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[geordiemp]

So,

Local Ray is an Israel company who have allot fo patents on doing Ray tracing using lesss power. It is cross playform but there is information it has been taken up by one of the console manufacturers, to what extent we dont know. I am sure there are some surprises coming.

Reading up on it a little, I understand it does the procedure in reverse and I am assuming the local refers to an offset local co ordinate meaning that the engine can use half precision FP16, so you get can get much more performance. I am sure there are allot of other tricks in the 30 odd patents.

CS2020 demo - spiderman seen at 9 seconds.



New york demo pictures

So, the information and pictures would suggest this is Sony as they have recently seemed to acquire spiderman in recent games, such as spiderman, miles morales and the upcoming avengers all exclusive.....and the images are quite clear and set in same as the Insomniac game.

This would mean we are in for a treat next gen with ray tracing.

 

[geordiemp]

Inputs from VFXVeteran would be nice, its his scene.

 

[CrysisFreak]

Super interesting ngl!

 

[Mister Wolf]

So,

Local Ray is an Israel company who have allot fo patents on doing Ray tracing using lesss power. It is cross playform but there is information it has been taken up by one of the console manufacturers, to what extent we dont know. I am sure there are some surprises coming.

Reading up on it a little, I understand it does the procedure in reverse and I am assuming the local refers to an offset local co ordinate meaning that the engine can use half precision FP16, so you get can get much more performance. I am sure there are allot of other tricks in the 30 odd patents.

CS2020 demo - spiderman seen at 9 seconds.



New york demo pictures

So, the information and pictures would suggest this is Sony as they have rights to Spiderman, and the images are quite clear.

This would mean we are in for a treat next gen with ray tracing.

Sony does not have the rights to Spiderman.

 

[geordiemp]

Super interesting ngl!

Found another "preview"

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Sony does not have the rights to Spiderman.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Very saucy!

Im not really seeing how Sony using this on miles morales came about though.

 

[geordiemp]

Sony does not have the rights to Spiderman.

Sony does not have the rights to Spiderman.

Ok I edited, Sony still have exclusive game sthat came out = recent spiderman, miles morales and avengers games, so it is likely the console manufacturer mentioned is Sony at a wild wild guess.

 

[eastwood333]

Both consoles will be able to do limited Ray Tracing at best on AAA games, especially open world without cut backs in resolution, framerate, and all sorts of other graphical effects. It's just too demanding. People should temper their expectations. However, i do expect the more powerful console to be more ray tracing capable as is expected.

 

[CrysisFreak]

If they use this local ray algorithm (or whatever it really is), possibly implemented in hardware idk, to significantly increase RT performance they'd have a game changer on their hands.
It's all just speculation though.

 

[eastwood333]

Both consoles will be able to do limited Ray Tracing at best on AAA games, especially open world without cut backs in resolution, framerate, and all sorts of other graphical effects. It's just too demanding. People should temper their expectations. However, i do expect the more powerful console to be more ray tracing capable as is expected.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Both consoles will do limited raytracing . Don't expect to play your next gen games On a fucking mirror with reflections everywhere

 

[geordiemp]

Both consoles will be able to do limited Ray Tracing at best on AAA games, especially open world without cut backs in resolution, framerate, and all sorts of other graphical effects. It's just too demanding. People should temper their expectations. However, i do expect the more powerful console to be more ray tracing capable as is expected.

1,2 3 the trolls appear

The thread is about LocalRay not how powerful you think your beloved box is. One day when we see a game actually running on XSX that is not Halo, You can discuss how well XSX runs games.

Mod of War cant we even have a thread about Local Ray and new pictures of spiderman without constaint trolling, its insufferable. 3 trolls E eastwood333 MrFunSocks and DeeDogg_ all came in to troll and trigger all posts. FFS.

 

[Mister Wolf]

They aren't the only one that figured out how to cut the cost for reflections:

Crytek Announces Release Date for Crysis Remastered

PC, Xbox One, and PlayStation 4 to release on September 18th, 2020

www.crytek.com

"For the first time a Crytek game will feature ray tracing on Xbox One X and PlayStation 4 Pro powered by CRYENGINE's proprietary software based ray tracing solution. "

 

[eastwood333]

They aren't the only one that figured out how to cut the cost for reflections:

Crytek Announces Release Date for Crysis Remastered

PC, Xbox One, and PlayStation 4 to release on September 18th, 2020

www.crytek.com

"For the first time a Crytek game will feature ray tracing on Xbox One X and PlayStation 4 Pro powered by CRYENGINE's proprietary software based ray tracing solution. "

I saw that. Surprised nobody created a thread about it. Very interested in seeing this in action.

