Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
So to be a flag ship of ray tracing you want to drop all of it for the 60fps mode? What is even the point then?
Are PS5 exclusives the flag bearers of Ray-Tracing this generation?
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So to be a flag ship of ray tracing you want to drop all of it for the 60fps mode? What is even the point then?
Neofire
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I'm almost certain the OP meant next console generation. Should be a given PC is in a class of it's own....
FranXico
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Look at you being passive aggressivly negative about ps . How unusual. Its a joke at this point reading ur posts.
Agnostic2020
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Lol who are u kidding. I have seen ur post and everytime I brough up this point to you that how drastically ur posts are different between ps threads and xbox threads. Stop trying to put the neutral facade as its not working bud .
And talking about 1st party buggy messy unfinished games, did u as a xbox fan need to go there??
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
search my post big guy, my Most Xbox positive post recently is I'd rather have the Xbox fridge then the console.
But carry on.
MasterCornholio
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The point of 60FPS?
I mean you game at 120FPs so you should know that a higher framerate leads to smoother gameplay and response times. People who want all the bells and whistles have the option to play with them at 30FPs.
Anyways you keep forgetting that this is a console and not a PC.
Dr.Morris79
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People who hate cats weird me the fuck out.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
The point of 60FPS?
I mean you game at 120FPs so you should know that a higher framerate leads to smoother gameplay and response times. People who want all the bells and whistles have the option to play with them at 30FPs.
Anyways you keep forgetting that this is a console and not a PC.
No what's the point of being the Flag Ship of ray tracing if you have to turn it off to get to the 60fps mode you brought up. You know the topic of this thread.
SupremeHoodie
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Ray tracing is extremely demanding and I don't see the ps5 (also the Xbox) showcasing the full capabilities of it without struggling in performance.
geordiemp
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He is just playing into being a fish like in the avatar
SupremeHoodie
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These consoles will only take parts of ray tracing (mainly certain lighting in parts of the map), similar to how cyberpunk will have ray tracing for the sky. But to use the full capabilities of the technology like OP is claiming, it won't be possible unless people like sub 30 FPS gameplay.
2080ti pc rigs lose half their frames (many times more than that) with ray tracing on and neither console is as strong as a 2080ti.
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BlueXImpulse
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Why is Warnen still pretending to be neutral?
MasterCornholio
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Because you can still have ray tracing at 30FPs which is perfectly fine for many people.
You know it's still a console right?
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I don't even know why you respond to me when eventually you post the same thing you originally questioned me on.
Thanks I guess?
Tripolygon
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Yes they are. Almost all PS5 exclusive seems to have some form of raytracing. Which is pretty cool to see their development software mature enough for them to adopt it early and extensively in some of their games.
dano1
A Sheep
This post isn't about pc! And do you know why? Because 95 % of PC s don't have raytracing and a bunch of other advanced technology that 100% of the new systems have!!
Self
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To be fair PS5/XSX easily outclass the vast majority of PC's. I doubt many PC gamers have ever seen raytracing apart from YouTube streams.
MasterCornholio
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Looks pretty nice to me.
geordiemp
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Try watching the video first maybe ?
MasterCornholio
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Ray tracing is still resource intensive on these systems so sacrifices will have to be made to incorporate. Same thing with enabling it on a PC.
MasterCornholio
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
The generation hasn't started... jesus lol
dano1
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I hope you don't get too disappointed when you find out these movies were bull shots.
Ascend
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This was back in March;
And before you bring out the "but that's just Minecraft" excuse, I'll be leaving this here...;
Battlefield 5 and Wolfenstein Youngblood use ray tracing for reflections only; Metro Exodus uses ray tracing for global illumination; and Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare focus their ray tracing efforts on, predictably for the former, shadows. Only two recent games have gone further. Control uses ray tracing for reflections, contact shadows and diffused lighting, while Deliver Us the Moon uses ray tracing for reflections and shadows.
