. Thankfully, these people do not represent the majority of the community.
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Just the minority of the community that feel the same way he does , speak the loudest on the internet groups like Neogaf, Reddit , Twitch Chat , Youtube Chat , Etc.
 
Gashtronomy said:
I'll be that guy, they should look for an alternate career if things aren't working out. Hell, i'm sure you hate cleaning up shit from the toilets at McDonalds and you don't complain about your job (That was a joke, don't dox me)

Maybe there could be a middle-man or 3rd party between streamers and the audience? Some kind of virtual bouncers. I don't know how it would work, Maybe selective interactment like a book signing or film premier, where the streamers do an AMA once a month/week/quarter.

Yes, these people shouldn't have to put up with shit, unfortunately it's part and parcel of being a recognised face. Dawkins, Trump, Peterson, Fry, Brown...loads of people from all walks of life get shit, just for being famous. That's just part of the job.
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So if someone is being harassed they have to leave their job?
Thats like saying if someone is getting bullied at school kid getting bullied should leave instead of the bully being kicked out, what kind of bullshit is that? Why punish the victim?
 
Best Bout Machine said:
So if someone is being harassed they have to leave their job?
Thats like saying if someone is getting bullied at school kid getting bullied should leave instead of the bully being kicked out, what kind of bullshit is that? Why punish the victim?
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She is choosing to do this. Not anyone else.

She can easily block or mute them, but instead she ran to Twitter to cry? She is not a child being bullied, she is a grown woman manipulating people like you
 
Ascend said:
It does not.

Overall, 44% of men and 37% of women have faced some form of online harassment. Men are somewhat more likely than women to have been called offensive names online (30% vs. 23%) or to have received physical threats (12% vs. 8%). By contrast, women – and especially young women – receive sexualized forms of online abuse at much higher rates than men. Some 21% of women ages 18 to 29 have been sexually harassed online, a figure that is more than double that of men in the same age group (9%). Further, 53% of young women say that someone has sent them explicit images they did not ask for (compared with 37% of young men).

www.pewresearch.org

Men, women experience and view online harassment differently

Among women who have experienced any form of online harassment, 35% say they found their most recent incident to be “extremely” or “very” upsetting.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
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Interesting stats and I'm more than happy to be corrected.
 
Ascend said:
It does not.

Overall, 44% of men and 37% of women have faced some form of online harassment. Men are somewhat more likely than women to have been called offensive names online (30% vs. 23%) or to have received physical threats (12% vs. 8%). By contrast, women – and especially young women – receive sexualized forms of online abuse at much higher rates than men. Some 21% of women ages 18 to 29 have been sexually harassed online, a figure that is more than double that of men in the same age group (9%). Further, 53% of young women say that someone has sent them explicit images they did not ask for (compared with 37% of young men).

www.pewresearch.org

Men, women experience and view online harassment differently

Among women who have experienced any form of online harassment, 35% say they found their most recent incident to be “extremely” or “very” upsetting.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
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You just gonna pretend the second part of that quote doesn't exist?
 
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Best Bout Machine said:
So if someone is being harassed they have to leave their job?
Thats like saying if someone is getting bullied at school kid getting bullied should leave instead of the bully being kicked out, what kind of bullshit is that? Why punish the victim?
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It sounds harsh, but it does come down to weighing up the options, like in any job. If the negatives outweigh the positives then yeah, ultimately it's time to find something else. That's life.

Otherwise we move towards punishing people for an opinion. I'm not on the side of the cumstained neck-beards who are sending her death threats, that's wrong, simple as. On the grand scheme of things what % of death threats are feedback?

Like I say, until we come up with a system to 'weed' out the idiots, without going full demolition man, this is just a Job Hazard.
 
Ascend said:
If I was ignoring it I wouldn't have quoted it at all.
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OK... but your point is kind of invalid then, because even if "on average" men get called bad names, women, by far, receive more sexual-based attacks. Which is a lot worse than me just calling you a piece of shit or whatever.

For example, 35% of women who have experienced any form of online harassment say they found their most recent incident to be "extremely" or "very" upsetting, more than twice the share among men who have been targeted online (16%).
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Get it?
 
The kind of people who threaten a pretty girl for streaming a game with lesbians in it deserve to be tarred and feathered.

Good for Alanah. She doesn't owe anyone shit.
 
I'm so sick and tired that I really don't care for these fragile ppl anymore.

Internet is mean, but if you want to "work" on it, you need to be mean too.
 
Horatius said:
unless you for some reason think they're actual credible threats and not someone just saying some hateful shit
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I kind of agree with this. I've received insults and death threats too. Hell, as anyone ever who played online games NOT received them?

Still, they're pieces of shit and not to be excused.


Best Bout Machine said:
Social media should require using your real name and sin number so if you do stupid shit like this you can be caught out in the open.
Lets see how brave they would be then.
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Yeah, that's a really stupid dystopic idea. Also puts victims in an even weaker position.
 
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Gashtronomy said:
Seems like you should be complaining to YouTube. But hey, fuck it, make every put their personal information on the internet just to post, I can't see how that would go wrong, or how the doxing (which is fucked up) will go away.

Streaming should be just like a TV show, you watch it and have 0 interaction. Half of the problem is streamers trying to goad/encourage their audience to do more or give more so they can stay on top. This leads to nutcase fans, who have always existed, to be nutcases. Don't interact with plebs and they'll be fine.

I have very little sympathy for streamers because they bring most of it on themselves.

Edit: to add, I've been called a homo, been told my mother will be fucked, killed, skull-fucked and raped, some cockney guy said he was going to come and blow my legs off with a shotgun, I should have cancer, I should be killed by a bus....Here i am.
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According to Hunt Showdown player base, I sucked enough coks to rival the Milton sisters
 
I can't believe some of the views expressed towards women in this thread and Gaf in general lately.

Don't any of you have mothers or sisters?
 
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When is everyone going to realize these are trolls and we need to stop giving in to them?

I like alanah but i feel this isn't the right approach.
 
I always wonder what type of sad pathetic looser spends his time harassing people over silly shit like this. How sad must your life be to get this upset about a game or movie?

On the other hand thought, shit like this has long been a part of the internet and I can't think of any effective way to really make it go away. If you decide to go into online entertainment as your line of work you need to develop a thicker skin for this sort of stuff. Otherwise it's like, I don't know, taking a job as a night club bouncer and then being emotionally affected every time someone isn't nice to you.
 
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Digity said:
This is the same woman who once said on an IGN podcast that she played through Metal Gear Rising without parrying because some guy on the internet said there was no parry system in the game. Clearly she takes things people say on the internet pretty serious.
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There is no tutorial in the game for parry or what?
 
Gashtronomy said:
It sounds harsh, but it does come down to weighing up the options, like in any job. If the negatives outweigh the positives then yeah, ultimately it's time to find something else. That's life.

Otherwise we move towards punishing people for an opinion. I'm not on the side of the cumstained neck-beards who are sending her death threats, that's wrong, simple as. On the grand scheme of things what % of death threats are feedback?

Like I say, until we come up with a system to 'weed' out the idiots, without going full demolition man, this is just a Job Hazard.
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How is hoping someone gets raped an opinion...?
 
I'd ask "who," but there always seems to be some snarky jackass that gets offended when you haven't heard of some random internet person.
 
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