 

[longdi]

Both consoles will be able to do limited Ray Tracing at best on AAA games, especially open world without cut backs in resolution, framerate, and all sorts of other graphical effects. It's just too demanding. People should temper their expectations. However, i do expect the more powerful console to be more ray tracing capable as is expected.

makes sense, if it is software work around, and most if not all consoles developers WILL approach RT via such workaround.

the more powerful console will still do it better. i dont see the big deal.

 

[Rien]

Both consoles will be able to do limited Ray Tracing at best on AAA games, especially open world without cut backs in resolution, framerate, and all sorts of other graphical effects. It's just too demanding. People should temper their expectations. However, i do expect the more powerful console to be more ray tracing capable as is

Are you really this insecure?

 

[geordiemp]

They aren't the only one that figured out how to cut the cost for reflections:

Crytek Announces Release Date for Crysis Remastered

PC, Xbox One, and PlayStation 4 to release on September 18th, 2020

www.crytek.com

"For the first time a Crytek game will feature ray tracing on Xbox One X and PlayStation 4 Pro powered by CRYENGINE's proprietary software based ray tracing solution. "

So go and make a thread about it then. Crytek are masters of voxels so it will be interesting what engines employ next gen for sure.

 

[eastwood333]

Are you really this insecure?

I mean, if you get that upset of me stating a simple fact, maybe you should be asking yourself that question?

 

[CrysisFreak]

Both consoles will be able to do limited Ray Tracing at best on AAA games, especially open world without cut backs in resolution, framerate, and all sorts of other graphical effects. It's just too demanding. People should temper their expectations. However, i do expect the more powerful console to be more ray tracing capable as is expected.

makes sense, if it is software work around, and most if not all consoles developers WILL approach RT via such workaround.

the more powerful console will still do it better. i dont see the big deal.

Oh my god this thread can be closed now thanks to your input
/s

 

[sircaw]

Both consoles will be able to do limited Ray Tracing at best on AAA games, especially open world without cut backs in resolution, framerate, and all sorts of other graphical effects. It's just too demanding. People should temper their expectations. However, i do expect the more powerful console to be more ray tracing capable as is expected.

what is it with you, a discussion about something interesting and you're straight in here doing your usual bullshit.

do you ever stop?

 

[MrFunSocks]

Took all of 10 posts for OP to start with the Craig memes as usual. Good work! Guess we're over Tempest now and onto this!

 

[eastwood333]

what is it with you, a discussion about something interesting and you're straight in here doing your usual bullshit.

do you ever stop?

Stating both consoles with have limited Ray Tracing and that the more powerful console should be more capable of ray tracing is not controversial.

 

[sircaw]

Stating both consoles with have limited Ray Tracing and that the more powerful console should be more capable of ray tracing is not controversial.

you know what your doing , stop your fucking bullshit

 

[danielJackson]

I mean, if you get that upset of me stating a simple fact, maybe you should be asking yourself that question?

Well you are the one crying about xbox in every thread that have nothing to do with xbox.

You are like the 7y old kid that have to say "bbbut my dad lifts more!"

Actually no, that kid is less annoying.

This is Sony thread about promising theory for good RT, spiderman looks nice.

 

[Handy Fake]

Took all of 10 posts for OP to start with the Craig memes as usual. Good work! Guess we're over Tempest now and onto this!

Took all of 9 posts for the Xbox trolling to start.

 

[Rea]

More powerful doesn't means better, Xbox 1 x is more powerful than ps4 pro but it can't run Ghost of Tsushima or TLOU2. Similarly, if this ray tracing tech is owned by sony, xbox can't use that. It's simple as that.

 

[sircaw]

I will say this the effects on that first video, when the lights go on and off, it is so beautiful.

damn, next generation is going to be so amazing, these effects are really going to SHINE.