Compare that with Quake II RTX and Minecraft RTX, where you get ray tracing for reflections, shadows, global illumination, refraction, ambient occlusion, emissive lighting, atmospheric effects and more. That's a lot more rays,
Minecraft RTX GPUs Benchmarked: Which Runs It Best in 2023?
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You must work for Microsoft
Well he's right. Even beefed pcs takes a heavy fps hit when running Ray tracing.
Atm it's not really worth it performance wise.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Is that even gameplay? Looks like a cut-scene.
Looks pretty nice to me.
What movies?
Md Ray
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CatLady
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Ascend
What's so funny about that post? It's true. Series X has higher compute FLOPs but other parts of the GPU are faster on PS5.
Series X and PS5 - both have 64 render output units.
It's 64 ROPs * 1825 = 116.8
"116 Gpix/sec" as confirmed by MS themselves
Do the same calc for PS5 - you get 142.7 Gpix/sec - 22% uplift in pixel fillrate over XSX due to faster ROPs!
Bonus:
The one next to pixel fillrate is the rasterization rate (7.3 Gtri/sec). There are 4 primitive units on the SX. So, 4 * 1825 = 7.3
AFAIK, AMD seems to be using 4 primitive units from GCN 2 (290/290X) to GCN 4 (Polaris) up until RDNA 2. So PS5 must also be using the same amount of primitive units. On PS5, this would be 8.92 Gtri/sec - again, a 22% uplift. Apart from this, the caches in PS5's GPU should be 20%+ faster too.
TL;DR:
XBOX Series X: 12 TFLOPS, 560 GB/sec, 7.3 Gtri/sec, 116 Gpix/sec
PlayStation 5: 10.3 TFLOPS, 448 GB/sec, 8.92 Gtri/sec, 142.7 Gpix/sec
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You could easily see ratchet and clank was cgi. I saw the gameplay trailer,i can't remember exactly where, but where ratchet sees a boss or something it's really clear it was a scripted sequence. The hud was fake for a second.
Husky
THE Prey 2 fanatic
95% of PCs aren't gaming PCs.
Consoles are always pretty advanced when they come out, but even before release, top-end gaming PCs will outmatch them. Within a year, most enthusiastic PC gamers are gonna have builds that the 9th-gen consoles don't compare to.
I don't get "this post isn't about PC." Read the OP, it's a question about whether or not PS5 will be the flagbearer of raytracing. And it won't, because PC has superior raytracing abilities. I ain't platform warring, I like PlayStations, I'm just stating facts.
LOL I thought you was being serious
dano1
A Sheep
I would say it's useful now! Not all games need to run at 60fps! I have a newer 4K tv and personally I would rather have the fancy graphics at a steady 30 FPS And the good news you get a choice on a lot of games. And obviously the next batch of games will be even better!!
MasterCornholio
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SupremeHoodie
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I dont think you know what ray tracing is. ✌
Esppiral
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You have been lying people for months? Isn't that considered trolling or something?
What's so funny about that post? It's true. Series X has higher compute FLOPs but other parts of the GPU are faster on PS5.
Series X and PS5 - both have 64 render output units.
It's 64 ROPs * 1825 = 116.8
"116 Gpix/sec" as confirmed by MS themselves
Do the same calc for PS5 - you get 142.7 Gpix/sec - 22% uplift in pixel fillrate over XSX due to faster ROPs!
Bonus:
The one next to pixel fillrate is the rasterization rate (7.3 Gtri/sec). There are 4 primitive units on the SX. So, 4 * 1825 = 7.3
AFAIK, AMD seems to be using 4 primitive units from GCN 2 (290/290X) to GCN 4 (Polaris) up until RDNA 2. So PS5 must also be using the same amount of primitive units. On PS5, this would be 8.92 Gtri/sec - again, a 22% uplift. Apart from this, the caches in PS5's GPU should be 20%+ faster too.
TL;DR:
XBOX Series X: 12 TFLOPS, 560 GB/sec, 7.3 Gtri/sec, 116 Gpix/sec
PlayStation 5: 10.3 TFLOPS, 448 GB/sec, 8.92 Gtri/sec, 142.7 Gpix/sec
It's crazy how people would rather look at one number & call it a day lol
Look up
geordiemp
Member
And the ad hominem, why do people make it personal, is it lack of courtesy or just lack of IQ ?
I am just ignoring the baiters and trolls now. Ignored.
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dano1
A Sheep
The headline stated for THIS generation. PCs don't have generations.
That why I figured it was for console.
That said everything you said is 100% true!
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
60 fps is before it's starting getting painful. Most optimal is 120+ fps
SupremeHoodie
Member
You aren't really discussing anything. You first sent me a link. I watch the video and then get back to you about why there will be limitations. You quip back at me telling me I should watch the video...
Learn how to conduct a conversation first.
No, the PS5's Ray Tracing will be somewhat unoptimised as it's based on AMD's early implementation of the technology, which might be the PS5's Achilles heel for its lifespan. While the RTX30 series are, according to nVidia, 2x more optimised for Ray Tracing than the 20 series. Plus, coupled with DLSS 2.0, the 30 series will be able to render as low as 1080p then AI upscale to 4K with little detail loss/improvement over native 4K in some areas, and be able to use Ray Tracing to its fullest with other post effects.
alabtrosMyster
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I have seen that "excuse" a couple of times,the difference for RT is theoretically the same as for any rendering mode (around 18%).
MS has to stop giving lame excuses, telling us to wait one more year for games, graphics, frame rate, etc. This is seriously lame... Literally the same thing since at least 2013!
CobraAB
Member
Of course. You can easily throw more silicon at the problem with a PC.
Don't have to hit a $400-500 price point like consoles do.
alabtrosMyster
Member
Anything can be argued, obviously arguments can be very wrong too.
Ascend
Member
It's funny to me, because everything was degraded to just TFLOPS and fill rate. It looks like wordplay to simply not admit that the XSX appears to be stronger.
What's so funny about that post? It's true. Series X has higher compute FLOPs but other parts of the GPU are faster on PS5.
Series X and PS5 - both have 64 render output units.
It's 64 ROPs * 1825 = 116.8
"116 Gpix/sec" as confirmed by MS themselves
Do the same calc for PS5 - you get 142.7 Gpix/sec - 22% uplift in pixel fillrate over XSX due to faster ROPs!
Bonus:
The one next to pixel fillrate is the rasterization rate (7.3 Gtri/sec). There are 4 primitive units on the SX. So, 4 * 1825 = 7.3
AFAIK, AMD seems to be using 4 primitive units from GCN 2 (290/290X) to GCN 4 (Polaris) up until RDNA 2. So PS5 must also be using the same amount of primitive units. On PS5, this would be 8.92 Gtri/sec - again, a 22% uplift. Apart from this, the caches in PS5's GPU should be 20%+ faster too.
TL;DR:
XBOX Series X: 12 TFLOPS, 560 GB/sec, 7.3 Gtri/sec, 116 Gpix/sec
PlayStation 5: 10.3 TFLOPS, 448 GB/sec, 8.92 Gtri/sec, 142.7 Gpix/sec
You can have a higher fill rate, but you still can't discount the higher bandwidth and the higher amount of CUs.
In reality it's not even going to matter that much. But the console wars must go on, right...?
And it was even more funny to me when I mentioned that neither will be great at ray tracing but that the XSX will likely have the advantage, and I get a reply from the person saying that I say that without proof... Just a reminder... ROP stands for RASTER operations pipeline. The XSX will have the advantage in RT because of its CUs. The faster pixel output of the PS5 will not help with this, because the ROP will only come into play after the RT operations have already taken place. The PS5 might get better post processing or anti-aliasing techniques. That is assuming that the XSX will hit a limit in its pixel output, which realistically is quite possible.
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