 

[FranXico]

Might be interesting if a smart combination of hardware and shaders-based software ends up getting the job done on consoles, but I just don't see enough evidence.

Also, "Of course, it will be better on the more powerful console. Don't forget Xbox >>> PS5!! LULZ"

Ok?

 

[dimaveshkin]

Spider-Man is not enough to prove any ties with Sony IMO.

 

[geordiemp]

Spider-Man is not enough to prove any ties with Sony IMO.

So a spiderman in game character set in new york in 2020, must be Nintendo then thats logical.

 

[FranXico]

More powerful doesn't means better, Xbox 1 x is more powerful than ps4 pro but it can't run Ghost of Tsushima or TLOU2. Similarly, if this ray tracing tech is owned by sony, xbox can't use that. It's simple as that.

It's a win-win, actually. Either it's not in which case they gloat that the premise of the OP was wrong. Or it is, in which case they gloat that this proves that the PS5 can't do hardware RT, therefore it's just RDNA1, etc., etc.

Edit: in reality, it wouldn't mean anything about the hardware, obviously.

 

[Rea]

Spider-Man is not enough to prove any ties with Sony IMO.

Then why would they choose Spider-Man when there is so many marvel heroes out there? His power isn't even related to ray tracing.

 

[FranXico]

Then why would they choose Spider-Man when there is so many marvel heroes out there? His power isn't even related to ray tracing.

Iron Man would have been a more obvious choice to show off Ray Tracing IMHO.

 

[Chankoras]

Stating both consoles with have limited Ray Tracing and that the more powerful console should be more capable of ray tracing is not controversial.

Lol, irrelevant point that has been discussed numerous times, but if course you have fuel the console wars.

 

[geordiemp]

Then why would they choose Spider-Man when there is so many marvel heroes out there? His power isn't even related to ray tracing.

And in new york in 2020 which is associated with Sony, with 3 games now, Sony must have some agreement with Marvel (3 games and films) lol

I doubt LOcalRay went direct to Marvel and paid to use spiderman in a demo on Ray Tracing.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

what is it with you, a discussion about something interesting and you're straight in here doing your usual bullshit.

do you ever stop?

The forum has become insufferable. Every thread is about console wars, and if it wasn't started as such, it will become as such. And since trolls ruin xbox threads and sony threads alike, fans of both consoles end up doing retaliatory troll runs.

 

[DeeDogg_]

1,2 3 the trolls appear

The thread is about LocalRay not how powerful you think your beloved box is. One day when we see a game actually running on XSX that is not Halo, You can discuss how well XSX runs games.

Mod of War cant we even have a thread about Local Ray and new pictures of spiderman without constaint trolling, its insufferable. 3 trolls E eastwood333 MrFunSocks and DeeDogg_ all came in to troll and trigger all posts. FFS.

There's no need to be upset

 

[Mistershine.]

Took all of 9 posts for the Xbox trolling to start.

Think yourself lucky, it's normally 1/3 of that in the xbox threads.

 

[JonnyMP3]

So,

Local Ray is an Israel company who have allot fo patents on doing Ray tracing using lesss power. It is cross playform but there is information it has been taken up by one of the console manufacturers, to what extent we dont know. I am sure there are some surprises coming.

Reading up on it a little, I understand it does the procedure in reverse and I am assuming the local refers to an offset local co ordinate meaning that the engine can use half precision FP16, so you get can get much more performance. I am sure there are allot of other tricks in the 30 odd patents.

CS2020 demo - spiderman seen at 9 seconds.



New york demo pictures

So, the information and pictures would suggest this is Sony as they have recently seemed to acquire spiderman in recent games, such as spiderman, miles morales and the upcoming avengers all exclusive.....and the images are quite clear and set in same as the Insomniac game.

This would mean we are in for a treat next gen with ray tracing.

I'm sorry... But can people just confirm this video for me from the same channel??? It's a Sunday.

Is that RT on a fucking SMARTPHONE?
Fuck your tensor cores!

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

Then why would they choose Spider-Man when there is so many marvel heroes out there? His power isn't even related to ray tracing.

Spiderman has been with Sony since the ps2, in games, exclusives, on the ps3 itself.

 

[geordiemp]

So trying to ignore the xbox trolls has anyone read up on the LocalRay patents and what they do.

I read the following on how to do FP16 while using an offset on co ordinates for the BVH

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d70e/6206ed00e13aa95e8d258afd491b1b3f1c5d.pdf

 

[dimaveshkin]

So a spiderman in game character set in new york in 2020, must be Nintendo then thats logical.

I am not saying it is not suspicious, but this fact alone doesn't proof anything. If it was accompanied with some kind of law, document, rule etc which will show that it is possible only because of deal with Sony, it would be undeniable. There are a lot of unofficial videos on YouTube featuring Spider-man (especially in kids section). Why couldn't it be just another case of fair use? All i am saying is there might be less interesting reason.

 

[sircaw]

The forum has become insufferable. Every thread is about console wars, and if it wasn't started as such, it will become as such. And since trolls ruin xbox threads and sony threads alike, fans of both consoles end up doing retaliatory troll runs.

It's just so annoying, we have been staved off these kinds of interesting things for so long now, That eastwood dude is always complaining about sony people trolling and he is always fucking doing it himself.

He just came back from a ban and he is at it straight again.

He knows what he is doing and then tries to act all innocent.

 

[geordiemp]

I am not saying it is not suspicious, but this fact alone doesn't proof anything. If it was accompanied with some kind of law, document, rule etc which will show that it is possible only because of deal with Sony, it would be undeniable. There are a lot of unofficial videos on YouTube featuring Spider-man (especially in kids section). Why couldn't it be just another case of fair use? All i am saying is there might be less interesting reason.

Because the LocalRay company thermselves have announced they have a deal witha major console manufacturer and a major phone manufacturer that is under NDA.

So you have to work out if its Sony, Nintendo, MS in console space.

Difficult one really, I will have to do some 2 tailed statistical T-tests to work out the probability of the null hyportesis.

 

[Endless Fluff]

Sony as well as Microsoft have hardware for RT. Why the hell would they need to use a software based solution that can't take advantage of the hardware, especially when it needs to be fully integrated into the engine (according to the developers)?
Sony and MS have their own APIs for RT, hence I don't see why Sony would buy this. The big AAA studios will most likely make their own software solution if they ever need to. I don't see this being integrated into Decima for example.

Spiderman has been with Sony since the ps2, in games, exclusives, on the ps3 itself.

Spider-Man was on the N64, Gamecube, WiiU, original Xbox, Xbox 360 and also Xbox One. And yes, I'm talking about the actual Spider-Man games, not a beat em up. Spider-Man was with ALL of the consoles up until Spider-Man 2018.

 

[dimaveshkin]

Because the LocalRay company thermselves have announced they have a deal witha major console manufacturer and a major phone manufacturer that is under NDA.

So you have to work out if its Sony, Nintendo, MS in console space.

Difficult one really, I will have to do some 2 tailed statistical T-tests to work out the probability of the null hyportesis.

Oh, I am blind. I somehow overlooked the fact they claimed to work with major console manufacturer.

 

[JonnyMP3]

It's just so annoying, we have been staved off these kinds of interesting things for so long now, That eastwood dude is always complaining about sony people trolling and he is always fucking doing it himself.

He just came back from a ban and he is at it straight again.

He knows what he is doing and then tries to act all innocent.

And he's now finally clocked a perm!

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

Sony as well as Microsoft have hardware for RT. Why the hell would they need to use a software based solution that can't take advantage of the hardware, especially when it needs to be fully integrated into the engine (according to the developers)?
Sony and MS have their own APIs for RT, hence I don't see why Sony would buy this. The big AAA studios will most likely make their own software solution if they ever need to. I don't see this being integrated into Decima for example.


Spider-Man was on the N64, Gamecube, WiiU, original Xbox, Xbox 360 and also Xbox One. And yes, I'm talking about the actual Spider-Man games, not a beat em up. Spider-Man was with ALL of the consoles up until Spider-Man 2018.

That's not what i say.
Spiderman was used for the PS2/PS3 promotions by Sony and the fronts on PS3 are said to be based on Spiderman. Are you trolling or what?

 

[sircaw]

And he's now finally clocked a perm!

the guy has been warned so many times, it like he wanted to get banned or something.

He adds nothing of value to this community, no technical stuff, no fun, no good banter just trying to ruin other people's fun for no reason.